So we don't exist past 100 years then eh?

[Shawn Sunshine]

I will never be able to wrap my head around the idea that we do not exist past our physical bodies. That seems rather scary to me to think I would just blink into nothingness, to not be aware of what my future actions on earth did for future generations. I don't understand why some feel there is no afterlife. If there is no afterlife , then there is no accountability for your actions. If I do evil things to people and then die and was never punished for it, what kind of universe is that? If I spend my life doing good things for people, surely there has to be some place for me in eternity that's filled with peace.

Regardless of what God or Goddess you believe in, or if you believe in nothing, It just seems so wrong that there would be nothing after this life.
Otherwise wheres the justice for people who get away with being evil in the here and now?

[peky]

Do animals have after life? Are they punished by their evil deeds just a humans are?

Can good exist without evilness? Were not both created by G-d?

Who said there has to be justice in the Universe? Whose justice? Think about the poor cow that was killed to make the hamburger that is half way down you colon! Where is her justice?

[Shawn Sunshine]

You cannot judge someone for choosing to be a vegetarian or to eat meat. Certain animals were meant for food. But I have vegetarian friends and I don't judge them at all. Eat meat or don't, either way is fine.

Who said there has to be justice in the Universe? Whose justice?

We as human beings demand justice, what do you think courts are for? But since we cannot get everyone for crimes, there has to be accountability in the afterlife.

[Keira]

We as human beings demand justice, what do you think courts are for? But since we cannot get everyone for crimes, there has to be accountability in the afterlife.

What about the man who steals money for his sick wife?

What about the person who would rather eat thousands of calories than buy anything for their daughter's birthday?

What kind of justice/accountability?

Eternal damnation?
Eternal death?
Or simple-minded humans wanting revenge?

Nothing is ever as simple as we often think it is; nor is it as easy to prove. Even I believe things that I cannot explain or provide evidence for; it just means that I don't feel I should go around trying to preach to other people.

In the spirit of skepticism and love,

-Skye

[Annah]

Lot of religious people have a hard time in understanding an Atheistic point of view when it comes to the afterlife.

You said it's hard to comprehend that after your life that's it.

Atheists do not think that way. Atheists (and A LOT of others) believe your legacy is left behind from the deeds you have done in this life and the children and the generation of your families you leave behind.

[Annah]

You cannot judge someone for choosing to be a vegetarian or to eat meat. Certain animals were meant for food. But I have vegetarian friends and I don't judge them at all. Eat meat or don't, either way is fine.

We as human beings demand justice, what do you think courts are for? But since we cannot get everyone for crimes, there has to be accountability in the afterlife.

sure we can.

If a bear eats a man they hunt down and kill the bear.

If a man eats a bear they don't hunt down and kill the man.

[Shawn Sunshine]

Atheists do not think that way. Atheists (and A LOT of others) believe your legacy is left behind from the deeds you have done in this life and the children and the generation of your families you leave behind

Well Annah, you and I have an understanding that there is something after this life. That we have souls and we exist beyond this one. You and I are both aware of God's presence. I know for certain that I will exist once my body passes away.

Sure we leave behind a legacy, that is important as well.

[Shawn Sunshine]

sure we can.

If a bear eats a man they hunt down and kill the bear.

If a man eats a bear they don't hunt down and kill the man.

I'm talking about humans Annah, not animals

Romans 14

The Danger of Criticism

14 Accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. 2 For instance, one person believes it's all right to eat anything. But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. 3 Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don't. And those who don't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to condemn someone else's servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord's help, they will stand and receive his approval.

5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. 6 Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God. 7 For we don't live for ourselves or die for ourselves. 8 If we live, it's to honor the Lord. And if we die, it's to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 Christ died and rose again for this very purpose—to be Lord both of the living and of the dead.

10 So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For the Scriptures say,

"'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bend to me,
    and every tongue will confess and give praise to God.'"
12 Yes, each of us will give a personal account to God. 13 So let's stop condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not cause another believer to stumble and fall.

14 I know and am convinced on the authority of the Lord Jesus that no food, in and of itself, is wrong to eat. But if someone believes it is wrong, then for that person it is wrong. 15 And if another believer is distressed by what you eat, you are not acting in love if you eat it. Don't let your eating ruin someone for whom Christ died. 16 Then you will not be criticized for doing something you believe is good. 17 For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 If you serve Christ with this attitude, you will please God, and others will approve of you, too. 19 So then, let us aim for harmony in the church and try to build each other up.

20 Don't tear apart the work of God over what you eat. Remember, all foods are acceptable, but it is wrong to eat something if it makes another person stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else if it might cause another believer to stumble. 22 You may believe there's nothing wrong with what you are doing, but keep it between yourself and God. Blessed are those who don't feel guilty for doing something they have decided is right. 23 But if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.

[Anatta]

Kia Ora Snowpaw and fellow threaders,

Just a thought...

In a country that has the death penalty and where many people believe in a god, heaven and hell...If a person is convicted of killing another person and put to death, do you think it is right/justified that a god should also punished this person in the 'afterlife' ? Isn't death the ultimate punishment for their 'sin' [according to man's law] ? 

Metta Zenda

[Annah]

I'm talking about humans Annah, not animals

Why can't animals be held to the same spiritual level as humans?

MANY religions have a great spiritual respect for animals.

Personally, I don't believe in punishment in the afterlife. I believe in Karma...which is not punishment...but a learning tool to learn from prior mistakes.

I'm not sold into the whole hell thing. That concept was created around 150AD.

We Jews don't believe in Hell. (well..Im Jewish by race...most of my family still practices Judaism).

Hell, in my opinion, is an institutional creation to force their followers through fear to listen to them or else.

[Anatta]

Kia Ora,

Humans are animals!

Metta Zenda

[Annah]

Kia Ora,

Humans are animals!

Metta Zenda

agreed

[Shawn Sunshine]

Why can't animals be held to the same spiritual level as humans?

MANY religions have a great spiritual respect for animals.

Personally, I don't believe in punishment in the afterlife. I believe in Karma...which is not punishment...but a learning tool to learn from prior mistakes.

I'm not sold into the whole hell thing. That concept was created around 150AD.

We Jews don't believe in Hell. (well..Im Jewish by race...most of my family still practices Judaism).

Hell, in my opinion, is an institutional creation to force their followers through fear to listen to them or else.

Are you serious?? So let's say someone murders my brother, we never catch the person, they die and as they are dying laugh and revel in thier evil deeds and are happy that they killed my brother, you mean to tell me there's no accountability for them? That they don't get punished??

[Devlyn]

Kia Ora,

Humans are animals!

Metta Zenda

Agreed

[Annah]

Are you serious?? So let's say someone murders my brother, we never catch the person, they die and as they are dying laugh and revel in thier evil deeds and are happy that they killed my brother, you mean to tell me there's no accountability for them? That they don't get punished??

I am very serious.

If one were to say God's love is unconditional then it's unconditional. If you take the story of Cain and Abel literally you can see this.

When Cain killed Abel, Eve did not go out there and slaughtered Cain in revenge and God did not send Cain to hell. If you remember, God placed a mark on Cain and protected him saying that if anyone were to exact revenge on Cain then they too will be punished.

God does not work on humanistic revenge. That's a human attribute.

And i think you did not read my comment. Yes of course there will be accountable but that accountability isn't eternity in some kind of fiery lake of hell. I stated Karma. If this person dies laughing to his grave then Karma will have him learn from this lesson.

[Shawn Sunshine]

Annah, we have to be repent of what we have done , for God to accept us, If I take it to my grave and shove it Gods face and reject God and do not turn away from sin and do not ever repent of what i have done, then God cannot accept evil into heaven. I know God will take a murder into heaven if they are sorry for what they have done.

[Anatta]

Kia Ora Snowpaw, Shawn Sunshine ,

You have brought up an interesting paradox...The physical body dies [this includes the brain-the control centre so to speak] No more neurons firing up =Neurons have specialise cell parts called dendrites and axons. Dendrites bring electrical signals to the cell body and axons take information away, etc.. Thinking is for the most part just 'movement confined to the brain'...Now if the brain dies, where does this leave 'thoughts'of what if? and feelings of fear and anxiety ? What is it that passes over ? Is it  the 'mind' ? What is mind ?

Metta Zenda  
 

[Annah]

wait...who is snowpaw?

[spacial]

you mean to tell me there's no accountability for them? That they don't get punished??

If you have killed them or punished them is some other way, have they not been punished?

[Annah]

i get weirded out when someone stares at my profile for longer than 10 minutes...just saying