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Started by oZma, November 02, 2012, 01:09:04 AM

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Brooke777

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oZma

Quote from: tekla on November 02, 2012, 09:00:07 AM

If there was a general economic collapse as you are all speculating about - a true Industrial Collapse - then pretty much your gender worries will shrink to almost nothing, as basic survival is a 24/7 thing with no margin for error.

i vote for this options! lol... if it relieves my dysphoria! haha



no but in all seriousness... please refrain from zombie Apocalypse, that's just silly.  i am mealy speaking of a "bigger" recession or depression.  hyperinflation that sends the cost of estrogen, food, gas, living expenses into territories that put estrogen on the back burner.  this is entirely possible and depends completely on the federal reserve and the black magic cloak and dagger behind closed door sorcery that creates inflation, prints money, and slowly steals money from us to cause more influence over us sheeple.  like they're trying to force us into a totalitarian state, but yes that's getting a little extreme and off topic.



and moving to Canada?  i know you think you're clever when you say this but Canada is not immune... the entire planet depends in one way or another on the US dollar so if the USD fails, we all fail really.

its just like tekla said, money is peter pan and we all believe he is flying... but slowly we all agree he isn't flying as high, the USD slowly becomes worth less and less money as we print more and more of it.  but who controls the printing of money? not our government, the federal reserve.... no more federal that federal express


precious metals i think are the correct option to prevent the "fake money" we right now from loosing much of its value.  but if we get to a mad max, yes these metals won't be worth as much.  what you can provide to society will be your worth inherently.  i am again speaking of hyperinflation. 

AUDIT THE FED!!  lol
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Brooke777

I know moving to Canada is not a cure all. But, if the US economy does crash there will be a lot of other countries that will fare just fine. By looking at countries that have their owns sustainable resources, good import export laws, and their climate you can tell which ones will fair well. I believe Canada will be one of those places. This is based on economic research that I have conducted in the past. Not to mention, environmental trends that show Canada's ability to grow a wider variety of crops is increasing every year. The weather is changing, and it is creating some really good growing conditions in areas further north than previously reported.
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Nicolette

Quote from: TessaM on November 02, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
If your truly female, your body will secrete the appropriate hormones, so dont you worry!

;D

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tekla

I believe Canada will be one of those places.

I'm pretty sure that given a total industrial collapse Canada will be the first (or second, Mexico fits in here too) place with lots and lots of American boots on the ground, and not there in a good way like they were tourists or something.
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Brooke777

Quote from: tekla on November 02, 2012, 11:11:20 AM
I believe Canada will be one of those places.

I'm pretty sure that given a total industrial collapse Canada will be the first (or second, Mexico fits in here too) place with lots and lots of American boots on the ground, and not there in a good way like they were tourists or something.

True, especially due to their proximity to the U.S.
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tekla

The missing links of Manifest Destiny.  Hell, we should have annexed Mexico after the First World War, things would be hugely better in both countries had we done that.
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MaidofOrleans

Big government will always exist, as long as there are humans there will be someone who wants more power. They will even talk under the guise of wanting small government but that's just to gain power to create their own big government with their rules. Best to just keep the more socially liberal ones in power for our own benefit as trans people.

As for an economic collapse. It's very unlikely. Government may be in debt but our private sector is rich as holy hell. I really don't bother myself worrying about such things. It's like worrying about a plane crash, if it happens, there isn't anything you can do about it anyways so why bother giving a damn?
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A

If you've been on an anti-androgen for long enough, chances are your testicles won't recover very well, or at all. Especially if it was cyproterone, which they actually give temporarily to some criminals to castrate them.

Off oestrogen (assuming your HRT's effect were pretty much at their maximum when the catastrophe happened), most of your acquired female characteristics should stay, more or less. Your fat might slowly migrate to the belly, kind of (yet not so much, since your testicles shouldn't be producing much T anyway). Your face might turn more androgynous than it was. Your breasts might be altered a little, but they shouldn't disappear. Just ask FTMs.

And one last thing. Estradiol is one of the cheapest, easiest to find drugs. Even if the price went x3, it wouldn't be all that expensive.
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Quote from: A on November 02, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
If you've been on an anti-androgen for long enough, chances are your testicles won't recover very well, or at all. Especially if it was cyproterone, which they actually give temporarily to some criminals to castrate them.

Off oestrogen (assuming your HRT's effect were pretty much at their maximum when the catastrophe happened), most of your acquired female characteristics should stay, more or less. Your fat might slowly migrate to the belly, kind of (yet not so much, since your testicles shouldn't be producing much T anyway). Your face might turn more androgynous than it was. Your breasts might be altered a little, but they shouldn't disappear. Just ask FTMs.

And one last thing. Estradiol is one of the cheapest, easiest to find drugs. Even if the price went x3, it wouldn't be all that expensive.

isn't T less common than E?

I heard all about a T shortage, but maybe that was just a tumblr crisis. I heard that about E too though, like two months ago...
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Jamie D

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on November 02, 2012, 12:53:12 PM
Big government will always exist, as long as there are humans there will be someone who wants more power. They will even talk under the guise of wanting small government but that's just to gain power to create their own big government with their rules. Best to just keep the more socially liberal ones in power for our own benefit as trans people.

As for an economic collapse. It's very unlikely. Government may be in debt but our private sector is rich as holy hell. I really don't bother myself worrying about such things. It's like worrying about a plane crash, if it happens, there isn't anything you can do about it anyways so why bother giving a damn?

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oZma

Quote from: A on November 02, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
If you've been on an anti-androgen for long enough, chances are your testicles won't recover very well, or at all. Especially if it was cyproterone, which they actually give temporarily to some criminals to castrate them.

Off oestrogen (assuming your HRT's effect were pretty much at their maximum when the catastrophe happened), most of your acquired female characteristics should stay, more or less. Your fat might slowly migrate to the belly, kind of (yet not so much, since your testicles shouldn't be producing much T anyway). Your face might turn more androgynous than it was. Your breasts might be altered a little, but they shouldn't disappear. Just ask FTMs.

And one last thing. Estradiol is one of the cheapest, easiest to find drugs. Even if the price went x3, it wouldn't be all that expensive.

this was the kind of reply i was looking for.  i've been HRT for only 2 years.  i have boobie implants so i assume i won't really turn back into a boy that much if when our economy collapses and totalitarianism takes over the world while everyone was watching honey boo boo and jersey shore.  that creature from Jekyll island will run the world. 
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translora

As long as there's money to be made, someone will be selling hormones.

I worry way more about a gradual slip into theocracy -- a society which is based on some particular set of religious views. (I live in a state which will be voting next week on a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.)

Complete fiscal collapse seems unlikely to me (as do most kinds of zombies), but evolving into an exclusionary and intolerant society sometimes feels like a work-in-progress.

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I share your concern about the rise of a dictatorship in many Western democracies, the gradual but consistent eroding of civil liberties for the sake of an illusion of security, the continual corruption and robbery that plagues public office around the world and the false promises of a return to former glory is a sign of a historical truth.

Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. -Plato

No system of governance is permanent, I do believe fiscal collapse is very likely just from an economics point of view, however, I don't picture it as a doomsday scenario like some do. In history every single international fiat currency has collapsed, ever since the concept of fiat currency was first proposed, and this was at a time when it was all backed by precious metals to varying degrees. Banks and governments around the world are on the verge of a massive liquidity crisis, they will become insolvent very soon and there is nothing that can be done about it. Only QE-infinity (infinite quantitative easing, printing of money) as the FED's Bernanke has dubbed it which the ECB is following suit on and it won't be long before the FED and the ECB become insolvent.

Austerity, inflation, default. The natural cycle which has been played out several times already.

What is the likely outcome however? Most likely a move to a independent (like there is such a thing) gold-backed global reserve currency. China, Russia, Switzerland, and several other major players have doubled or tripled their gold supply in the last few years. All Commonwealth nations have constitutional right to confiscate gold from it's citizens at certain spot prices.

Probably be a bit turbulent for a few years, could be a major war as powers realign for better positions in the next stage of human history (which is always marked by the conflicts), could be civil unrest in less stable countries, but everyone will just start from scratch, like they always have. New fiat currency, new reserve, and new laws that will "promise" a better future.

I'm far more concerned about the political and civil fallout than any economic fallout. People will always manage to find a means for economic understanding, like they always have.

But governments are dangerous and unpredictable.
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Snowpaw

Quote from: Jamie D on November 03, 2012, 02:12:35 AM
The truth about zombies

I find it ironic that you would link that. Considering dem's back then, weren't they a bit closer to the uh repubs these days? *innocent face* Yep. Zombies, waking each sunday, to sing their chants and denounce the evils of others. How very "Los Illuminados" but yes. Zombies, nukes, crash of the dollar oh my. We will survive I think. Man's incessant need to keep going will see to that. Unless it's like a asteroid or Crossed. Then we would be screwed. That comic scared me.


Not only that, I deeply enjoy talking about the possible apocalypse. :3 Fun to think of what you would do. Bug out bag and all.
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tekla

But governments are dangerous and unpredictable.

Not when compared to their citizens.  There are always Fidels and Maos, Hitlers&Gorings, an Adams and a Washington in every generation, a Robespierre around every corner.  And mostly - since we're all happy as clams - they never get it rolling.  But humans are ever so discontent in the end.  What's good enough today ain't near enough tomorrow.  Higher, faster, stronger, MORE.  Those insatiable desires run into finite realities sooner or later.  And in that slight discontent there is kindling. 

Sustainability.  We ain't got it.  Not even enough for another half century at the current rate and pace (and any slowing of that produces that discontent) of some pretty important things.  Oil.  Water.  Arable land.  And we allow no breaks to be put on our appetites, no checks on our desires.  Reality soon come.

Ever larger groups are keeping ever expanding lists of 'undesirable tenants here on planet condominium.'  Are you on some of them?  Sure.  Do you have a little list too?  They never will be missed, no they never will be missed so we'll put them on the list.

Consider this: never have so many who know so little been able to find each other so easily.  And the spread of sheer idiocy is rampant.  Viral morons cover the landscape spouting a vast array of stupid.  Asamov's worry that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge' morphs into OUR ignorance IS better than your knowledge - and we'll destroy your knowledge to prove it.

Tone down, tune down everything to the lowest common denominator, set the settings so that the most easily offended among us are never offended.

My students who would worry about nuclear war, or bio-terrorism attack, I'd tell them that sure, it's possible - but what's far more likely is that we're going to drown in our own garbage and gluttony long before that.
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Jamie D

Quote from: Snowpaw on November 03, 2012, 02:24:52 AM
I find it ironic that you would link that. Considering dem's back then, weren't they a bit closer to the uh repubs these days? *innocent face* Yep. Zombies, waking each sunday, to sing their chants and denounce the evils of others. How very "Los Illuminados" but yes. Zombies, nukes, crash of the dollar oh my. We will survive I think. Man's incessant need to keep going will see to that. Unless it's like a asteroid or Crossed. Then we would be screwed. That comic scared me.


Not only that, I deeply enjoy talking about the possible apocalypse. :3 Fun to think of what you would do. Bug out bag and all.

That particular clip came from a film made in 1940 ... At the height of the neo-socialist New Dealers.
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tekla

Pretty obvious who really tries to think, and who are just clowns trying to get into the circus.
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Snowpaw

Quote from: Jamie D on November 03, 2012, 05:33:37 AM
That particular clip came from a film made in 1940 ... At the height of the neo-socialist New Dealers.
So we pull a clip from a time when most people were socially conservative? Maybe something a bit more uh relevant today? ;) :O Maybe zombieland! That was a fun movie and because so many are reliant on fast food we would have to look at possible contamination.

Now the big question, is it immoral to kill your friend who is turning zombie on you?


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