Anime....manga

[Annah]

Unfortunately with manga, a lot of the stuff that makes it over to english licensing tends to be the shonen (young man/teen) variety.  Gratuitous panty shots, faces in cleavage and other juvenile hijinks are common tropes - keeps those young boys coming back for more, and unfortunately it's the sort of material that sells best.

maybe

but I usually see grown up trans women who post those types of anime pics all over their facebooks...not young boys lol

[Shang]

maybe

but I usually see grown up trans women who post those types of anime pics all over their facebooks...not young boys lol

You should look at different FB pages like "Kanto Region Red". It's exclusively run by teens and they post a lot of the upskirt shots...or just look at my FB newsfeed.  A lot of my male friends post it, but a fair bit of the female friends.  It's weird to me, but I can't say much as I constantly post yaoi pictures. >.>

[Carbon]

maybe

but I usually see grown up trans women who post those types of anime pics all over their facebooks...not young boys lol

They tend to for some reason be more popular with western adults who like anime, too, even though there is anime specifically aimed at adults that would not be appropriate for young children (and no I don't mean porn but yes that exists). And some shonen doesn't have panty shots and stuff (like Yu Yu Hakusho didn't do it at all that I remember, Naruto that's running now tended not to except on "filler shows" that weren't based on the manga), the constants are basically a focus on fighting and other tropes like that.

There's also seinen, which is aimed at male college aged people and where panty shots are almost guaranteed, but there tends to be a greater focus on the story and they tend to be more realistic. If you don't mind panty shots there is sometimes stuff to like here, but if you do mind then the good stuff won't make up for it.

Then there's shoujo which is aimed at young girls and doesn't really have a western equivalent, it tends to focus on relationships, friends, family, etc. A lot of them are about people in schools but they don't have to be. I watched several episodes of a show that are about a girl who finds a space baby and its robot caretaker. She has to raise the baby with an acceptance from school (who she secretly has a crush on ) until it can go back to its home planet and be with its family. I lost interest after a while but it is aimed at children. I did love Fruits Basket which was aimed more at early teen girls.

And then there are other kinds that fit into a different category or defy classification. But the vast majority of focus in the west is on shonen stuff with the occasional foray into mecha (giant robots, think gundam) or magical girl shows (like sailor moon).

I'm told that in Japan proper anime is kind of a nich thing outside of childrens shows but people are as likely to read manga as they are to read a newspaper when they're waiting on the bus or whatever. No guarantees about how true that is.

For things pleasantly devoid of panty shots I could mention Monster (about a doctor who leaves his profession to hunt down a sociopath whose crimes the government believes he committed), Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Crest of the Stars (last two are sci-fi), etc. There's a lot of stuff people would think sounds interesting if they didn't know it was anime.

I could also mention basically anything by CLAMP, which is an all female anime studio. A lot of the things are aimed at young people but they're good things aimed at young people and they take certain popular themes (fighting with [insert creature/machine/etc], three- typically male- character archetypes go through a video game esque plot using weapons and magic powers, etc) and give them female leads and make them more relateable to girls. They do more than just that, though, including some popular shows with male leads like Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle. I wish I had known about their stuff when I younger because there are a lot pretty solid stuff for children and teens. Xxxholic, about spirits and the supernatural, is one of the things by them that might be interesting to older people that I liked very much.

Everything you wanted to know about anime and much, much, more I guess.

[Kevin Peña]

Anime? Manga? What ever happened to comic books?! This is the western hemisphere, dangnabit! 

Of course, comics are guilty of... trashy costumes, but...



I see London, I see France... 

[Lesley_Roberta]

I feel your pain Annah, no really I do.

I love anime to death, BUT, I do wish the sex service just wasn't there.

I love the romance animes and all the incredible silly love triangles and worse. But, why, why do they have to beat the hell out of some jokes.

Panty shots, ok it's not the end of the world, but, how many panty shots are really needed?

And of course it isn't just panty shots, it's boob shots and lately everyone gets in a snit of they don't show the nipple. And in the last couple of years, heck it is just light weight hentai aka soft porn. I mean come on damn it.

I know if you go to the beach, in real life, you see a LOT more female under the swim suit than you will see with a girl with just underwear and bra on, but somehow panties are magical. OMG I saw her undies! It makes me wonder, how do the horny teen males survive a day at the beach. OMG her swimsuit covers almost nothing.

I get annoyed when ordinary film obsesses over sex scenes too. I recall watching the war movie Enemy at the Gates, (battle of Stalingrad) and when the couple end up screwing in about the least acceptable location and it's down with her pants up with her ass and she starts riding this guy in the sequence while basically in a location with countless other persons, in the middle of a battle zone. I almost lost it. DID WE REALLY NEED A SEX SCENE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS WAR MOVIE?!!

I don't hate comic books, I am simply not paying the price of a paper back for 20 pages of comic style artwork. I was of the opinion 25 cents was the absolute limit (opps showing my age there).

I tolerate the idiocy of anime, because at least when I am not enduring the bouncing boobies, and flashed undies and shower scenes and bath scenes and lately any reason will do nude scenes, at least there is a story (even if some shows, the story is just to break up the pointless nudity sequences). Cartoons seem to be all slapstick, and while I like humour, I don't want it to be nothing but.

The only non anime animation I have any interest in, is the stuff of the sort like Shrek.

I don't usually expend any time on comic type literature though. All of my books are all text.

[Lesley_Roberta]

It should be mentioned though, a lot of the producers of anime/manga, are females.

The princess of manga Rumiko Takahashi, is a female. She knows full well how to grab a male reader's attentions. I suppose if you think of it as 'I need to make sales, what generates sales?' the answer is anything that amuses horny male teens. I recall those years.

[Seb]

You have to realize this is something within Japanese culture... We can't impose on that even if we don't like it. I'm sure many people hate the fact American films always shove romance and sex into every single piece of media. Honestly there are a lot of anime that have nothing to do with fan service, you're only seeing one genre of it and we're just trying to educate not shove it down your throat.

[Kevin Peña]

I don't like the distasteful female depictions in anime//comics, but remember that males are also victims of some unfair depictions, too. They're always some very good looking, maybe buff guy. The only reason there isn't as much male exposure (which is A LOT if you ever read DC) as female exposure is because of sales. Exposed skin is just what guys happen to like, just like how a lot of girls like muscles on men. It's a different kind of unfairness simply due to the fact that men are easier to get going with a simple flash.   

Of course, most anime//comics have no panty shots or nudity. 

I know I defend men a lot, but don't take that as me favoring them. The reason I defend men is the same reason that I, as a minority mind you, am against affirmative action: unfair bias is wrong, regardless of who it is targeted against.

[Annah]

i don't know...i guess if they didn't have a panty shot/boobs pouring over a tight shirt or thigh highs and a 4 inched micro mini pleated schoolgirl pic in every 7th frame of a manga comic book it would better.

And this is another thing I noticed.

The newer transgirls who are on facebook....9.8 times out of 10 their facebook avatar is some anime girl panty shot or two anime girls kissing panty shot. They send me a friend request..I deny it:

1. I have no idea who they are. Trans or not
2. I'm very stealth and a person with a anime panty shot with a transgender flag super imposed irks me to high heaven...it has nothing to do with a fear of me being outed but im not big into stereotypes. It's like they think "ok im a girl now....time to throw up some anime girl pics on my facebook!"

[Kevin Peña]

i don't know...i guess if they didn't have a panty shot/boobs pouring over a tight shirt or thigh highs and a 4 inched micro mini pleated schoolgirl pic in every 7th frame of a manga comic book it would better.

And this is another thing I noticed.

The newer transgirls who are on facebook....9.8 times out of 10 their facebook avatar is some anime girl panty shot or two anime girls kissing panty shot. They send me a friend request..I deny it:

1. I have no idea who they are. Trans or not
2. I'm very stealth and a person with a anime panty shot with a transgender flag super imposed irks me to high heaven...it has nothing to do with a fear of me being outed but im not big into stereotypes. It's like they think "ok im a girl now....time to throw up some anime girl pics on my facebook!"

Ok, once again, not all manga is like that, but alas, I agree that it's weird to do that on facebook. Then again, I've always thought that facebook itself was stupid. 

[concrete Building]

Dunno what transgirls you're talkin' about. The ones I know have dresses and pictures of Ash Ketchum..

[luna nyan]

I have to say that there is a bit of a race to the bottom with manga at the moment.
Somehow or rather, the crossdressing/transgender/body swap trope has invaded manga a fair bit.  For red blooded boys the "trap" trope.  I don't quite understand it as yet - something to do with even more forbidden/strange fruit so to speak?

I suspect that that has crossed over to the younger TG generation - asort of escape into fantasy to make one feel better about ones situation.  The image of a "perfect trap" that has ended up with a guy who doesn't care is a nice escape from the reality that many potential dates can't get past the TG factor when going out with a trans person.

P.S - I would agree that monster was a very good manga/anime series.  Definitely not for the kiddies.

[Hikari]

Sorry, I love reading manga and watching anime. I think the thing to realize is there are a great many genres and the ones popular here are not the only ones. Hourou Musuko is my fav, but it has nothing to do with panty shots....

[Carbon]

i don't know...i guess if they didn't have a panty shot/boobs pouring over a tight shirt or thigh highs and a 4 inched micro mini pleated schoolgirl pic in every 7th frame of a manga comic book it would better.

And this is another thing I noticed.

The newer transgirls who are on facebook....9.8 times out of 10 their facebook avatar is some anime girl panty shot or two anime girls kissing panty shot. They send me a friend request..I deny it:

1. I have no idea who they are. Trans or not
2. I'm very stealth and a person with a anime panty shot with a transgender flag super imposed irks me to high heaven...it has nothing to do with a fear of me being outed but im not big into stereotypes. It's like they think "ok im a girl now....time to throw up some anime girl pics on my facebook!"

To be fair, an anime girl picture could also be something like this.

Anyway, a lot of trans women equate femininity with sexuality and being attractive to men. It's the same way that a lot of teenage girls think and it's the same way a significant number of cis adult women think. It's also the version of femininity that's "taught" to men (who trans women were basically all seen as at one point) leading to some mixed messages for trans women growing up.

That stuff is... unfortunate but by no means ubiquitous or confined to anime. Of course I'm not on facebook so maybe things are different there. 

[Natkat]

Ok...no offense to those who like anime, manga, and my little pony....but I swear if I see another manga or have to shelf another manga I'm going to friggin scream.

Gonna get nerdy here.

just pointing out that theres ALOT of manga series,
Now I dont remember the number all exact on how many there exist, but the industri gets around 5 billion in japan only. and then we have alot of series in Europa, US, canada, Middle east, and such places.

Saying your hate all manga is like saying you hate books, or movies. because theres so many diffrent mangas theres also alot of diffrent books or movies.

I generally dont like to read books, in a way you could say I hate books, but there is a few I likes after all theres over milions of books so in there I find a few amusing.
- the same goes for manga theres so many types. in general Manga goes for every comic publiched in japan(and somethimes outside). since the old days over 800 years ago to now.

The typical mangastyle we know from today first came out when US started to put there influence to japan, and the japanese "manga-style" is inspired by disney and Amarican comis.




I do like manga, but im pretty annoyed for the fact that generally sociaty only think of 1 kind of manga. as being the right kind

Now I say this because I heard alot of people saying they hate manga, when they in fact dont hate it but they just hate a certain kind of manga type they belive is the only kind. the typical mangas who is most porpular today is manly genres like shounen and shojo, such as naruto, sailor moon, and such series.

I kinda agree on you that I dont like many of those kind of serie(but I have exeptions) its honestly not so much that I hate them but more I hate the steryotype that every time I say I read manga people think that this means I atomatically love those kind of series when in fact most of the manga series I read arnt very popular or not that type of genre.

Yes I do like manga, But I dont like naruto, I dont think it to be anything special,
generally I dont read series with alot of fight as im more into realistic drama series, but sure its not helping when your not in japan, so its only certain series they will public and manly thats what general people want and genres like seinen* and joshei*(adult genre, I spelled wrong) and such are more rare if not imposible to buy in stores.-__- *sign*
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anyway
happy new year

[Constance]

When I took an arts of the world class while working on my AA degree, I was surprised to learn that manga was not new at all. It actually goes back a very long time, and used to use more traditional art forms (as shown in Natkat's first image above). It's only after WWII that manga began changing into what it looks like currently.

I'd have to look at my notes from the class, but it seems that the original mangas often depicted animals in lighthearted scenes (at least that's what the text implied).

Still, that's a long way from upskirts and pantyshots. But even those are elements of some anime/manga, and yes it does seem to be what's commonly found in the manga section of B&N.

[Natkat]

Sorry, I love reading manga and watching anime. I think the thing to realize is there are a great many genres and the ones popular here are not the only ones. Hourou Musuko is my fav, but it has nothing to do with panty shots....

I dont like hourou musuko anymore after yoshiki turned out to be a girl =( I know its silly, but I just got so disapointed cause we never see a ftm character. its always this "I dress as a guy but im really a girl in the end" kind of series I meet. which sucks-__-..
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[Kevin Peña]

When I took an arts of the world class

Listen, if 5 differently colored lines can be considered "art" worthy of a museum, then manga is Picasso on meth. 

[Lesley_Roberta]

A girl with a sexy avatar = no big deal.

A TG with a sexy avatar = no big deal.

What confuses me, is when I go on sites that are entirely manly men haunts, and they have guys with avatars based on real world females of the super model sort. What's up with that? They want to be all tough guy, and they have a female avatar?

I have an avatar of Sailor Moon in a ski outfit, as it is just so typically Canadian anime fan oriented It's also a rare image. Most have never seen it. That, and I have this killer cute image of a real life girl with her hair emulating the hair style of a young girl in an anime. And it is an animated gif image, her pig tails bounce like they do in the anime. I use that avatar on my favourite anime forum community.

But generally speaking, my forum images usually match the forum I am on, and on a site full of old buggers talking history, the last thing I am going to be using, is something weirdly out of sync with the site.