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Pre-transition, did merely crossdressing cause you depression?

Started by Firecat, October 06, 2012, 01:49:03 PM

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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Violet Bloom on October 08, 2012, 02:58:05 PM
She was certainly one of my all time favs.  I was always horrible at remembering combos so I never did too well with this sort of game though.

I could beat 90% of Mortal Kombat II with Lu Kang and using only the bycicle kick (press kick for five seconds). Until I reached Jade, which could pick my leg on the air and beat me to pulp...


Anti Androgens for knowing if the desire is real or not? I think I have read that before, something like "Let's put them on Androcur or Spiro and see if they still have gender dysphoria when they start losing their sex drive". That would worry me a lot ... If it was not for the fact that it's been a year since my sex drive started acting all weird and failing me. Sure, I was not a kid anymore and only had to milk it to avoid going crazy. Now it is even less, but... Not that I care a, lot that thing got me on my nerves. Although if it is hard to raise it now, I don't want to think if it will work on HRT. Only my brain makes it work, and rarely at full power.
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Stephe

Quote from: Carlita on October 08, 2012, 03:13:33 PM
Well said! I've only ever fantasized about sex from a female perspective. So, does that mean I only want to be female to feed a sex fantasy? No ... my fantasies arise from a fundamentally female aspect of my personality.

That's why I get depressed, rather than turned on by the fact that my body is still male.

Exactly. I can see how a man (Blanchard) wouldn't understand this and would think that wanting to be female is feeding a sexual fantasy. Totally like a guy to come up with this. The really odd part of Blanchards argument is he says this is only for TS's who like women. So do ALL lesbians have  ->-bleeped-<-? And why wouldn't his same theory work for a TS who prefers men and what about Bi people like myself who don't care what sex their partner is? The whole theory falls apart very quickly.
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Jayne

I agree with the posters who've said that there is definately a sexual element for me.
I find sex with a woman feels really, really wrong. After sex I would often pretend to fall asleep, really i'd be trying not to make a noise whilst crying myself to sleep.

The only way I could achieve an orgasm with a woman was to imagine I was in her position (it's not easy picturing yourself having sex with yourself, something to go in the things that creep me out thread methinks).
I didn't find wearing womens clothes a turn on, it just felt right, comfortable.
I still want to be able to fully enjoy being female but now i've sorted my feelings out it's more important that I can just exist as a female, anything else will just be the cherry on the cake.
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Jayne on October 08, 2012, 04:37:03 PM
I agree with the posters who've said that there is definately a sexual element for me.
I find sex with a woman feels really, really wrong. After sex I would often pretend to fall asleep, really i'd be trying not to make a noise whilst crying myself to sleep.



This picture, but with my face between my hands. At least you could do it, for me penetration killed all the feeling. But the worst part was... The thing going back at full power after giving up, like teasing me.

For the most, I've gone back to an almost asexual life again, too much issues in life to be worried about it, so I don't really think sex is playing a lot on my decisions. I may enjoy it later in life, but I doubt I will get any if I don't fix a few things prior to transition (extreme shyness, fear of rejection, sociability...). The worst thing would be to keep living the same secluded life after all the effort.
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Jayne

Quote from: Rotten Apple on October 08, 2012, 05:15:12 PM


At least you could do it, for me penetration killed all the feeling. But the worst part was... The thing going back at full power after giving up, like teasing me.


I know that exact feeling, whilst I could con myself for a while it often failed, if I thought about what I was doing for a split second it was game over. Sometimes I would lose the ability to engage in sex before i'd started, other times it would leave me part way through.
The times I could get it up & keep it going I often couldn't finish, my ex thought I was great in bed because on the occasions I could keep it up & didn't lose it I often couldn't finish & after about an hour i'd make my excuses to end it.

In an eight year relationship I learnt many ways to avoid sex, the most common would be to mention that we should have an early night for some adult fun & then play on the xbox until she fell asleep (she's like the doormouse always snoozing). This would keep her thinking I was interested without me having to go through the full act.
I hated myself for being male, I hated myself for the games I played to fool her & I hated myself for not having the courage to come out.

At least now i'm being honest about who & what I am
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cindianna_jones

Quote from: Firecat on October 07, 2012, 12:48:58 PM
I'm so glad I posted this topic here last night; I was feeling very uneasy and questioning myself and the choice I've been consciously and subconsciously making for the last 8-10 years (more-so as time goes on, and especially within the last year to a year and a half)... and knowing how similar my thought patterns and desires and story are to some, if not most of you is very invigorating, and it makes me feel a lot more confident that I might truly be doing the right thing for me.

It's a most common feeling. Isn't it odd that we feel we can "become ourselves" merely by putting the "right" clothes on? It's a symptom not a cure. I had exactly the same feelings. I did it for years and the depression only got worse. There came a point when clothes could not do anything for me. I moved on.

Cindi
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Firecat

I just wish there was something I could do to finally make me feel comfortable in my decisions. There is a part of me driving myself towards seeking therapy and doing all this, and yet I find myself worrying and questioning it every step of the way, and lacking the self esteem to grab the bull by the horns even though I feel desperate to get started asap. Kinda confusing huh?
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Brooke777

Quote from: Firecat on October 09, 2012, 02:49:27 PM
I just wish there was something I could do to finally make me feel comfortable in my decisions. There is a part of me driving myself towards seeking therapy and doing all this, and yet I find myself worrying and questioning it every step of the way, and lacking the self esteem to grab the bull by the horns even though I feel desperate to get started asap. Kinda confusing huh?

Not at all. I know the feeling quite well. It took me severall years to get past it. Finally, for me, things got to the point where I felt I had to transition. Don't puch yourself. Your time will come.
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Firecat

But see, I'm already at that point where almost every second of everyday, I'm thinking about making the transition, how I have to make the transition... that I don't have anything else in my life that has driven me to improve my lifestyle and start taking better care of myself and making changes. It was this gnawing thought in the back of my mind for all of 7-8 years, and within the last year has come to the front of my mind full force, and doesn't seem to give way.

I will be starting with my new gender therapist first thing in the morning, so here's to hoping for better results this time around!

And thankfully, I've been feeling much better about things since I joined this forum... I believe I'll be here to stay.
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Brooke777

Quote from: Firecat on October 09, 2012, 10:02:56 PM
But see, I'm already at that point where almost every second of everyday, I'm thinking about making the transition, how I have to make the transition... that I don't have anything else in my life that has driven me to improve my lifestyle and start taking better care of myself and making changes. It was this gnawing thought in the back of my mind for all of 7-8 years, and within the last year has come to the front of my mind full force, and doesn't seem to give way.

I will be starting with my new gender therapist first thing in the morning, so here's to hoping for better results this time around!

And thankfully, I've been feeling much better about things since I joined this forum... I believe I'll be here to stay.

Good luck tomorrow. Let us know how it goes.
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Firecat

She's great, I like her a lot :3  Very different than my last therapist--older, more professional and is more personable, she made no face one way or the other than indicated what she was actually thinking... I got to talking about my whole history of gender issues from the time I was 14 and started on my games, to the last year with the beginning of crossdressing and waking up one morning with the desperate realization that I wanted to be female. Honestly, I got a lot out today, and I feel awesome ^.^
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Brooke777

Quote from: Firecat on October 10, 2012, 10:37:07 AM
She's great, I like her a lot :3  Very different than my last therapist--older, more professional and is more personable, she made no face one way or the other than indicated what she was actually thinking... I got to talking about my whole history of gender issues from the time I was 14 and started on my games, to the last year with the beginning of crossdressing and waking up one morning with the desperate realization that I wanted to be female. Honestly, I got a lot out today, and I feel awesome ^.^

That is great to hear. I am glad it went well for you.
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Apples Mk.II

Quote from: Firecat on October 09, 2012, 10:02:56 PM
that I don't have anything else in my life that has driven me to improve my lifestyle and start taking better care of myself and making changes.

It's something we discussed on my therapy yesterday. How I had started to improve on a lot of fields regarding my personal issues, how I interact with people, the true person I have under all the self -hate... How all of this had been kickstarted by the desire to transition, and how far I had come into accepting myself. We were only fixing my disorders (if they really existed) and improving how I was perceiving myself, but accepting who I really wanted to be (not related to the gender) also made much easier accepting the worst issues I had with transitioning. Thinking on all the things I will have to learn, the surgeries of If I really have chances with my voice are enough to scare me again and reconsider if it is worth doing it, but... At first it was the physical thing, now it is more about who I really want to be, how I want to present to other persons and that in the end, I want to be accepted by people instead of just hiding and not socializing. As the therapist said yesterday, Well, if all of this is being caused by recognizing or accepting the GID, it is a good thing then!"

Can't wait to start the GD therapy.  I just wanted to bail out, but although I still have a long road before me in making me socially functional again, I feel more confident in most of the things. Or maybe I have stopped denialing things and accepting myself.



Well, until the BDD does another trick on me and have another breakdown. Careful...
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Firecat

I'm right there with you Apple. Since coming to the conclusion of who I wanted to be, I've faced my fear of driving in the city and on the highway... I've faced my fear of calling places and talking to doctors and therapists and banks and whatnot... I faced my fear of changing my hairstyle and growing it out (I'd never in my life changed my hair before the age of 23)... and I've found that I've become much more apt to eat better, control my anxiety and my depression and improve my appearance any way I can.

Though now I have another worry tonight, as I've found out that I'm allergic to very common ingredients in shampoo (Sodium Lauryl Sulfate), and its been causing my scalp to get red and inflame and itch, and my hair to shed.  I'd tried various different shampoos and all the same, each having that same ingredient.   Then, come to find out, my past history of over self manipulation had caused a buildup of DHT in my scalp which is clogging up the hair follicles and whatnot... then I read that the immune system attacks hair follicles...  and then connecting the dots, DHT... immune system... allergy... its my shampoo and my DHT problem that have been tag-teaming my scalp. Just tonight, I've noticed a bit of thinning near the parting of my hair, close to my hair swirl (and this is after two days of quick shedding).

Sooooo... I need to figure out just what I'm going to do about this before it progresses any further.
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Apples Mk.II

Well, you know what I had to do. With severe thinning and the medical system telling me "It's urgent and you are going to respond well to DHT blockers, but since the government has reduced our personnel, you will have to wait 6 months for me to check your analysis and give you the approval. You could go to a private dermatologist, bue we are the only ones than can prescribe it here. Deal with it". Sometimes you have to take risks.

Maybe it is the autumn shedding, but dutas is making me lose a lot of hair to the point where I think my condition is getting worse. But hey, I am still on the first month and the results don't appear until the third. But... This could be placebo effect, but maybe minoxidil is doing something. I was using it incorrectly, but after three months of changing the application method, I have hairs in my hairline that don't match the rest (shorter, as if they had started growing recently), and they were there before I started with the DHT blockers.

No side effects from the DHT blockers, though. The only change is that my hair has become much dryer. I needed to shampoo it daily to combat the excess of oil (damaging it even more), and know I am back to only doing it half of the week.


But, you know? The first time I crossdressed, it was not the clothes, fake books or makeup that made me feel different: It was the hair (the wig). At that moment I was not even worried about my gigantic nose and the rest of face defects that will need FFS. Since my hair situation has been bad for years and I had to deal with the classical ("If you leave your hair long it will fall quicker, all your family is bald, etc"), I just kept it short, just delaying every haircut the longest I could (until I had to cut it because of irritating family pressure).

If the DHT blockers start working, the hair gains health and the shedding is reduced and get a bit of regrowth, I may consider letting it grow. But since my GD therapy starts in november, it wont matter a lot...



BTW, don't make a lot of issues or you will run into BDD, same as me. My bad hip may not let me develop a good walking gait, my slight upper scoliosis may not let me move my arms properly, my voice may never work, my posture will always be stiff, my bad eye that needs that ptosis  to be fixed, all the other face problems... All of these things can get on top of your head if you don't have a good starting point, and yours is probably better than mine already.


So, my final decision: One thing at a time, I still have 6 months of GD therapy to work on other thing. Hair counter measures are addressed for now. Hip is checked for safety and can be fixed with physiotherapy and exercise. The next time I visit my doctor I will ask how the cause for the ptosis can be investigated before having it fixed (it was probably a Lasik surgery side effect. I can repair it for around 1600-2000€, but surgeon told me to find the cause first). In the meantime, keep the good diet, level of exercise and keep looking for a home to rent. Setting things in a linear fashion is less stressful than trying to take on all of them at the same time, failing and getting depressed.
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Firecat

I can agree with all that you said... though the hairloss situation makes me want to hasten everything greatly.  Currently, I'm seeking alternative haircare products and looking to change to an anti-inflammatory diet. I've already given up on my self-gratifying ways (or trying to at least)... I also started taking saw palmetto to see if it helps any.  I don't know what else I can do but hope for things work out.
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Cindy

Try straight sorbolene as a soap and shampoo. It should have no added ingredients and does not contain SLS. Also ask your Pharmacist, I think they are called Drug Stores in the USA, quaint name :laugh:
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Apples Mk.II

Try minoxidil / rogaine at 5%, but there is even a more important thing...


KEEP CALM AND RELAX!!!

The days where I got my last mental breakdown, maxium anxiety and panic attacks were the ones I lost more hair. And it takes months to recover the anxiety induced hair loss.

I take 5 scalp photos every 15 days, just to check the evolution. I may post them when I see an improvement.
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Firecat

But i heard when you start rogaine you have to be on it indefinitely or the hair falls back out..

I will say that the spot was excessively itchy the last few days, and I couldn't help but scratch it... so maybe I induced it myself. If thats the case, perhaps it'll regrow?

I apologize, I've once again taken my own topic way way off the original topic.
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