College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

[Shana A]

College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

Nov 1, 2012
By Todd Starnes

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/college-allows-transgender-man-to-expose-himself-to-young-girls.html

A Washington college said their non-discrimination policy prevents them from stopping a transgender man from exposing himself to young girls inside a women's locker room, according to a group of concerned parents.

"Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period," said David Hacker, senior legal counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom. A group of concerned parents contacted the legal firm for help.

Hacker said a 45-year-old male student, who dresses as a woman and goes by the name Colleen Francis, undressed and exposed his genitals on several occasions inside the woman's locker room at Evergreen State College.

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AAACK! Girls getting eyeful in locker room
University 'nondiscrimination' policy lets man change with female swim team
Published: 13 hours ago
by Bob Unruh

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/aaack-girls-getting-eyeful-in-locker-room/

"Little girls should not be exposed to naked men, period," says David Hacker, a senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom.

And that's why the public interest law firm is calling on officials at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., to do something to make their campus safe after it was revealed that, because of its controversial "nondiscrimination" policies, the school was allowing a grown man to get naked and change into his swimwear right alongside a girls swim team.

"The idea that the college and the local district attorney will not act to protect young girls is appalling. What Americans are seeing here is the poisoned fruit of so-called 'nondiscrimination' laws and policies. Placing this man's proclivities ahead of protecting little girls is beyond acceptable."

[suzifrommd]

I'll admit to being conflicted about this. I don't think it would harm my teenage daughter to see a live pair of testicles, but I realize that puts me on the lunatic fringe. Most parents are horrified at the idea of their underage daughter seeing bare guy parts.

OTOH, if we allow all females access to changing areas, we have to let them undress, and be undressed.

[twit]

Why would any transsexual want to show their bits to anyone so openly, much less in a place where they are way more conspicuous. I mean, jeesh, use a little common sense if you want to use facilities associated with the gender you identify. And honestly, kind of makes you wonder just what the heck they are thinking even doing that. We can't rule out some sort of sexual thrill they could be getting just because they identify as trans and this just makes people associate that sort of thing more with us.

[Damian]

This is also a problem in the legal court system, When is a man a man? I feel that if they are in college they are not little girls and that if the transgendered person made it on the team they should be able to change. I probably have this all wrong since I skimmed  but still.

Going back to the whole legal courts system, Men are suing an airport because the officer who ran the pat downs and strip searches used to be a female and is now a male. Begging the question from the legal courts system, When is a man a man?

[twit]

This is also a problem in the legal court system, When is a man a man? I feel that if they are in college they are not little girls and that if the transgendered person made it on the team they should be able to change. I probably have this all wrong since I skimmed  but still.

Going back to the whole legal courts system, Men are suing an airport because the officer who ran the pat downs and strip searches used to be a female and is now a male. Begging the question from the legal courts system, When is a man a man?

The girls are from a swim team at a local highschool that uses the college facilities for practice, they are minors. The trans woman(middle aged) attends the college and just uses the facilities on their own, they are not on any team. Why can't they go at a time when the girls aren't there?

[Damian]

I feel like it's his freedom to change where he pleases, as long as it isn't a public place legally I don't see how they can put any action against the College. I don't see a reason why he should accommodate other people and feel prejudice again in a 'no hate, no discrimination' environment.

[Incarnadine]

Bathroom usage?  Fine - the doors close, and if she passes, she'll not draw attention to herself.  Locker room sharing - not so much.  Her right to personal expression ends where the eyes of those young women begin.  Colleen showed a complete lack of respect for the opinions and concerns of the underage girls and their parents. 

She's playing the part of a show-off.  Want equal access to express yourself fully as a woman?  Then you'll need to completely look the part, surgery and all.  You can do all you want to to fix the gender incongruity you feel, but the expression and communication of said fixing needs to have some limitation, just as the rest of our American freedoms have limitations.

Freedom isn't the abolition of all rules; it is the ability to do what you will with your private property (including your privates) so long as it does not infringe on the private property of others (including their privates, or the eyes and minds of these young girls, as in this situation).  There is no hate or discrimination involved here; Colleen failed to limit her expression and should be prosecuted.

[twit]

I feel like it's his freedom to change where he pleases, as long as it isn't a public place legally I don't see how they can put any action against the College. I don't see a reason why he should accommodate other people and feel prejudice again in a 'no hate, no discrimination' environment.

What about their freedom to go into a women's locker room where one would reasonably expect not to see penis and have one carelessly exposed there in front of minor females? While seeking our rights, we should still respect the rights of others in a reasonable manner.

[Brooke777]

I think this type of behavior will hurt other trans people in the long run. At this point in our society, I do not feel it is appropriate to expose male genitalia to young girls, or female genitalia to young boys. I know this puts trans people at a disadvantage since if you are pre/non op you will always fall in the middle. Since there were young girls present (pre-pubecent), I do not think she should have acted this way.

Why would any transsexual want to show their bits to anyone so openly, much less in a place where they are way more conspicuous. I mean, jeesh, use a little common sense if you want to use facilities associated with the gender you identify. And honestly, kind of makes you wonder just what the heck they are thinking even doing that. We can't rule out some sort of sexual thrill they could be getting just because they identify as trans and this just makes people associate that sort of thing more with us.

I completely agree with this. Why would a trans woman want her male genitalia to be exposed to all those people? The only reason I can think of is gong along the lines of a sexual thrill.

[Damian]

How should they prosecute her?
And what if she is just changing in the locker room to avoid bullies and such from infringing upon her own rights?
(I personally agree with you on a fundamental level but I am playing devil's advocate.)

[dalebert]

I tend to agree that this woman is being a sort of attention whore and her behavior is tactless. That said, I have to respond to notions that people's eyes should be protected from seeing certain things. I don't think nudity is unnatural or that there should be laws about it. Standards, sure, like reasonable dressing standards for certain occasions and locations. A restaurant, for instance, shirt and shoes is often posted on the door and something on your bottom half should be a given. People are eating in there. Beaches though? nah. I think it's unreasonable to demand people cover parts of themselves to protect other people from seeing something they don't want to see. By the same argument, we could demand that ugly people wear bags over their heads. "I don't wanna have to see that!"

[dalebert]

I'm particularly disturbed by different standards for nudity for men and women, i.e. that men can go topless but not women. That's blatantly sexist.

[Brooke777]

I do not think at this stage, prosecution is the right step. I believe she should be counseled on why it is not appropriate in our current society. If, she does it again in such a blatant way, then she should be charged with indecent exposure.

As far as the changing room, there are far less obvious ways to change. She could use a stall, keep her panties on, or face the wall or corner. There is no reason to just walk around with her junk swinging about. IMHO

[twit]

How should they prosecute her?
And what if she is just changing in the locker room to avoid bullies and such from infringing upon her own rights?
(I personally agree with you on a fundamental level but I am playing devil's advocate.)

She's not just simply changing, they report her as using the sauna, walking about and such.  I'm pre-op, I've used shower stalls in a women's bath house and I've changed into a swimsuit in women's change facilities, but I do it discreetly, no one can see anything out of the ordinary and I would be mortified if anyone saw my bits. I've not had any issues as I take others into consideration. 

[Shana A]

Note the sources of these articles; WND and Foxnews.

Z

[Damian]

I'm particularly disturbed by different standards for nudity for men and women, i.e. that men can go topless but not women. That's blatantly sexist.

I know in New York, it is legal for a woman to have her bra and shirt off. Thats why the Dykes on Bikes haven't been arrested every gay pride parade.

[Brooke777]

Note the sources of these articles; WND and Foxnews.

Z

I had to keep this in mind when reading the article as they kept referring to the woman as a man. It bugs me, but that is conservative American news for you.

[dalebert]

I know in New York, it is legal for a woman to have her bra and shirt off. Thats why the Dykes on Bikes haven't been arrested every gay pride parade.

It's legal in many places. However, note that I said "different standards". People called the police and they tried to arrest a friend of mine for walking down the street topless on a very hot day. She was surrounded by friends who were men, also topless. The cop was on the radio for a while trying to figure out how to arrest her even though she wasn't breaking the law and eventually conceded and let her go, but she'd already been detained like a criminal. Meanwhile, people will probably continue to call the police on people like her if they see it and will complain and try to change the law all based on some notion of how the sight of a woman's breasts will tragically corrupt children (after the age of 2 but before the age of 18 or something for some reason).

[dalebert]

Note the sources of these articles; WND and Foxnews.

I prefer Moxnews.   

[Brooke777]

I prefer Moxnews.   

I prefer Susan's news. The reporters we have here are great! Most of it is completely relevant to me.