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In Christmas Speech, Pope Rants About Gender

Started by Shana A, December 21, 2012, 07:45:56 PM

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In Christmas Speech, Pope Rants About Gender
BY Lucas Grindley
December 21 2012 4:02 PM ET

http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2012/12/21/christmas-speech-pope-rails-against-gender-roles

The pope used his Christmas message today to warn of an "attack" on the "true structure of the family," which he defined as a father, mother and child. Debate all over the world isn't only about marriage equality, he seemed to say, it's about what it means to be human.

In the address, Pope Benedict rails about contemporary views of gender and says anyone who defends the old way of thinking is actually defending God himself. The message grows more alarming with each sentence.

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Then the Pope goes on at some length to insist that God created a "duality" in gender that is "an essential aspect of what being human is all about." He said people are trying to "decide" their genders, calling transgender people a "manipulation of nature."
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Kevin Peña

Well, Pope, guess who's not even mentioned in the bible...   ::)
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michelle

Much of Christian theology and philosophy are not in the Bible.
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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Kevin Peña

I know. Half the time, people just make this stuff up, which is why I never saw religious bigots as people with credibility.  :P
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Sephirah

Not much one can really say about that without going over ground which has been trodden many, many times.

It smacks of desperation just a little though. And someone who perhaps knows their antiquated ideology is on the wane yet is stubbornly resistant to change. The idea of coming to the Almighty's defense by insisting on living in the dark ages is almost comical.

"I'll defend you, God! By... um... living in a cave and thinking lightning is a sign of your fury, O Lord! Yeah, curse the evil of electricity generating power stations, for they are a manipulation of nature! Even though they allow your supposedly chosen representative to wax lyrical about the wrongness of manipulating nature! It's still wrong... somehow! And we need more exclamation points!!!"

I can just imagine God facepalming so hard at this right now.

Much of this could be avoided if the Pope just started his rants with the words "Okay, folks, here's what I personally think..." which is all it mostly amounts to.

The fundamental flaw in a lot of what he says, as far as I can see, and quite aside from the entire Adam and Eve premise itself, is the assumption that when something is created, it has to remain the way it was when it was created and cannot grow and change, learn and become more than it was when it was created. And so shall it ever be etc.

Humans give birth to children, who grow and learn, and adapt, and experience. The human race throughout history is like a child growing up, learning about ourselves, the world and how to exist within it to its, and our full potential. The pope seems to want everyone to stay as children, being told how the world is by a father figure who "knows everything and has to be taken at his word". He assumes that, or likes to believe that God doesn't want his children to grow up and think for themselves. Probably because then there'd be no need for a Pope, who knows.

I fail to see how God would become any less significant to anyone who utilises their self-determination to become their true selves. I mean the evidence of that is clear from our religious members here, who have no less love for, faith in, and belief in God. And nor should they. Being able to do something for yourself doesn't suddenly invalidate the idea of a God. And I suspect in some cases that faith and belief only gets stronger as those folks find the strength to do what needs to be done in spite of overwhelming prejudice and seemingly insurmountable odds. So quite why God needs defending is beyond me. I suspect it's more likely that the Pope's particular brand of doctrine and personal values are what are more in need of defense.
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peky

This comes from the mouth of Nazi man who maned a triple A gun against American bombers, just to later on claim he was forced to do it. The true Catholics in Nazi Germany did oppose the Nazis, they did not were forced to do any evil things, they did die before giving up. But not the PopenFuhrer

He distills evilness not only in his looks but in his words. In the most awful tradition of the Catholic church he willfully chooses to ignore advances on sciences.

Hopefully he will die soon
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~RoadToTrista~

I wonder how he he feels about interracial marriage.
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Kevin Peña

He's probably not a fan. Religious, conservative, and very old aren't qualities that normally don't come along with hatred of all sorts.  :-\
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Snowpaw

DAWWWWWWWW he looks like a panda :D *pets the pope and gives him some bamboo*
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Shawn Sunshine

The Pope could actually be intersex and not even know it!
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Snowpaw on December 21, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
DAWWWWWWWW he looks like a panda :D *pets the pope and gives him some bamboo*

*Snowpaw gets arrested by Pope's bodyguards*  :-\

(Correct me if I used this slang wrong) --> The Pope rolls deep, yo!  :laugh:
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Snowpaw

Quote from: DianaP on December 21, 2012, 09:51:06 PM
*Snowpaw gets arrested by Pope's bodyguards*  :laugh:

(Correct me if I used this slang wrong) --> The Pope rolls deep, yo!

I can't help it, he just looks so non creepy in that pic.
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~RoadToTrista~

Ohmahgawd he does make me think of pandas when I look at him. >.<
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jojoglowe

Quote from: peky on December 21, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
This comes from the mouth of Nazi man who maned a triple A gun against American bombers, just to later on claim he was forced to do it. The true Catholics in Nazi Germany did oppose the Nazis, they did not were forced to do any evil things, they did die before giving up. But not the PopenFuhrer

He distills evilness not only in his looks but in his words. In the most awful tradition of the Catholic church he willfully chooses to ignore advances on sciences.

Hopefully he will die soon

couldn't agree more!

also lets not forget the pope wears a dress at all the masses ;o

i went to catholic schools from preschool thru highschool, they say the darnedest things.

what the pope is saying sounds alot like the pre-ww2 nazi conformist propaganda
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V M

The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

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- V M
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Snowpaw

Nah even the emperor would be pro gay rights. The jedi's were punks who would stand by and say "it's not our war" if the nazis were there. Sith4life.

Oh yeah I said it too, Sith> jedi scum.
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jojoglowe

Quote from: Snowpaw on December 21, 2012, 10:21:02 PM
Nah even the emperor would be pro gay rights. The jedi's were punks who would stand by and say "it's not our war" if the nazis were there. Sith4life.

daaarksiiiide..... i love how you share my appreciation of the sith's. it seems all my friends like the jedi's and the light side and i'm the only one out of the bunch who thinks darth vader is the coolest. well, i guess he eventually turned to the light side in the end.... hmmm darth vader was trans! trans-force.
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Kevin Peña

I love how everyone basically disregarded the Pope's hate!  ;D
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~RoadToTrista~

Quote from: DianaP on December 21, 2012, 10:28:17 PM
I love how everyone basically disregarded the Pope's hate!  ;D

Eh, It's not exactly surprising, and I could care less what he thinks.

I wonder how many people in the world who were pro-LGBT rights actually became anti-LGBT rights just because the Pope said so. :o
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Cindy

I think it sad that a person who 'heads' a large number of people who believe what he says takes such a non-christian look at life. He has not been so outspoken on the sexual abuse committed by members of the church.

I haven't read the bible for at least 50 years but for those who have does it actually state what a family is?
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