Gays fling out cross-dressers

[Rachael]

see now that aproach i like...
we dont call all homosexual or bi people gay now do we?

[Lisbeth]

we dont call all homosexual or bi people gay now do we?

Actually, a lot of people do use the word "gay" that way.

[Rachael]

true...
but its not correct is it?
like calling all trans people transgender is TECHNICALLY right, they aren't all the same,
a gay man isn't going to sleep with a gay woman, because their both gay...
they define between GLB, why not between us? i think its only fair...

[Pica Pica]

im a bi girl, and thats about it, i hve just fought to get T added to my students unions LGB group and some wanted LGB & T, and i sort of agree now
i dont think they should be lumped but i certainly dont think they should be cut off,i do feel TV/CD and TS and more serious dysphoria conditions should be separate, if only for greater and easier understanding of a medical problem.

I have noticed that some people in Canada say, "GLBTT" (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transsexual, and Transgender).  They do it that way to specifically include CDs.

However there is always the terrifying possibility of having too many letters GLBTTACDBTW(GayLesbianBiTranssexualTransgenderAndrogyneCrossdresserBitransWeirdos)...Maybe we should just all be called, akward.

Also, I liked the choice of the word fling to title this post, is that meant to evoke some sort of petualant camp throwing?

[RebeccaFog]

The word 'fling' is certainly what grabbed my attention.

Would we need letters to indicate sub-groups of the "GLBTTACDBTW" designation?
I mean it's possible that nearsighted gays (NSG) might want to be recognized as their own community. Extremely Short TransWomen (ESTW) might want their own group too, and so on.



Please know that I am exercising my sense of humor

[Rachael]

cant we have them and us?
would be so much simpler...

[Pica Pica]

cant we have them and us?
would be so much simpler...

But what about usses that feel like thems, or thems that feel somewhat in between, or usses that want to be something altogether.

I would say in the whole world it is only us...even if some of us are a bit 'themmy' sometimes.

[Lisbeth]

However there is always the terrifying possibility of having too many letters GLBTTACDBTW(GayLesbianBiTranssexualTransgenderAndrogyneCrossdresserBitransWeirdos)... Maybe we should just all be called, akward.

Some people just say, "the alphabet soup."  It's why others just prefer "queer."

[Pica Pica]

I think we should go on adding letters until all we get are people's chosen individual names - that tends to be where people show their best sides anyway.

[RebeccaFog]

My name is MXYZPTLK

[Pica Pica]

My name is MXYZPTLK

Pronounced Mixyozaptolek?

Are you a mexican deity?

[RebeccaFog]

My name is MXYZPTLK

Pronounced Mixyozaptolek?

Are you a mexican deity?

Pronounced mixyeztipolik
I am from the 5th dimension.

[Pica Pica]

My name is MXYZPTLK

Pronounced Mixyozaptolek?

Are you a mexican deity?

Pronounced mixyeztipolik
I am from the 5th dimension.

In that case, call me: dtfgh, pronunced ditfigih

[Rachael]

* Rachael puts down the blunt...

if we have people that want to be themmy, or ussy some of the time, or vice versa, we cant win....
OMG labeling fails...

hows about were people?
imo, gay, lesbian and bi should just be a person that loves people, im not going to pass up the love of my life because i happen to have the same genetalia... cant gender be the same? should be who they are... not who we want

* Rachael picks up  the blunt again.

[David W. Shelton]

My name is MXYZPTLK

Now say it backwards. :: evil grin ::

Well, I read TOP and I can't say how saddened I was to read it. As one of this site's resident gay men, I'm ashamed that my fellow gays are so hostile to the "T" of GLBT. Our work has been to be proactively inclusive to ALL members of society... even those pesky straight folks.

Just know, dear friends... you have my full support.

[RebeccaFog]

My name is MXYZPTLK

Now say it backwards. :: evil grin ::

Well, I read TOP and I can't say how saddened I was to read it. As one of this site's resident gay men, I'm ashamed that my fellow gays are so hostile to the "T" of GLBT. Our work has been to be proactively inclusive to ALL members of society... even those pesky straight folks.

Just know, dear friends... you have my full support.

Hi David,

   I knew that only a true believer would know how to send me home.

   You're right about inclusion. Without it, all we have is a foundation full of cracks.

[Suzy]

Dear David,

That has never been in doubt.  I really believe this is the exception, not the rule.  Thanks for being who you are.

Peace,
Kristi

[Shana A]

I'm saddened by this, both when we're excluded by GL groups, or when our community excludes GLB.   While each subgroup does have their own unique issues, we share plenty of things in common. Oppression affects us all. Often when someone is bashed for being gay or lesbian, an underlying aspect of that hate is gender transgression. I've lived in many of the worlds of the "alphabet soup", G. L, B and T, and in all of them have found like minds, and at the same time often felt myself to be an outsider.

zythyra

[Rachael]

muslims and christians are both religious groups, the both follow thier religious law and are both reasons people get prejudiced against...

lets make a church for all religions together to go to, because lets face it... thier all religions...




doesnt quite work does it?

maybe T doesnt belong with LG or B?
being LG or B and trans are mutually exlusive, so why group us together?

[David W. Shelton]

muslims and christians are both religious groups, the both follow thier religious law and are both reasons people get prejudiced against...

lets make a church for all religions together to go to, because lets face it... thier all religions...

doesnt quite work does it?

maybe T doesnt belong with LG or B? being LG or B and trans are mutually exlusive, so why group us together?

I disagree. When any one group begins to isolate itself from others who are fighting for similar rights, that group will then begin isolating itself into oblivion. We all need each other. It's sad that some in the GL community don't see it that way.

I'll use my friendship with Susan as an example. She has been as much a critical part of my life as anyone in the straight or gay community. I need her input, her opinions, and her thoughts to help balance out the actions that I take with the local Pride community or even the church.

When we are all a part of each others' lives, we begin to appreciate the value we all have for each other, and can take appropriate actions.

Further, I don't think it's fair to compare a religion to a person's sexual orientation or gender identity. Very few of us have ever chosen our SO or GI. While, in most cases, religion is almost always a choice... even if it's a choice to remain in the faith in which we were raised.

The reality is that we're all working for the same cause: equality. We should either strengthen our mutual strategies, or otherwise work together. If we don't, then we'll all fade into obscurity. And it's back into the closet we go.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm just not okay with going back into any closet. After all, mine kind of got nuked. :: shrug ::