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Dr Zukowski FFS adventure! A WIP w/ pics!

Started by harmonic_dissonance, November 19, 2012, 04:49:11 PM

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harmonic_dissonance

Alrighty, so go ahead and skip this first bit if you don't feel like reading a bunch of rambling!

... after a lot of consideration and brainstorming I've decided to start a thread about my planned FFS with Dr Z.  I've been reluctant because I am unsure if it is too soon to post this, or if it makes any difference, or if it will help to alleviate my anxieties (and possibly someone else's.)  Regardless, I am going to continue on trying to do my part to depart with the community information, experiences, and reassurance as you all have done for me.  That being said there may be long periods of time between activities, however it is just here in waiting for the finale.

To begin I'll talk a little about myself, just in case anyone is wondering since I will be using this to follow up on my consultation, surgery, and pre-post occurrences.  My name is Braeley (I stole a D and added an E), I'm twenty-five years old currently and reside in Vermont.  Sometimes I dress as a woman, sometimes I dress as a man.  Clothes are clothes!  I've been undergoing hormone replacement therapy for almost five years now and had been strongly contemplating FFS ever since the beginning.  My mindset was that I would wait a year or two to see the changes in my face, then work toward altering what I couldn't deal with after.

To touch on wanting to do the FFS I'd like to cover a few things I've realized and learned from myself and other girls.  For one, the decision to undergo any alteration or cosmetic surgery (I really think it's more of a "corrective" surgery for us) is completely dependent on that person's desires.  Many have told me that I do not need or require any alteration, that I am fine the way I am, that I pass, that all is well, etc.  Yet to me when I look in the mirror and at my face I still see the shell of a boy from the past and the real me sitting behind it all waiting to burst out.  Sometimes we just want to see someone new in that mirror, someone who doesn't remind us of that past.  I think that is reasonable enough for me.

My consultation is on November the 21st, planning the surgery to be next summer, and I have a very good idea of what the doctor will suggest.  I've gotten assessments from many doctors including Spiegel, Ousterhout, Suporn, Cardenas, and Bensimon to name a few.  Deciding on who you want to trust with your face is very difficult and a personal thing, but what got me through it was my gut feeling.  Little things have done it for me from the quickness to respond to my inquiries to how I am handled during calls, being able to laugh and joke and be light-hearted with staff.

And now the meat of it.  I'm predicting my procedures would be along the lines of:

- Jaw/chin recontouring.
- Brow reduction/shave.
- Feminization rhinoplasty.
- Cheek augmentation.
- Trachael shave.


This could be more or less than others, maybe some think I won't need it to look fine, but I feel that it is something I strongly desire.  Again, I am doing this for myself and for myself only.  I think someone said to me here, "You look great unless you're not showing us something."  It made me smile because I know for sure there is a lot of little/big somethings!  I think that by showing others my truly nightmarish assessment photos it might make someone feel better about themselves or whatever.  I'm not very clever forgive me!

Let's get this show on the road ladies and bust out my no make-up, no hair-do mugshots!

Front Before


Side Before


Comments, suggestions, ideas, backrubs?  Feel free to let me know and I will keep everyone posted who is interested!  For now though it's time for a nice bubble bath and the greasiest food I can grip my mittens around.  Gosh, the pictures are almost enough to give me an anxiety attack, haha!
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VickyMI

I have had FFS consults with Dr O, Z and S. for your dear all I'd suggest is a lip lift. It's about 3k to 4k and it's done in office local anastesia.

Sorry but that would be my suggestion since you asked.
Happy T Gurl living as Vicky half time.
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Penny Gurl

I'm excited that you started this thread.  I think that if (more like when) I go the FFS route I'm going want to go to Dr.Z since for me he's also local.  Can't wait for the updates!
"My dad and I used to be pretty tight. The sad truth is, my breasts have come between us."

~Angela~
My So-Called Life
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eli77

Quote from: harmonic_dissonance on November 19, 2012, 04:49:11 PM
Gosh, the pictures are almost enough to give me an anxiety attack, haha!

^^ This is why I did facial surgery. I had the same: "you pass, you look fine, you don't need it, blah blah," comments before I did it. Was totally worth it. Still have some issues with how I look, but it's way, way better. People don't always realize you aren't doing it for everyone else, you're doing it for you, to be comfortable with your own body.

You do what you need to do for your mental health.

I personally went with Spiegel, but I've heard lots of good things about Dr. Z. I'm sure you'll look (more) beautiful.
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Stephe

Quote from: harmonic_dissonance on November 19, 2012, 04:49:11 PM

And now the meat of it.  I'm predicting my procedures would be along the lines of:

- Jaw/chin recontouring.
- Brow reduction/shave.
- Feminization rhinoplasty.
- Cheek augmentation.
- Trachael shave.



Well I'm not sure what brow work would do, you have almost no brow ridge now. I agree the nose could be femmed up. Maybe a trachea shave? I wouldn't bother with the rest YMMV.
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dejan160

i agree with Sophe,

Your brow looks feminine enough. Lip lift +1, ear pin, chin, nose and chick implants. and perhaps the adam apple.
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bullwinklle

You look great now, you've got a lot of very feminine features, and any FFS you have will add to that. But I agree with your assessment: do the procedures you think are right and do them because you want them. We can only tell you what we think will make you look good to us, but your own feelings about your face should trump that.

I, too, think Dr. Z is a great choice, and I'm scheduled with him in February.
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harmonic_dissonance

Sorry for the late replies, I actually fell asleep in front of the fireplace on accident yet again.  Good thing it's gas and enclosed or I'd be a crispy critter.  :X

VickyMI
I never even thought to consider a lip lift.  I'll see what Dr Z has to say and consider if it's worth it!  No need to feel sorry about suggestions I asked for, thank you for the input as well!

Penny Gurl
Awesome!  I hope it will keep turning out more and more.  If you get to see the doc before me tell us how it goes, pleeeeaaaase?  I'm also excited/anxious!

Sarah7
It's so nice that I can relate to someone about it now, thank you!  Several people I know have gone to both Suporn and Spiegel for their FFS and I just wasn't magnetized to either.  Not that they are bad surgeons (the opposite really) but gut feelings, yadda yadda!

Stephe
I appreciate the input!  I'm still floating about on the brow personally.  Sometimes I see it prominently, other times it seems less so.  Then again it's a bit difficult to see your profile constantly without mirrors and wizard magic, haha.

swan
All good!  I was suggested an ear pin by Suporn but honestly the ears are a tad of a novelty.  I can't look too perfect afterwards, buahaha... I jest, I jest.

NekoKoNeko
Guh, I am so thrilled for you!  You're making it to the finish line before me, so you better let me know how it goes! -nudge nudge- 
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Stephe

I have spent a lot of time looking at womens brow bones, after reading here how "freaked" many people are about them. Yes some women have none, some have more that I do. I agree for some MTF with large brow bones, yes this is needed. I don't think you need to have none for your face to look fem. I have noticed most women do have smaller noses then men, less wide and most are more turned up. This also will change how you lips look and to an extent how big your chin looks. Narrower nostrils will make your cheeks appear fuller too. It's all about balance.

The other thing to consider besides cost is recovery time and risks. My nose (no bone work) had a down time of about 10 days. The pictures 10 days post op don't look a lot different than I do today. No bruising or ugly stitches. The worst part was recovering from the anesthesia and maybe the internal stitches inside my nose. Those dissolved within a couple of weeks. I was on pain meds for 2 days, then advil was enough. No numbness etc. Also the longer you are under, the longer recovery from that will take and the more risk you are taking. Yes there is some money to be saved doing "everything at once" but only if you do go back and get everything. I was initially going to do my nose and thinking later go back and get some chin work. After seeing the results of just my nose, I was happy and stopped there.

But only you can decide how bad these things bother you or which parts really do. For me, now when I look in the mirror, I see girl. Even in the morning with no makeup. That at least was my goal and I feel like I reached it. Like all women, we can try for perfection and pick our appearance to death. I'm happy to be a fairly attractive women and that's good enough for me.
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harmonic_dissonance

I'm really glad you responded again Stephe and took the time to share your experiences.  The thought of being under more than say 4-6 hours terrifies the pants off me.  I really hope that isn't normal but I seem to keep coming across all those horror stories over and over.  The risk is worth it to me because honestly if I found out right now at this very moment with absolute certainty I could never get the surgery in the entirety of my life... I'd likely end up taking the easy way out, cough!

Recovery and down time isn't a terribly huge issue for me, but obviously I don't want to be shacked up and incapacitated for ages.  I've already decided the parts of my face that break my heart the most and don't care a terrible much about other things.  I am and remain open to speculation/examination/recommendation/somethingation though, just out of consideration!

All I want is to be able to look in the mirror and be like, "Oh hey a girl!"  Instead of, "OH LAWD WHAT THE EFF IS THAT, HNNNG!"  And it makes me happy that seeing yourself and being happy with yourself is something you're able to experience!   :D
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Stephe

Quote from: harmonic_dissonance on November 20, 2012, 12:28:40 AM
I've already decided the parts of my face that break my heart the most and don't care a terrible much about other things.

Well then fix what bothers you. Honestly with me, other people, including my doc were saying "but what about your ____?". All I could see in every picture of myself was "OMG my nose is ugly and it is totally a guys nose -right- in the middle of my face!" The rest was like "well yeah, sorta, I guess" so I left all of that alone. Like you said about your ears, that doesn't bother you and I didn't even notice that until someone else mentioned it. We do need to remain unique and not try to rubber stamp our face into a mold of -This is what a female should look like-.

I guess what I'm saying is fix the parts that "break your heart" and leave alone the parts you don't care a terrible much about.
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Charley Bea(EmeraldP)

Best of luck with your consultation harmonic


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Jamie D

Quote from: harmonic_dissonance on November 20, 2012, 12:28:40 AM
I'm really glad you responded again Stephe and took the time to share your experiences.  The thought of being under more than say 4-6 hours terrifies the pants off me.  I really hope that isn't normal but I seem to keep coming across all those horror stories over and over.  The risk is worth it to me because honestly if I found out right now at this very moment with absolute certainty I could never get the surgery in the entirety of my life... I'd likely end up taking the easy way out, cough!

Recovery and down time isn't a terribly huge issue for me, but obviously I don't want to be shacked up and incapacitated for ages.  I've already decided the parts of my face that break my heart the most and don't care a terrible much about other things.  I am and remain open to speculation/examination/recommendation/somethingation though, just out of consideration!

All I want is to be able to look in the mirror and be like, "Oh hey a girl!"  Instead of, "OH LAWD WHAT THE EFF IS THAT, HNNNG!"  And it makes me happy that seeing yourself and being happy with yourself is something you're able to experience!   :D

When all is said and done, I think you are going to be spectacular.
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Violet Bloom

As I've mentioned to a couple others before, personality counts for a lot and you seem to have it in spades.  Best of luck!

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harmonic_dissonance

Alrighty, consultation update time!

So I got to chat today with the good doctor and it was beyond enjoyable.  I'll tell you that he is very explanatory going as far as to inform and compare various procedures for you.  He was very professional and obviously reflected his knowledge/experience in the field, more so than I'd expected.  I was extremely impressed!  Never once did I find him blunt (however maybe that's just because I have thick skin) nor did he try to pressure me into committing to his suggestions.  Every recommendation was followed as an option in his opinion, which works for me!

The best part about it was that the man has an amusing sense of humour and is very down-to-earth.  The last bit of our conversation was honestly about his times hanging out in Vermont and neat places to visit around the area.  We laughed, joked about, and generally talked to each other as you would an acquaintance over coffee.  This is definitely why I decided to choose Dr Zukowski!

PS - I asked him about his infamous nose pinch which he will delightfully oblige, haha.

Now, an update on the procedures and pricing?  Oh my!  Hold onto your bloomers, here it comes:

Most of the crap I need, lol:
- Brow ridge.
- Nose.
- Chin / Jaw.
- Trachea.
Spacebux = 24,000 gibblybits

Optional doomaflitchies:
- Cheeks.
- Ears!  (Yes, you were right.  +10 pts)
Spacebux = 4,000 gibblybits

The pricing is locked in for the rest of this year as well as all of next year, which is terribly convenient for me.  Now I am waiting for the god awful DVD I keep hearing about to arrive in my mail bin so I can cure my insomnia, haha.  My normal sleep schedule is pretty awful so I had to wake up rather early in the morning for my phone consultation yet I also went to sleep very early in the morning.  So now it is time for me to eat my breakfast and go to sleep (isn't that backwards?)  Come here cereal.

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JamieShines

I had FFS and BA  by Dr. Zukowski back in May 2006. I have no complaints. Anyone have any questions message me  @ jamieshines@yahoo.com
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Chinwork_soon

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on December 02, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
I had him do revisionary FFS  winter of 2011 and ever since I have had nothing but issues. I wanted the lower jawline burred down to make it more narrow.  Dr. O had done the sliding genioplasty originally when I had my FFS done,  so there was a plate put in.  He insisted it needed to be taken out for it to be narrowed.  He didnt even take out all of the screws!..Ive had a series of infection, swollen-ness, bumps (which now i have on on the left part of the chin area that is very irritated and I can feel it pulling on the left side of my lip).  He made an irregular incision on my neck that is oh.. about 3-1/2" long).  My chin now instead of having the curved bump that is normal to the chin is now actually receding.   He said that making that incision would make it less likely to hit nerve, funny though that I have much less feeling then I did before the revisionary was done.  This is just a fraction of what I have had to go through.  I have traveled there again last spring for him to hopefully fix this, but nothing..He did another TS where I live..same issues.  He will not go into the gumline to work on you, so you will be left with a long scar on your neck that will most likely not even be straight.  I have pictures.   You are not going to like what you see, but you make your decision.  I am going back to Dr O to hopefully correct this, which is costing me close to what he charges for full FFS, but I can not go on looking like this.  I had this done almost a year now and it is still looking pretty bad. I personally would go with Dr O., who had done my original FFS.  Anyone want know exactly what I have had issues with..pm me.  I advise to really think this over.  Having a good bedside manor will not get you what you want. /color]

but how can he remove your screws from your sliding genioplasty? the screws hold your chin in place, no? since DR o is the most aggressive with bone work, hadnt you considered that the amount of bone removed was already the maximum limit? im sorry your going through this but since im still deciding between dr and dr z fr my chin work i would like to know more, thanx.
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Chinwork_soon

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on December 04, 2012, 03:05:24 AM
I had a consult with Dr Z to see if the lower jawline could be narrowed and the chin shortened a bit about 10-11 months ago.  Dr. Z at the time of the consult said that the plate had to be removed to do this and that it was making it also look bulkier. I was a little leery but he was very sure that the plate had to be taken out to accomplish this. The plate is screwed into the bone..It is just unscrewed to remove the plate.  The bone was fused, as it had been 3yrs since Dr. O did the original FFS. He (Dr Z) left some screws in, as I just had a pre-op appointment with Dr O and had to get digital x-rays and it showed  there were screws left in the bone that he didnt remove.  If i knew how to upload a few pics I would. I can go into more detail, but not on an open forum.  I can send you pics, which will show the scar I now have that is irregular and the many problems I have had.  You can do with what you wish with my experience.
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im new at this forum i cant send you pvt message u. can you email me? as33L@hotmail.com  thanx
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Chinwork_soon

ok, i wont quote u. im still waiting for your email. thanx  :)
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dejan160

Quote from: Michelle Hayden on December 05, 2012, 04:11:57 AM
Please can you remove the quotes?  I think it will be better if someone interested in seeing to just pm me and I will email before and after pics so they can see what has happened.  I do not want to highjack this poster's thread.  I will email you.


Michelle I have been following your posts and I think you are persuing perfection. The thing is that you can always look better no matter what do you look like. In general people like you believe that their life will change after they accomplish a certain looks. The truth is that the same things will be happening to you no matter what do you look like, only the way you see yourself will change. Undergoing revisions always holds higher risk then the original surgery. I think that you are already stunning and you should talk to your therapist about your surgery obsession. This is meant to be a very constructive comment and please take it that way.

Hugs,

Anna
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