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Effects of estrogen overdose

Started by JaneGalt, September 15, 2012, 05:54:53 AM

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JaneGalt

What might be some of the effects of regularly taking too much estrogen? Yes, I know blood clots, liver failure, and all that lovely stuff, but I mean observable effects. If I were unable to get help from a medical professional, what might some indicators of longterm overdosing be?
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Devlyn

Hello Jane, please be advised that our TOS prohibits the discussion of dosages or self medication without a doctors supervision. Hugs, Devlyn
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ZoeNicole

Overdosing on any medicine is not a great idea. Knowingly doing it seems like a worse idea :(


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GendrKweer

My understanding is that not only is excess estro harmful, it has NO beneficial effect, ie the effects of E take time, and you cannot speed it up with more. Be safe.
Blessings,

D

Born: Aug 2, 2012, one of Dr Suporn's grrls.
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AbraCadabra

You will become -Estrogen dominant-, a misbalance between E, T and P.

Results... dry skin, dry hair, splitting nails, vasomotor symptoms like in menopause, morning sickness, nausea, irritability, bad memory, high blood pressure, headaches, PMT symptoms... and blurred vision, to mention what comes to mind immediately.

So, as was said already... not such a good thing to happen  ::)

Axélle
PS: I experienced my fair share so I speak from experience...
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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PrincesseAlli

SRS 16 january 2013
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Beth Andrea

I don't think it'll make boobs grow any faster, if that's what you mean...with all meds, start at the smallest dose (one pill is "usually" the smallest dose) and give your body time to adjust. Go up from there.

Less is *always* better if one is not sure of proper dosing or mal-effects. Not doing meds in such a case is best, of course...but we all understand desperation.

If' it's just a case of "can't get an Rx for another 6 months"...wait the 6 months. It's worth it.

As an option, if you want to have something "estrogen-like" while waiting for the Rx, get menopause supplements (in drugstores, in the women's vitamin section). Take 2/day...speaking from experience, they calm you down, and I did get minor (but noticeable) breast/nipple development while one them.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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JaneGalt

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 15, 2012, 06:07:13 AM
Hello Jane, please be advised that our TOS prohibits the discussion of dosages or self medication without a doctors supervision. Hugs, Devlyn
I don't believe the thread violates your TOS. I merely ask how to recognize an overdosage. I do not ask what would constitute an overdosage, nor do I discuss self-medication. But since you bring the topic of self-medication up, I wonder if the TOS is wise to prohibit discussion of this. Supposing that one were of very low income, and could not yet fund the care that their country's draconian laws require? Supposing a child, just released from the bondage of religious and unaccepting parents, on scholarship to a university, decided amidst daily thoughts of suicide that they could not function anymore without HRT. If it is indeed a choice between an extreme risk to health and suicide, would not the extreme risk to health be the moral choice? Is not your TOS, then, immoral?

And as to those who say "Overdosing is a bad idea", I think we are all aware that it is, which is why we should not let any transperson be in the dark as to whether they are overdosing, for ANY reason. Also, the fact that the minimum effective dose for HRT is the best is already known to me, but thanks for pointing that out.

Quote from: Abracadabra on September 15, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
You will become -Estrogen dominant-, a misbalance between E, T and P.

Results... dry skin, dry hair, splitting nails, vasomotor symptoms like in menopause, morning sickness, nausea, irritability, bad memory, high blood pressure, headaches, PMT symptoms... and blurred vision, to mention what comes to mind immediately.

So, as was said already... not such a good thing to happen  ::)

Axélle
PS: I experienced my fair share so I speak from experience...
I understand that dryer skin is a result from proper dosages of anti-androgens. Do you mean to say, then, that excessive E can compound the problem? And thanks for your input.
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Devlyn

Here is the full TOS: https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,2.0.html
The rules and policies of the site are in place to protect our members and guests. If you feel it is immoral, contact the author: Susan@susans.org
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: JaneGalt on September 15, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
I don't believe the thread violates your TOS. I merely ask how to recognize an overdosage. I do not ask what would constitute an overdosage, nor do I discuss self-medication. But since you bring the topic of self-medication up, I wonder if the TOS is wise to prohibit discussion of this.

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"Your" TOS? Since you are registered here, the TOS is "ours".

Also, you brought up self-medication:

Quote from: JaneGalt on September 15, 2012, 05:54:53 AM
What might be some of the effects of regularly taking too much estrogen? Yes, I know blood clots, liver failure, and all that lovely stuff, but I mean observable effects. If I were unable to get help from a medical professional, what might some indicators of longterm overdosing be?

"Unable to get help from a medical professional" + wondering what indicators of OD = means one is taking meds without professional assistance...

This is the definition of self-medication.

And finally, I did not talk about "minimum effective dose"...I said to start with the smallest dose available (usually one pill/patch), observe for any bad things (nothing will happen overnight, so expect to observe for a few weeks at least), and if all is well, *then* increase the dose by another "smallest dose available" (meaning, start taking a second pill)...again observe for any bad things (soreness, discharges, bleeding, pain, rashes, blurred vision, etc)

I'm not a medical professional, but if one were to take any substance (meds, alcohol, etc) this would be the basic plan to make sure nothing bad happens.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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AbraCadabra

Quote from: JaneGalt on September 15, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
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I understand that dryer skin is a result from proper dosages of anti-androgens. Do you mean to say, then, that excessive E can compound the problem? And thanks for your input.

Yes, that is what I'm saying.
Estradiol on its own still is quite anti-androgenic.

In the early day of Trans HRT (50s, 60s), with no anti-androgens available there was only far higher doses of E...

Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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AbraCadabra

Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 15, 2012, 07:47:50 PM
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And finally, I did not talk about "minimum effective dose"...I said to start with the smallest dose available (usually one pill/patch), observe for any bad things (nothing will happen overnight, so expect to observe for a few weeks at least), and if all is well, *then* increase the dose by another "smallest dose available" (meaning, start taking a second pill)...again observe for any bad things (soreness, discharges, bleeding, pain, rashes, blurred vision, etc)

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One caveat to take note of - the body will take its time to adjust...
Therefor one would find what worked great during the first month... might/will not work so great at ALL after this period.

One ought to stick to ones guns - so to speak - and NOT implement any changes for at least about 3 month until the body has adjusted FULLY.

This is advice readily available from MDs working in the field of HT, ERT, HRT.

Also see:
http://www.empowher.com/menopause/content/what-should-woman-know-she-talks-her-doctor-about-hormone-replacement-therapy-dr-s

Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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Padma

JaneGalt, the reason why we don't discuss dosages here is because one person's correct dose is another person's overdose. We know nothing of each other's physiology and medical background - even when you're transitioning under the care of experienced medical practitioners it's still pretty hit-and-miss because everyone's different, bodies change, bodies react to medications, which is why regular monitoring is so valuable.

Of course we understand how strong the need is to transition - and how for some people their situation (or country) makes it impossible to get professional support doing this. But there are many other sites out there that discuss self-medication and dosages, so Susan's chooses not to be one of them - but offers support in all other ways.

Legal liability is, sadly, also a concern. If someone harmed themselves as a result of medding advice given here and then sued, Susan's would vanish, and the 9000 users would be homeless. All in all, out policy is about looking after people.

I thought it was pretty clear from the start that your concern was not to overdose yourself, so you were just asking about danger signs. I'm sorry that we can't offer you specific dosage advice here (if that's something you're looking for) - but I hope you find this site supportive in other ways.
Womandrogyne™
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Annah

also, keep in mind that large doses of estrogen DOES NOT make you feminine faster. There is a small threshold of what the body can metabolize.

Go to your doctor and see which dosage is right for you.
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crowcrowcrow

My friend has been overdosing for quite a long time, and she ended up in a hospital, where some part of her leg was practically dead, and they had to do a skin, muscle and BONE transplant to the dead place, she is recovering now, it was extremely painful, horrendous to look at, completely dont think about it.

It will not make you look more feminine!!!
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Padma

I don't understand why everyone is assuming the OP wants to overdose.
Womandrogyne™
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crowcrowcrow

LOL, it's like a little girl asking her mother "Mummy, mummy, what would happen if I ate this delicious cookies you just took out of the oven", but honey, they aint delicious, they will not make you more feminine!
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Snowpaw

There are a lot of assumptions here. OP just is looking for long-term symptoms of estrogen OD. I don't understand why that lead to some of the posts received here.
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Padma

Exactly. There's no need for rudeness or condescension here.

I'm going to lock this topic now, since all we can really recommend is that you get proper medical advice on whether your dose is correct or not, there really isn't any safe substitute for that.
Womandrogyne™
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