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Started by LilyoftheValley, September 10, 2012, 06:57:08 PM

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Snowpaw

Quote from: DianaP on September 13, 2012, 04:08:26 PM
Both parties suck.... No politician seems to have their own opinions anymore, nor do they actually put their country before their politics....

This, sooooo much this. Too much pandering for votes, not enough actual change.
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LilyoftheValley

A little off of my original topic but just wanted to bring up the whole food shortage thing and the drought this year that was mentioned. i know everywhere else might not be looking good but i was in my home land of North Dakota (a very large contributer to US agriculture), the whole summer, you should see the crops they are looking beautiful, the corn was 10 feet tall by july 4 (there used to be a saying "knee high by july". And wheat harvest started before July even was over, which is pretty much unheard of around there.
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Jamie D

Climates change.

Climates change constantly.

There is no such thing as climate equilibrium.
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Snowpaw

Yeah droughts have been bad all over from what I understand.
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tekla

There are critical differences between the two choices, many of them stark.  Should Romney win and with the help of Congress trash the beginnings of a real national health plan it will be several decades or more before you'd ever see anything even remotely like it come up again.  Insurance rates would rise drastically, and just about any payout would be forfeit for some 'pre-existing condition.'  Coverage for transition, sure if you're a hot-shot executive with a gold plated policy, for regular people, never.  The war in Afghanistan would be ramped up, new wars in Syria, Iran and perhaps even confrontations with Russia would come on-line - the monetary outlay would gut most domestic federal programs.  Gay and transgender issues would not even receive a hearing, much less any action.  Voting would become harder for a lot of people.  Unregulated business and corporate power would grow, and in combination with enhanced states rights would prove to be very bad for the poorer states, and what's funny (in it's own way) is those are going to be the states that vote for Romney.  Really, if you put it to a popular referendum (particularly in the bitterness that would follow such an election) would New York or California vote to send money to Mississippi, or Dakota?  Nope, they would be on their own.  Hell many parts of the US are damn close to being Third World as it it, but this would complete it.  But just think how much more cheep plastic stuff you could get at WallMart when the people in Mississippi would get to work for lower wages then China. So the poor would get radically poorer even faster, while the rich would do very, very well.  Perhaps they might Tinkle Down on some on you. 

And, mostly, once the few people like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers buy the country cheep the cost to get it back would be most dear, if it could be done at all.  It is slightly humorous to note thought that the first causality of the Citizens United decision was the the Republican Party itself.

Luckily they are running the most incomplete campaigns I've ever seen and it's fast slipping out of their grasp.  Hope that in their idiocy of trying ban contraceptives from women, trying to make some forms of rape OK, race-bating, attacking the Hispanic community, and the legions of stuff that's even sillier, that they are going to kill the down ticket races too.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: tekla on September 13, 2012, 09:51:41 PM
There are critical differences between the two choices, many of them stark.  Should Romney win and with the help of Congress trash the beginnings of a real national health plan it will be several decades or more before you'd ever see anything even remotely like it come up again.  Insurance rates would rise drastically, and just about any payout would be forfeit for some 'pre-existing condition.'  Coverage for transition, sure if you're a hot-shot executive with a gold plated policy, for regular people, never.  The war in Afghanistan would be ramped up, new wars in Syria, Iran and perhaps even confrontations with Russia would come on-line - the monetary outlay would gut most domestic federal programs.  Gay and transgender issues would not even receive a hearing, much less any action.  Voting would become harder for a lot of people.  Unregulated business and corporate power would grow, and in combination with enhanced states rights would prove to be very bad for the poorer states, and what's funny (in it's own way) is those are going to be the states that vote for Romney.  Really, if you put it to a popular referendum (particularly in the bitterness that would follow such an election) would New York or California vote to send money to Mississippi, or Dakota?  Nope, they would be on their own.  Hell many parts of the US are damn close to being Third World as it it, but this would complete it.  But just think how much more cheep plastic stuff you could get at WallMart when the people in Mississippi would get to work for lower wages then China. So the poor would get radically poorer even faster, while the rich would do very, very well.  Perhaps they might Tinkle Down on some on you. 

And, mostly, once the few people like Sheldon Adelson and the Koch Brothers buy the country cheep the cost to get it back would be most dear, if it could be done at all.  It is slightly humorous to note thought that the first causality of the Citizens United decision was the the Republican Party itself.

Luckily they are running the most incomplete campaigns I've ever seen and it's fast slipping out of their grasp.  Hope that in their idiocy of trying ban contraceptives from women, trying to make some forms of rape OK, race-bating, attacking the Hispanic community, and the legions of stuff that's even sillier, that they are going to kill the down ticket races too.

Couldn't have said it any better.
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Jamie D

We all need to remember Susan's "Political Rules" sticky post at the top of the "Politics" page.

The discussion of individual candidates is only permitted with respect the GLBTQ issues.

The posts that stray from the rule will be taken down.  There are several already in this topic.
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tekla

Health care and insurance for Transpersons who do not get the first in any adequate measure, and in many cases would never be able or eligible to get the second, and all of whom could easily have what could be described as pre-existing conditions and thus would be excluded from coverage of their single greatest health problem seems pretty germane.

Restrictions on women's health care, reproductive freedom, and access to abortion is critical to many of our members.

Restrictions and on voting, and the impositions of restrictive documentation in order to do so, when many of our members have trouble getting their documentation in the first place, would effectively deny them their democratic voice, and marginalize an already marginalized population.

Doing away with gays in the military would effect several of our members, and make service for transpersons a matter of 'never' and not just 'later, much later.'

Stopping gay marriage would negativity effect many of our members.

Redefining rape would have incredibly violent repercussions for many of us.

Using race as a way to define people as 'the other' and not 'part of us' impacts many members here.

Allowing the rise of theocratic notions would radically increase an already intolerable level of discrimination against TG persons.

FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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gennee

Lily, trans people are of all political persuasions. I have gotten off the grid. I'm never going to ever again vote for the two major parties. You have corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans. They do the bidding for corporations by passing laws which enrich them and their corporate sponsors. There are many viable parties but as Jamie D mentioned there needs to be cooperation. One suggestin is find some that all parties agree on. Egos need to be set aside and working to imrove the lives of every day people. 
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Joann

The worst part of this election is the estimated two billion dollars that will be spent for hate sake on negative political ads that no one wants to see or will remember. >:(
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gennee

There are many people of many politcal persuasions here. Makes for some interesting conversations. You have corporate Democrats and corporate Republicans. They do the bidding for corporations on laws they want passed. Translation: both parties serve the corporate hierarchy. Here are issues that NEITHER party isaddressing: 18 millon children go to bed hungry every night. There are over a million homeless veterans and over 100,000 are women. There are 100 million people in America in poverty. There are about 18 million senior citizens who are poor. They've lost there pensions, savings, and some cases, their homes to speculators, raiders, and unethical mortgage lenders. The banks have been bailed out but not the middle class. The real unemployment rate is around 21 %. Where are the advocates for these people? I could go on but that's enough for now.   
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MeghanAndrews

I think political allegiances in America usually are the same in trans and non trans people. Typically your older people are more conservative and the younger people are more liberal voting. What's that old saying, something like "if you are a democrat and under 30 you are an idealist, if you are a democrat >60 you are stupid" lol? Something like that. Younger people tend to be more supportive of democrats in my experience, but I don't know, maybe it's different in the middle of the country. On the coasts it seems to be that way. I'm independent, I don't listen to The Man, The Man can't hold me down! I'm breaking freeeeee!
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ashley_thomas

Something like, If you're a republican under 30 you have no heart, if you are a democrat over 40 you are stupid. 

Though I don't subscribe to the saying
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Lallie

Quote from: SarahM777 on September 12, 2012, 07:01:55 PM
...The only reason [hemp]'s not grown is because it resembles Marijuana...[Ethanol] costs more in energy to produce it then it yields,yet they will not let it go...

No hemp for rope, fabrics, paper, etc? The cotton lobby. No hemp for ethanol, which would be much more efficient? The corn lobby. I don't think it has that much to do with marijuana, except as a scare tactic by the cotton lobby. A lot more people smoke pot now than when hemp was commercially grown.
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Lallie

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on October 09, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
...What's that old saying...?...

In one of its more extreme forms, Meghan, it goes something like this: "If you're under 30 and not a communist, you have no heart. If you're still a communist at 60, you have no brain."
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Quote from: LilyoftheValley on September 10, 2012, 06:57:08 PM
Just wondering if anybody is in the same boat as i am, i do identify as MTF but politically i fall into the conservative end of the spectrum, i am deeply saddened by their lack of support and sometimes utter resistance to us, but in honesty i believe their economic, environmental, and other various standpoints just make far more sense than the Democrats, also i believe that the democratic politicians are willing to say anything for our votes, and i dont really believe that they truly give a damn about us, just our voting power. If only there were republicans who could show us some support, that would certainly be interesting, a far more poweful libertarian party, in my opinion, could really help out the USA. Reading about health care in socialistic countries, and the long waits everybody faces just to see a doctor, doesnt really make obamacare sound too appealing to me, because in reality, no matter what is on paper in Obamacare, it faces the realitiess of: limited doctors, limited supply chains, and government intrusion. Hearing stories of transgendered people in other countries with government provided health care having to wait YEARS just to get on HRT shows me that government health care is a load of crap.

Don't base your opinions on "what you hear." Get informed. Do you know what a low information voter is?
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UCBerkeleyPostop

Quote from: ashley_thomas on October 09, 2012, 10:47:17 PM
Something like, If you're a republican under 30 you have no heart, if you are a democrat over 40 you are stupid. 

Though I don't subscribe to the saying

What is stupid is voting against one's own best interests.
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Hikari

Quote from: UCBerkeleyPostop on November 05, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
What is stupid is voting against one's own best interests.

Now if only there was a clear consensus on what was best for people :p

Ofc, my definition for myself is probably closer to the majority feeling on this forum
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cindianna_jones

My primary motivation is ME. So, I'll vote for the party that will protect my rights. Straight down the line. The other party has made no overtures to make me think they want anything but for me to kick my feet up and die.... right after I vote for them. My sin?  I'm a trans woman. I feel the same for everyone in the GLBT communities. We all deserve to have the same rights as anyone else.
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Sarah Louise

We all vote our concience, that is the way it should be.

I will never let any one issue decide my direction.

Good luck to both candidates.
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