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Women in Combat

Started by peky, January 24, 2013, 01:49:45 PM

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peky

Quote from: DianaP on January 27, 2013, 12:59:21 PM
It's not a hissy fit so much as a legitimate argument. I doubt that some enemy infantryman is going to see a woman and think, "Oh, I'd better go easy on her." They'll most likely actually think instead to kill her or capture her to be used as a sex toy. Lowering the standards in training won't work since no one will go easy on you in actual combat.

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Oliver-Christoph

I just like the thought of not being limited. I can compare it to being limited in transsexual rights...I hate being discriminated against just because of what's under my belt.
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peky

Quote from: DianaP on January 27, 2013, 05:02:27 PM
What?

It is a petite girl who at the end of the movie kills a lot of big male marines...
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DanicaCarin

Many of the arguments against women in line units/direct combat roles are nonsense. Here are just a couple that don't hold up....... ::)

1. "Having to be as big/strong as a male to have hand to hand combat with the enemy". In reality going hands on with the enemy is rare, and modern fighting systems, such as Krav Maga and training can even things out.

2."Women aren't strong enough to carry a fellow male soldier with all their combat gear on their shoulder and carry them to safety". Guess what..... When your getting shot at, the last thing you want to do is stand up with a wounded buddy on your shoulder. Its another one of the "Hollywood" stunts that rarely ever happens. More likely your dragging the person while staying low and getting them behind cover, which means your using your legs and leverage to move the person.  Also, when your getting shot at, and one or more of your fellow soldiers is screaming cause they just got hit, adrenaline basically takes over and has a huge effect on ones ability.

If they can pass the physical standards, and they are made aware of the risks, then I don't see a reason for then not to serve in any combat role they want. Again, we already have women flying combat air missions and attached to line units as translators, medics, and public affairs roles. They are exposed to the same dangers as the "Grunts" next to them!

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Just Kate

Quote from: DaniStarr on January 28, 2013, 01:49:53 AM
Many of the arguments against women in line units/direct combat roles are nonsense. Here are just a couple that don't hold up....... ::)

1. "Having to be as big/strong as a male to have hand to hand combat with the enemy". In reality going hands on with the enemy is rare, and modern fighting systems, such as Krav Maga and training can even things out.

2."Women aren't strong enough to carry a fellow male soldier with all their combat gear on their shoulder and carry them to safety". Guess what..... When your getting shot at, the last thing you want to do is stand up with a wounded buddy on your shoulder. Its another one of the "Hollywood" stunts that rarely ever happens. More likely your dragging the person while staying low and getting them behind cover, which means your using your legs and leverage to move the person.  Also, when your getting shot at, and one or more of your fellow soldiers is screaming cause they just got hit, adrenaline basically takes over and has a huge effect on ones ability.

If they can pass the physical standards, and they are made aware of the risks, then I don't see a reason for then not to serve in any combat role they want. Again, we already have women flying combat air missions and attached to line units as translators, medics, and public affairs roles. They are exposed to the same dangers as the "Grunts" next to them!

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Brooke777

Quote from: kkut on February 06, 2013, 07:41:04 AM
I believe that's a true statement.  I doubt any women will ever be capable for the NFL (or NBA, take your pick) because there is a natural obvious predictable difference between male and female physical abilities.

Could some women serve honorably on the front lines? Of course! But eventually, the situation will arise that gets someone injured or killed because they weren't physically capable for all aspects of that duty. Should we accept that risk? I don't know. It shouldn't be ignored however.

A lot of the men I served with were physically small and weak. But, because they were born with a penis they were allowed to serve in combat positions. Them being male had nothing to do with their size. They could not carry much, and I doubt they would have even been able to drag me out of the way. The average woman is stronger than these men are. Yet, because they have a vagina they couldn't serve in combat positions. How is that fair?

On a similar note, in all actuality it does not matter what you official position is while you are in. You will serve in whatever capacity they need you to serve in. So this is all just a formality anyway.
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Brooke777

Quote from: kkut on February 06, 2013, 10:21:11 AM
I didn't say all men could or should serve in combat. I don't believe it's true that we have a lot of men in combat roles that are weaker than the average woman. If there are, they should be removed and put in proper duties. Again, I don't believe that's the case.

I guess I read it wrong then. I apologize. It's just after serving directly with both men and women in...interesting situations, I can honestly say I do not care if it is a man or woman serving next to me. It's all about the individual and how they add to the team.
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Brooke777

Quote from: kkut on February 06, 2013, 11:00:38 AM
Cool!  Well, looks like I need a little bit of format change, but very cool...

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