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Officially despondent here

Started by Lesley_Roberta, January 18, 2013, 09:01:14 AM

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Lesley_Roberta

Ok took a long while to post, and I just re read the Terms so that I get a grip on my post (I'm bad for forgetting the rules, I admit that freely). But I am not really here to talk about a lot of things that I likely should not discuss at any rate

I'm just despondent. I feel majorly defeated. Like the battle is over, get over it, I lost.

I am STILL waiting to hear back from the shrink that gave me an initial discussion. How the heck long does a man need to figure out some sort of reply? It was in last November. Am I that complicated? Hardly likely. I have no one in the professional community to talk to. I feel somehow totally without support.

But that is just a fringe hassle. The real hassle, is I seem trapped. I am stuck in his life, looks like I will not be escaping his life, in other words, it looks like there won't be a moment where MY life has any sort of existence.

I would like my wife to be ok with me being ME, at least a bit. But sadly, she wants him. That's ok with him of course. Leaves ME out in the cold though. I get dumped by him the moment he's had his fix. And it is fairly clear, that while the wife is ok knowing I am in here somewhere, just so long as I don't bother her. So that makes me feel unwanted, even if she doesn't mind that I exist, just so long as she has no need to notice in any fashion.

Yeah sure, I'd like to be able to go shopping with or without her as me. I'd like to be able to go out to lunch with her as me. I'd like her to realize I love her as much as he does. I just want to be wanted. I don't mind that she wants me to retain his parts so that she can enjoy being with him in that fashion. I can live with being him the moment the clothes come off.

But there is no sign there will be any day when I get to be me, in appearance, done up nicely.
I will always be someone looking out from the inside, yet never apparently present.
It's depressing to know, that I can claim to be 'here' and yet, aside from maybe smelling nice, no one needs to really care, or even notice. I mean, everyone likes to look nice eh, but, I will be doomed to be invisible. It will always be him they see. Even if he isn't even there.

I don't hate his clothes, but lets be honest, would you like being forced to wear the other sides clothing and told it was not your choice in the matter? Pants are handy for working in, but they are not equal to a nice skirt. What's the point to making my legs look nice, if I'm wearing pants. Currently the only person noticing them is me.

Part of me wants to photoshop an image of myself into an image of a wig I might like to wear and to see, would I even look nice to begin with. But what's the point. If I look horrible it means I lost before I ever began. If I should be by some miracle marginally attractive, then I just get to lament what I could be if only allowed.

I like shopping, but now, well why punish myself.
I wouldn't go into a hobby store if I was never going to be allowed to get a model.

My diet has stalled out on me, and I have to wonder, why am I making myself miserable over a few pounds and a specific waist measurement, I am not going to be shopping for a skirt anyway. Thus, it has ruined what seemed like a nice challenge with a nice prize at the end. I'm over weight, but not enough to be really concerned. I am merely not thin. I've seen what FAT looks like, and thankfully I am not that way.

I caved in the other day about the name too. Ok why bother her over a name. What's the real point. 90% of the time or more, I am called Les. No one says first and middle name, as I am not from the US south. So being addressed as Les is the norm and no one is going to fret over my name being different when written out in full. Not much point making people dispute my identification 'but that's a girls name and you're a guy?'. No I'm female inside and thus a girl hence the name. 'No you're a guy with someone else's ID and trying to pull some garbage on me'. I can just see it. Bad enough I have Canada Post telling me I can't have my damned mail because I don't have photo ID. I can't wait for them to tell me my long time in coming modern birth certificate is not sufficient. I have less trouble having mail get sent to my wife. But she has managed to get a photo health card. Dumb things though are only good for a few years. I'd rather stick with my original lasts forever non photo version.

Sorry I am rambling.

I am being forced, if I want to keep the woman I love more than life itself, to retain all semblance of being him, otherwise she says she's married to a woman and she doesn't wish to be married to a woman. I suppose that means she loves him, and not me. That also feels crummy. But what does a person do? Becoming a woman means I lose her, and he loses her as well. So neither of us are in a hurry to ruin if for either of us.

And the last thing I want, or have a lot of interest in hearing, is how I am really just one person and that I need to 'heal' as the women were telling me before I was connected to the shrink that has not seen interest in connecting with me since. I don't want to 'heal', because I don't consider myself him, and he doesn't consider himself me either.

And I am also tired of the constant bickering in my head. It seems like I am running to operating systems at the same time. I don't recommend it much.

I don't really know what to do.
Doesn't seem a lot of point discussing being transgender with people that only have one person in their heads and who are currently engaged in sorting out an anatomical aggravation by having the body converted.
I think of myself as transgender in as much as I am NOT gay or preferring men even if I feel feminine like it seems some see to think gay men are. I see myself as female. I am just stuck in a male frame. Yippee damned hurrah. Yes I understand, normally females like males, well the hetero females that is. So it is a bit of a complicated mess, because even though I think of myself as being an ordinary female, I actually still prefer females. Or rather males disgust me just enough I can't picture myself ever wanting one.

And that leads to the hate I have mentioned before. Used to think the hate problem was his, but to be honest I think it's my problem. I can't seem to stop hating men. When I walk down the street I am always being battered by hate directed towards males I encounter for no reason for anything they have done (which is generally nothing as I think it is all in my head normally). I've heard of anger management, but I have never heard of hate management.

So I find myself having troubles socializing, as the more I go out, the more likely I am to be exposed to thoughts of hate directed at total strangers. And it really bothers me. Not to mention I have the view the more female I try to make myself, the more I likely would be given reasons to dislike men.

And I am just chasing my tail in circles here. I am not going anywhere.
I am stuck, I have had to do it to myself too.
So I can't even claim I am being forced into this choice.
Well being TG is no treat, but becoming separated has sure caused me more trouble that being TG ever will be. So if I post, consider it me trying to distract myself from being lonely, not my needing to discuss being TG. I don't want to be separated a lot more than not wanting to be male looking.
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spacial

Hi Lesley.

Read your post. Thank you, it was interesting.

I and I'm pretty sure, most here will understand your frustrations. I can't offer any perspectives. But I don't think you're really looking for any.

Take care and big hugggs.
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JulieC.

I have felt exactly like you at different points in my life.  The whole thing seems overwhelming and insurmountable at times.  I found some small ways to cope and while it never solved the problem it did help keep me sane. 

QuoteWhat's the point to making my legs look nice, if I'm wearing pants. Currently the only person noticing them is me.
I keep my legs shaved and my toe nails polished...No one gets to see them but me and my wife...yet it's a small way I can express "me".  Maybe it's pointless but I don't think it is.  It makes me feel good. 

QuoteI like shopping, but now, well why punish myself.
I wouldn't go into a hobby store if I was never going to be allowed to get a model.
Shopping doesn't always mean buying.  It can still be fun to look and try things on even if you don't buy them.  I can spend the whole day shopping and not buy a thing.  You can always buy a ring or a bracelet to wear when you are alone.

I probably have not been much help.  You should know that things will improve for you it just won't be easy.  Your wife probably won't change how she feels and you won't be able to suppress who you really are.   One or both of you will need to compromise or...  And you should call that doctor and find out why he hasn't reported back to you.  You are obviously hurting and that is very unprofessional.



"Happiness is not something ready made.  It comes from your own actions" - Dalai Lama
"It always seem impossible until it's done." - Nelson Mandela
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SunKat

Aloha Lesley,

I'm sorry to hear that you are feeling trapped.  I know that a lot of us at one time or another have had a conflict between being who we are and pleasing the people we love... and we've felt the despair of knowing that the people we love don't love us for who we are.  It can feel like a downward spiral.
I wish I could say something that would help.  I wish I knew what to tell you to do. 

I can say, that feeling like you are of two minds is not uncommon.  I feel like I have a feminine self and a male persona that comes out when I'm feeling threatened.  The key for me has been deciding which of the two is authentically me and which is just a facade I wear.  After many years of pretending to be male and fitting in, it's hard to let go of that persona and those thoughts.  There's a sort of safety there in pretending to be who people want you to be.

I can also understand about the not being attracted to men. Being transgender is about gender not sexuality.  Plenty of cisgendered women don't like men either.

As far as hating men however... I think it's impossible to hate something unless on some level you have a fear of it. 
I don't generally like the company of men.  I don't have any common interests with them and I find most of them to be uncouth and lacking in basic hygiene. But that isn't hate.
The closest I come to hating men is when they are acting out, being aggressive, being "macho"... and that's because I know I'm a potential target. 
You can't help but know that in their eyes being transgendered makes you less than a man and less than a woman... and the rules of chivalry don't apply to you.  It's hard not to hate back.

The only real advice I can give is... Don't go through this alone.  Seeing a psychiatrist or a gender therapist is good, but spending time hanging out with other transgender or genderqueer folks will make you feel like you are less alone.  Find a support group or failing that, even just a bar where transgender folks are welcome.  Mingle. Hang out.  Talk.
Being able to talk to folks who understand and have the same values will make you feel less trapped by your life and they may just provide the emotional safety net you need in order to change it.
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