So we don't exist past 100 years then eh?

[Anatta]

Yes they do, but so does everyone else. History is full of people doing stupid things to each other.

I am not one of those people who will be doing something that stupid, God save me from doing anything like that.

Kia Ora Shawn,

" Good people do good things-Bad people do bad things-For 'some' good people to do bad things-that takes 'religion' !"

Good-Bad is 'relative' !

Metta Zenda

[Kevin Peña]

Ok, just a few thoughts (Please don't rip my head off for expressing them):

1. There doesn't have to be an afterlife. Absolutely nothing factual requires the existence of such a thing; only subjective opinions do.

2. By the logic that there must be an afterlife because it would be bad for people not to be accountable, there must also never be a bad occurrence ever. Nonetheless, people get killed, raped, mugged, injured, disabled, etc. Life is full of things that aren't fair. I know it sounds harsh, but it's true.

3. Life isn't first about helping other people. I know that this is going to sound bad, but I always believed that you are your first priority. If anyone was completely selfless, he or she would be dead from dehydration because he or she would have given everyone else his or her water instead of taking some for his or her own. No one is completely selfless.

4. Religion is created by mankind. By the logic that Hell is only a creation to keep the masses in check, religion can be the exact same thing. Religion is just something that people use to make themselves feel better, such as believing in a higher power or an afterlife. Being religious is completely fine, just so long as you don't try to force your religion on other people or assert that your religious beliefs are facts and that everyone else is wrong without any evidence.

I apologize for coming across as harsh. 

[Constance]

3. Life isn't first about helping other people. I know that this is going to sound bad, but I always believed that you are your first priority.

Perhaps not completely selfless, but life is all about helping people when one is a parent. I speak (post?) from experience.

Well, helping one's kids SHOULD be the first priority. To that end, being sure one is able to provide for them entails taking care of oneself too. But this self-service is due to needing to serve one's kids.

[Kevin Peña]

Reasons aside, you are still your first priority.

[Anatta]

Reasons aside, you are still your first priority.

Kia Ora Diana,

What you say is an irrefutable truth=the 'sub-conscious' level must be taken into account...Self preservation is 'built-in'...

And I should add, if one does not 'believe' this to be the case, then consciously try to stop breathing. 

Metta Zenda

[Shawn Sunshine]

assert that your religious beliefs are facts and that everyone else is wrong without any evidence

Except that I have the right to believe my beliefs are in fact "facts". God is a fact for me, not a belief. However, I won't go around stopping people from believing what they want though as long as they don't hurt anyone, cause that's freedom of religion, and I can't interfere in that.

Here are some other things I accept as facts:

Aliens exist and there is life on other planets
Time Travel is real
Faster than light speed is real

Can I prove any of that to you, not at the moment i can't, but It's real to me and I accept those as "facts"

[Devlyn]

Shawn, here at Susan's we can believe our beliefs are facts, but we must express them as opinions. Hugs, Devlyn

[Shawn Sunshine]

Shawn, here at Susan's we can believe our beliefs are facts, but we must express them as opinions. Hugs, Devlyn

Yes that would be wonderful if everyone did that, but i have seen plenty of posts that are opinions being asserted as fact on Susan's since i joined.

[Kevin Peña]

Shawn, don't take the following as an attack on your religion, but to play Devil's Advocate (no pun intended), by stating that your beliefs are facts you are basically belittling anyone else's beliefs by saying that they are completely wrong. Doing so can offend a lot of people and make you come across as arrogant by not acknowledging even the tiniest possibility that you can be wrong.

[Shawn Sunshine]

That is good then, because I am not trying to offend anyone.

I have noticed though that people will use facts to back up their beliefs and then use that to attack people. If i have ever done that, then I am sorry.

It seems like the spirituality forum has a tendency to always offend someone, even if you were not trying to.

[Constance]

I believe that I have had experiences with the Greenman, the Faerie Queen, Perkunas, Pele, the Abrahamic G'D, and my spirit ally the Lost Bison. Do I believe they exist? I guess so.

To me, there is a paradox in faith. Knowledge negates faith. If you know something is true, is that really faith? For me, faith has its roots in doubt.

I will never say that I have actually had experiences with those beings listed above. I believe I have, but I could have been mistaken. The moment I know for certain will be the moment my faith has ended.

[peky]

Here are some other things I accept as facts:

1) Aliens exist and there is life on other planets
2) Time Travel is real
3) Faster than light speed is real

Can I prove any of that to you, not at the moment i can't, but It's real to me and I accept those as "facts"

I respect your and anybody's beliefs when it comes to metaphysics (religion, theology, etc) but when it comes to scientific facts...well, then I will call them by what they are...

1) The laws of chance guaranty that life exists in other planets,
2) and 3) are precluded by the laws of physics (Einstein Relativity Theory)

[Shawn Sunshine]

I see your point Constance. I think its easier with issues of would be science (or yet to be disclosed to the public types of science)

There are some plausible explanations for Faster than light travel. I have read enough about that subject to think its a fact now, instead of just a theory.
But then that's where it ends, and belief sets in, I believe that people have really seen alien spacecraft, my parents even said they saw a ufo. I have to logically assume that other species figured a way to get here fast enough so they would not die in the ship.

[Shawn Sunshine]

I respect your and anybody's beliefs when it comes to metaphysics (religion, theology, etc) but when it comes to scientific facts...well, then I will call them by what they are...

1) The laws of chance guaranty that life exists in other planets,
2) and 3) are precluded by the laws of physics (Einstein Relativity Theory)

This is why I like science because i has the capacity to prove the existence of the beyond. Maybe not today but someday.

After all science has proven what used to be accepted as fact as otherwise:

We said the earth was flat
We said the sun revolved around the earth

[peky]

This is why I like science because i has the capacity to prove the existence of the beyond. Maybe not today but someday.

After all science has proven what used to be accepted as fact as otherwise:

We said the earth was flat
We said the sun revolved around the earth

You are really funny you know, I hope you will never stop posting

[Shawn Sunshine]

But its true! It used to be flat...once all those ships started falling off the side of the earth it was just enough weight to change the shape of the earth.

Then what happen is once it became round it pushed the sun 96 million miles away, and well i have no way to explain the rest. 

[Anatta]

Here are some other things I accept as facts:

Aliens exist and there is life on other planets
Time Travel is real
Faster than light speed is real

Can I prove any of that to you, not at the moment i can't, but It's real to me and I accept those as "facts"

Kia Ora Shawn,

Time Travel : Check this old thread out https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,106431.40.html

There are some interesting comments on the thread.....Keep up the good work Shawn- I'm rewarding you for your 'never say die' attitude and of cause course your warped sense of humour 

Metta Zenda

[Shawn Sunshine]

Well Thanks! 

[Kevin Peña]

Well, technically, you can travel faster than light if you somehow manage to use a wormhole. You travel a particular distance faster than light could have. However, if you and a beam of light were shot through a wormhole, the light would be faster.

So in a way, you can and can't travel faster than light. Of course, this is assuming that one day, wormholes would be able to be created. (Just two black holes back-to-back)

[Shawn Sunshine]

This is worth watching if you have 44 minutes to spare! If you don't just go back in time before you watched it 44 minutes. 
All the current theories on time travel are mentioned in this video, that I know of.