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Started by kenton_07, December 02, 2012, 05:42:02 PM

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kenton_07

I'm attending community college right now but I will be transferring to a 4 year school after graduating in May. I have a strong interest in joining a fraternity. Not really sure why but I just think it seems like a lot of fun. Has anyone had experience in this area?I'm just not really sure how to go about it in regards to telling them about myself or how I should, if I even should. I have had top surgery and everything and I'm stealth when I can. As long as I don't run into people who know me from who I used to be, I'm just a regular guy.
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Jamison

Depending on the frat, I wouldn't disclose. At that age, in that environment, seems like it would do more harm than good. And if you live in house and it turns on you, it could make your living situation vulnerable. By all means, pursue greek life, but I'd tread lightly on whether to out yourself. It's all circumstantial.
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DriftingCrow

I think it might depend on the school that you're going to and the city. Some places (like central Mass) are extremely accepting of LGBT people, so it might not be too bad if people find out, but I think I'd still be uncomfortable with the idea of frat brothers finding out. I think there's even LGBT fraternities, but that's probably not an option for you if you're going stealth as a straight man.

You could always try to e-mail the frat leader (or whatever they're called) and ask how they'd deal with a trans member; and use a fake name and e-mail address just in case you still want to join stealth.
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mm

kenton_07,  I would be very careful and think everything through if you intend to stay
stealth.  Frat guys do lots of activities, some barechested.  Are you on T now?
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kenton_07

Yes I've been on T for about a year and a half now. I have also had top surgery but I do not have any scars except for just around the areola but I am going to get my areola's reconstructed soon but you can barely see the scars anyway. I have gotten my gender marker changed and I am in the process of changing my name, I am just waiting to hear from the judge.
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mangoslayer

Just a warning, lots of frats have hazing that involves getting naked. Completely. I'm not saying that should stop you, but just be aware.
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kenton_07

I did contact the director of greek life at the college and apparently all should go smoothly. If I decide to rush, which I think I will, I will be sure to post the experience later on in case anyone else is interested.
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tekla

I spent half of my life on college campuses and like most people who have done that kind of time in the college/university environment I'd do away with all of them yesterday if I could.  Really, you want to spend some of the best years of your life finding a bunch of guys who dress alike and following them around until you all think alike too?  The best thing about them as far as I was concerned was that frats acted like a magnet does with iron filings for the least desirable students so that we could then segregate them into a golden ghetto and isolate them into Greek Only activities and very effectively keep them (and their values) away from the real students.
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kenton_07

Quote from: tekla on December 04, 2012, 11:58:19 PM
I spent half of my life on college campuses and like most people who have done that kind of time in the college/university environment I'd do away with all of them yesterday if I could.  Really, you want to spend some of the best years of your life finding a bunch of guys who dress alike and following them around until you all think alike too?  The best thing about them as far as I was concerned was that frats acted like a magnet does with iron filings for the least desirable students so that we could then segregate them into a golden ghetto and isolate them into Greek Only activities and very effectively keep them (and their values) away from the real students.

I think it depends on which college/university you attend. At the college I'm looking to join a fraternity at, greek life isn't that prominent but it is still there. I also just feel that being a part of a brotherhood is something I would really enjoy being a part of because it makes me feel more male just knowing I'm accepted by all of these other guys. Also, greek life can broaden your job choices and they also do community service. I'm just looking to have some fun and the greek life at this school is not dominating, but there is still a presence.
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tekla

Contrary to their own opinions Greek Life does not dominate any university.  They are - by their own ethos - apart from, not a part of.  And because they are are exclusionary, isolating, and elitist they violate the mission, meaning, and purpose of Higher Education in America and not  a part of what's really going on.  The fact that they often think that 'dominance' thing is just part of how they are perhaps one of the best real world examples of The Emperor's New Clothes, all strutting about thinking your everything and a slice of cheese when, in fact, everyone else thinks your a dolt.

So they don't dominate the university, but they do dominate your life, and the lives of the other members, filling just about every free second with Greek Life and Greek Activities.  It becomes the alpha-omega of all your time.

They have been very positive experiences for some, but those people are a thin minority and not the majority of Greeks.

But, I don't want you to let my observations discourage you, you should check it out, perhaps it's just what you need.  It does help a few people after all, you might be one of them.  College after all is about finding out what does, and what does not work as part of your life.



I also just feel that being a part of a brotherhood is something I would really enjoy being a part of because it makes me feel more male just knowing I'm accepted by all of these other guys.
I'm down with that, in fact I'd say that those things in my life that would constitute being a part of brotherhood of men being men (though often including women, but you get the idea) are among the best things in my life.  However, in the real world such things are earned, not merely bought.  Things like being a Navy SEAL, or Phi Beta Kappa/Phi Kappa Phi, or a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company are not the same as being TKE.  Frats are a manufactured brotherhood, not a real one.

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kenton_07

I've just so far had fun hanging out with guys that are in fraternities at schools away from home and hearing their stories and everything made me really interested. Also, my dad was in a men's fraternity when he was in college. It is just something I really want to experience and I plan on having friends outside of the fraternity as well. Some schools are more intense about greek life than others but this school just seems like the perfect amount for me.
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jojoglowe

i can't agree more with tekla. your observations match mine 100% I went to school, graduated, and still live on a campus of the largest university in ohio. the greeks sure are a strange bunch. if i had to boil down my impressions of them it would be this:

these are the kids who didn't party in highschool. they act and party like i did when i was in highschool. by the time i got to university i was ready to learn something. i am lucky and had/have a huge social network of friends and didn't need the frats for that.

i would recommend that you stay safe and don't lose yourself. Remember that the frat isn't your entire life, it's just a social click. if you ever get bored with the frat life you should check out the musician and artists' scenes. That is where i spent my time and wouldn't trade it for anything. The best times were when we'd get booked playing house or bar shows and even the frat kids would come to enjoy.

have a great time in college and know that you can go from a 2.18 first quarter to a 3.3 with little effort. of corse, YMMV.

Cheers!

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kenton_07

I do understand where you both are coming from. I initially thought that way before my transition as well and I know I will meet people who aren't the greatest in the fraternities. I'm not even 100% sure if I will rush yet either. I'm just interested in it right now and want to explore it before making a decision.

I mostly just wanted to hear peoples opinions on how being transgender would affect me if I wanted to join. I probably wouldn't "out" myself because I have had top surgery and I've been on T for about a year and a half now. I was just wondering if it would really be that bad if I kept this to myself instead of telling them. I just feel at this point that I don't have to tell anyone about my transition unless I was going to be intimate with them.
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