In Christmas Speech, Pope Rants About Gender

[tekla]

Here you go Cindy.




And for the life of me I sure don't understand why we treat people who have hallucinations and visions about Bronze Age stories and Medieval Institutions as something other than what they are.  Very, very ill.  In the head.  Religion is the next great mental illness.

[V M]

And for the life of me I sure don't understand why we treat people who have hallucinations and visions about Bronze Age stories and Medieval Institutions as something other than what they are.  Very, very ill.  In the head.  Religion is the next great mental illness.

LOL... My family represents that remark 

[Shawn Sunshine]

Very, very ill.  In the head

I am not ill in the head, but the Pope is.

Jesus said it well about who his family is. Consider that 2nd law in the great commandment is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Luke 8:20-22 And he was told, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you." But he said to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it."

Matthew 12:47-49 Someone told him, "Look, your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." But to the one who had told him this, Jesus replied, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" And pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers!

What I get from this that it doesn't matter about who is in your family, whether they be blood or not, nor what gender they are. It only matters that we follow the great commandment. The Pope has seem to forgotten that.

[tekla]

The Pope - he's cool, he's the man, he's the Pope, from the Vat-ta-can - thinks/believes that God speaks personally to him.  So do you.  What's the difference?

[Cindy]

OK lets not get into personal religion stuff.

[tekla]

How exactly do you talk about religion without it being personal?  Isn't the entire point of religion all about the personal?



I mean I'm all down with all discussions dealing with religion being strictly theoretical, that's exactly how I consider it, but I bet that's not what your saying.

[Shawn Sunshine]

The Pope - he's cool, he's the man, he's the Pope, from the Vat-ta-can - thinks/believes that God speaks personally to him.  So do you.  What's the difference?

The difference? I'm posting here supporting folks who are marginalized like myself. The Pope doesn't look like he will be doing that anytime soon.

[Cindy]

Tekla

I agree that religion is a very personal thing. I'm also very conscious that some members at Susan's have religious belief that is integral to them.

I respect that as I'm sure we all do.

I like this thread but if it becomes a slang match I will step in.

I'm happy for opinions on the pope's speech I see no reason for it to become a denigration of belief and religious opinion.

[Elsa]

I felt sick when I read his comments - I can scarcely believe that a man of his post would openly make such comments.

There are some really great catholic priests and nuns who do a lot of good work for the community.

But it's people like him that make persons like myself impossible to live and exist as a Catholic.

It's because of views like these that even though I am still technically a Catholic - I am no longer one. Which leaves me without a religion although I still consider myself to be a Christian.

As a Christian - I find that the church's views on homosexuality and transgender  as wrong and unacceptable.
How can a religion founded on the principal that God is loving, kind and forgiving and created us in his own image also say that just because I am bisexual and transgender that I am doomed to go to hell?

I just don't get it. What have anyone of us done wrong - except wanting to be ourselves?

[Cindy]

Let us think before we post.

Read your post and would would it break ToS would anyone be offended for no reason? If so don't post it.

[SarahM777]

The Pope - he's cool, he's the man, he's the Pope, from the Vat-ta-can - thinks/believes that God speaks personally to him.  So do you.  What's the difference?

The biggest difference is that the Pope speaks as the voice of God and what  the pope says is as if God Himself were speaking. What other religious leader has a diplomatic corp? Name another one that countries send their leaders to as much as the pope. Name another that the press takes the amount of time to listen and print,televise,and youtube speeches and sayings from to the degree that the pope is. Name one other that is taken as seriously as the Pope. Name another that wields as much influence.
I don't about you but I think that might just be a really big difference.

[Cindy]

Lets be careful.

[Jamie D]

This comes from the mouth of Nazi man who maned a triple A gun against American bombers, just to later on claim he was forced to do it. The true Catholics in Nazi Germany did oppose the Nazis, they did not were forced to do any evil things, they did die before giving up. But not the PopenFuhrer

He distills evilness not only in his looks but in his words. In the most awful tradition of the Catholic church he willfully chooses to ignore advances on sciences.

Hopefully he will die soon

Joseph Ratzinger was a Bavarian, born in 1927.  At the age of 14, he was enlisted, by law, into the Hitler Youth.  Soon thereafter he entered the Seminary, but in 1943 was drafted into an anti-aircraft unit (age16).  The National Socialist government and war machine were struggling with manpower shortages, and forced children into the ranks.  There was no such thing as a "conscientious objector" in Nazi Germany.  If you were fit, you fought.

Which advances in science to you believe he, and/or the Catholic Church, ignore?

[V M]

Lady Gaga and all you other punks got nothin' on me

Sorry,


*Being silly*

[Kaelin]

Getting back to the original post, I would say simply that the pope is lacking in Christmas spirit.

[big kim]

He doesn't like me,I don't care

[Shana A]

I think that we must really be making significant progress toward acceptance by society to be perceived as such a threat... a few years ago we were nowhere to be found in the Pope's Christmas messages.

Z

[Kelly J. P.]

 It is always upsetting to see the triumph of hatred over love.

My opinion about the Pope and his personal beliefs is probably best left unsaid, beyond that.

[peky]

Joseph Ratzinger was a Bavarian, born in 1927.  At the age of 14, he was enlisted, by law, into the Hitler Youth.  Soon thereafter he entered the Seminary, but in 1943 was drafted into an anti-aircraft unit (age16).  The National Socialist government and war machine were struggling with manpower shortages, and forced children into the ranks.  There was no such thing as a "conscientious objector" in Nazi Germany.  If you were fit, you fought.

Which advances in science to you believe he, and/or the Catholic Church, ignore?

The advances that indicates the gender identity is biologically determined and it is not a "life style"

The advances that indicates that sexual orientation is biologically determined and it is not a "life style"

These ^^ facts are recognized by most of the world and have resulted in the promulgation of laws that protect us LGBT people

But these facts of sciences are willfully ignored by religious extremists such as the pope, Romney, and other religious terrorist 

[Kelly J. P.]

The advances that indicates the gender identity is biologically determined and it is not a "life style"

The advances that indicates that sexual orientation is biologically determined and it is not a "life style"

These ^^ facts are recognized by most of the world and have resulted in the promulgation of laws that protect us LGBT people

But these facts of sciences are willfully ignored by religious extremists such as the pope, Romney, and other religious terrorist

To be fair, these facts may not be wilfully ignored so much as they may be seen as irrelevant. One's sexual orientation may be set in stone, but this fact does not force a person to have sex with who they're attracted to. It 'merely' controls how enjoyable the activity is. Therefore, the sin is limited to having gay sex, as opposed to so little as simply being gay. A person who regularly has gay sex is then, of course,  participating in what is very much a "gay" lifestyle choice.

Beyond that is debatable. and this isn't really the right thread for debates. I don't agree with the Pope's position on this, but I can understand and respect where he is coming from.