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Belgian discovers his wife used to be a man after 19 years

Started by Keroppi, November 26, 2012, 09:07:49 AM

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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: DianaP on November 27, 2012, 04:44:09 PM
Alright, I can respect your opinion, but just try to consider her side of the story. After all, it technically is her business whether she wants to disclose to anyone or not. She knew the risks and got hit hard, but that doesn't change the fact that disclosure was ultimately her choice.

As I yours. But I firmly believe that just because it's her business doesn't mean it's not any of his. Maybe it's like a victim of AIDS, although the situation is different it's also very similar. Generally, this would be their business and no one else's, but would you say the same if this person did not disclose to their partner before intimacy, or even, before the relationship was serious? The reason this person won't tell is simple, because they know afterwards the other person will reject them, it's simply not right to be in a relationship where you're forced to keep dangerous secrets else the other person won't stay with you.

Quote from: Tesla on November 27, 2012, 04:09:24 PM
But the question I have is why she chose an unreconstructed neanderthal to have a relationship with.

You want my stereotypical and somewhat judgemental answer? :P I know many Asian women such as my mother who seek out much older or geeky-looking white men out of ambition, either for a green-card and/or because she expects him to take care of her. That's not to say she didn't love him, maybe she did, but I suspect that's how she got interested. She was half his age and he brought her to Belgium, so it wouldn't surprise me. My mother is a moron who keeps rude and insulting friends because they do things for her, but that's another story.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on November 27, 2012, 05:54:58 PM
As I yours. But I firmly believe that just because it's her business doesn't mean it's not any of his. Maybe it's like a victim of AIDS, although the situation is different it's also very similar. Generally, this would be their business and no one else's, but would you say the same if this person did not disclose to their partner before intimacy, or even, before the relationship was serious? The reason this person won't tell is simple, because they know afterwards the other person will reject them, it's simply not right to be in a relationship where you're forced to keep dangerous secrets else the other person won't stay with you.

Well, unlike AIDS, you can't catch ->-bleeped-<-, and it doesn't lead to a slow and painful death to those that do catch it. ->-bleeped-<- stays with you and you being trans won't hurt anyone.

I get that it's bad to be in a relationship where someone can't accept you for who you are, but the point is that you never know. The nicest guy could have one flaw: a hatred of trans individuals, and it wouldn't come up until the issue is present. Some people aren't willing to take the chance of losing someone he/she loves over something so unfair.
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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: DianaP on November 27, 2012, 06:01:00 PM
The nicest guy could have one flaw: a hatred of trans individuals, and it wouldn't come up until the issue is present. Some people aren't willing to take the chance of losing someone he/she loves over something so unfair.

That one flaw is a very bad flaw. It's part of who this woman is, and this nice nice guy hates what she is. He's not worth being with, and the woman he's been dating should know better.
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Kevin Peña

I understand; it's just that she didn't and couldn't know of his prejudices.
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~RoadToTrista~

Tis why it's best to get it out of the way before too much time passes. It's no secret that a large percentage of guys would have a problem with it.
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Shantel

The relationship was built on dishonesty which is invariably a prescription for a train wreck.
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Dahlia

WHY denying a man his basic right TO KNOW who he marries?? He has his very own sexual orientation!

The guy wound up in a psychiatric hospital after finding out.

It's cruel and totally SELFCENTERED.
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Beth Andrea

Sexual orientation is not the same thing as transgendered.

I was talking to an adult male relative who is very accepting of me, uses proper pronouns, etc but when I asked him about this story, the first thing he said was, "I wonder if she'd take a hit the same as when she was a man!" while air-boxing.

He's not a Neanderthal, either...or a hater. All of us know how very intimate and personal ones sexuality is, and to a cis-person it isn't easy to separate body and mind, especially as we've experienced it. They see themselves as being rock-solid (no pun intended) hereto male, and suddenly being confronted with a person who isn't as they expected can lead to an emotional response.

Better to tell earlier than later, imho.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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peky

Monica committed adultery, a treason, an immoral act on my book

The immoral guy dumped his first wife for the nanny he bought back east, now that the mail-order bride has eloped with other dudes, he is crying foul.


He is going to be the butt of jokes until he dies, she is going to get deported, serves them both well for their wickedness

:police:
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~RoadToTrista~

Tis a bit weird. Didn't he meet her family? Didn't he care to know what her life had been like prior to meeting him? Did she to him?
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Dahlia

Quote from: Beth Andrea on November 28, 2012, 01:35:49 PM
Sexual orientation is not the same thing as transgendered.



Being transgendered is not the same thing as being a ciswoman.
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Kupcake

For the sake of exploring this, why don't we conduct a thought experiment and remove birth sex, current sex, and gender from this story.  Just to consider how much of a factor these things really are.

A person in a wealthy nation leaves their partner and fellow parent to their children for their domestic servant.  This servant is a foreign national who is brought to the wealthy nation at great expense.  They marry.  After about twenty years, their marriage begins to break down due to two issues.  The younger partner possibly has been frequenting bars and cheating on their spouse.  The younger partner also has been spending increasing amounts of time working for herself.  When these issues come to a boiling point, their relationship comes to an explosive end.

We could point out a lot of possible dynamics at play here.  To start with, lets look at our older partner.  He left his wife for their much younger servant.  Interestingly, he seems to have a habit of leaving women once their age and the duration of their marriage hits a certain point.  We could very easily say he's simply the kind of man who cannot maintain a relationship with a woman past middle age.  Some men require a young-looking woman by their side to feed their ego.  Or maybe what he really wanted was somebody to serve him and dote on him, which is why he divorced the first wife and married her in the first place.  It would make sense.  She started as his maid, and apparently her new full time job was a huge stress on him.  Or maybe none of that is true.  Maybe his first wife was simply bad for him, and maybe his current anger (though the violence is unjustifiable) is a legitimate response to his wife cheating.

Look at our younger partner.  She married a 48 year-old man when she was 32, knowing that he divorced his older wife to get to her.  It's possible she didn't really think through the realities of marrying a man twenty years older.  He would be slowing down sexually and physically at an age where she might want to still be going out on the town, and she didn't consider the consequences of her decision.  It's also possible she knew that and didn't care, that the reason which pushed her over the edge and convinced her to marry him was the lure of a stable life in a wealthy nation.  Regardless, she apparently did frequent bars and nightclubs and sometimes cavorted with other men.  Whatever the case, she had clear disrespect and disregard for his feelings.  Or maybe she had to act this way.  Maybe he was a controlling man who loved her when she was his submissive maid but was filled with rage when she began to become independent.  Maybe finding comfort in the arms of other men in secret was her only way out.

None of that even touches the trans issue.  Yeah, it's all blind speculation.  Just trying to illuminate the range of possibilities.

I'm not saying either one is sinner or saint.  I honestly just see this as a relationship which is profoundly broken on many levels, independent of her trans issues.  And this is going to be one of those brutal, messy divorces, something cis people are equally prone to.  Some people just want revenge when their serious relationships end, up to and including any kind of public humiliation or legal extortion they can inflict.  I just see his trans comments as a petty attack on her, and his hiring of a lawyer as a spiteful attempt to exact vengeance.  I don't think trans issues are the key points here.
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Keroppi

Something else to consider, what are the chances he actually did know about her history but was okay with it and are only now using it in an attempt to get the marriage annulled rather than through a divorce so that he wouldn't have to pay alimony that he might otherwise have to pay?
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Shantel

Kupcake's probable scenario is no doubt the most viable so far because it is something we see continually repeated in the modern world. Kupcake has pinpointed the dynamics and the motives that are so atypical in both males and females in a crumbling relationship of this particular nature! I can't count the number of times women have admitted to me that they were single and that their husband of 20 to 40 years has run off with a young bimbo. The younger woman isn't stupid, they know right up front that the man is a commitment fraud and will probably do the same thing to her when something younger, prettier and more buxom comes along. How many times has a former maid or nanny seen the wanderlust of their employer's husband as an opportunity to escape from a dreary life to something better? I would think that both the male and the female in this case are culpable!
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pretty pauline

Quote from: Kupcake on November 29, 2012, 03:45:48 AM
For the sake of exploring this, why don't we conduct a thought experiment and remove birth sex, current sex, and gender from this story.  Just to consider how much of a factor these things really are.

None of that even touches the trans issue.    I don't think trans issues are the key points here.
Your absolutely right, I agree 100%, its nothing to do with being trans, but he is using it as an excuse, instead of all the other issues, he says that after discovering her history from 19years before, he is using the ''trans issue'' to get wider support, so he doesn't get my support.
But she was foolish to behave the way she did, theres a pair of them in it.
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Jayr on November 29, 2012, 10:19:05 AM
And if I did choose to stay and maybe give our relationship another try,
she'd better strap on her ass kissing boots and be very determined to get me back,
cause the road ahead wouldn't be an easy one.

Sounds a bit harsh. As long as she's a good person, I wouldn't mind her keeping her trans status a secret. I believe this is referred to as living "stealth." It's understandable, in my opinion.
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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: pretty pauline on November 29, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
Your absolutely right, I agree 100%, its nothing to do with being trans, but he is using it as an excuse, instead of all the other issues, he says that after discovering her history from 19years before, he is using the ''trans issue'' to get wider support, so he doesn't get my support.
But she was foolish to behave the way she did, theres a pair of them in it.

You can't simply remove gender from the equation, it's part of the equation. It's odd how you guys are saying "oh, he knew all along but pretended not to," or "He's just making an excuse for his already failing marriage". Sure his marriage was failing, but those reasons are petty compared to this. Most people, trans friendly or not, would be devastated by this, it isn't a light manner at all. Why would you think that being trans has nothing to do with it when it's clearly a big deal? It's seems to me that saying "he's making excuses" is grasping at straws.
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Keroppi

Quote from: ~RoadToTrista~ on November 29, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
You can't simply remove gender from the equation, it's part of the equation. It's odd how you guys are saying "oh, he knew all along but pretended not to," ....
Erm, I didn't say that. I asked what do people here think the chances are ...?

There's no evidence to suggest that were the case but the chance is definitely not zero.
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=celestica=

My ahem *lover* (not official boyfriend..working on that) looooooooves my parts.
Hes a bit of a ->-bleeped-<- if you ask me.

And he also wouldnt mind if i got SRS(would never)
But he said if i was post op and the whole time we were together i never told him of my past and he had to find out he said he would kick my ass.

So a punch is nothing for her.
Its the least she deserves lolol.
Dont hide crap like that.
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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: Keroppi on November 29, 2012, 03:56:17 PM
Erm, I didn't say that. I asked what do people here think the chances are ...?

There's no evidence to suggest that were the case but the chance is definitely not zero.

I don't think it's likely, lol, but you never know. Seems far-fetched.
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