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Video: Glenn Beck Mocks Female Soldiers as "Transgendered Breast Cancer Survivor

Started by Shana A, February 02, 2013, 08:31:33 PM

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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Jen on February 03, 2013, 12:43:24 PM
Lacking credibility or expertise on the subject of Glen Beck actually does float my boat, tbh.

Okay. Doesn't change the fact that he did make some good points.
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Heather

That man?could be making the greatest point in the world. But I'm still not going listen to because he doesn't know how to deliver his message he just comes off like he's a jerk. And I tune jerks out. But the first thing that came to mind while watching this is how is this out of shape guy going to tell anyone their not fit for combat! ::)
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Heather on February 03, 2013, 01:38:53 PM
But the first thing that came to mind while watching this is how is this out of shape guy going to tell anyone their not fit for combat! ::)

Well, at least he acknowledges his inadequacies in that regard. Besides, you don't have to be fit to look up the military's standards for physical fitness online and learn of them. By your logic, over 60% of the country is too fat or too skinny to talk about this.  ???
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peky

Quote from: DianaP on February 03, 2013, 12:45:50 PM
Okay. Doesn't change the fact that he did make some good points.

so did Hitler....it does not change the fact that the man is a psychopath
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: peky on February 03, 2013, 02:11:56 PM
so did Hitler....it does not change the fact that the man is a psychopath

Okay, let's not compare Beck to Hitler. That's just too much of a stretch. Besides, I never said that Beck was an overall good person, just that in this instance, he had some good points to make.
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Heather

Quote from: DianaP on February 03, 2013, 01:47:07 PM
Well, at least he acknowledges his inadequacies in that regard. Besides, you don't have to be fit to look up the military's standards for physical fitness online and learn of them. By your logic, over 60% of the country is too fat or too skinny to talk about this.  ???
But what does he know about what a woman is capable of? And how many wars has this guy won and the battle he had at the golden coral over the last piece of fried chicken on the buffet last night doesn't count! ;D But back to the point just because he read the RNC talking points doesn't make him an expert on women in combat. ::)
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Kevin Peña

He said that the standards shouldn't be lowered for the sake of diversity for those women who can't meet the same standards. That's a gross generalization of female weakness for sure, but it's still a valid point. You don't need experience in the military to know that.
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~RoadToTrista~

Most people already agree that standards shouldn't be lowered. There was some older girl at my school who joined the army and came back to tell us about it and the standards are ridiculous. Why the frack do women have to do less push-ups?
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Heather

Quote from: DianaP on February 03, 2013, 02:47:02 PM
He said that the standards shouldn't be lowered for the sake of diversity for those women who can't meet the same standards. That's a gross generalization of female weakness for sure, but it's still a valid point. You don't need experience in the military to know that.
I don't have military experience ether and I know to run my about that which I know little about. Can I get a talk show too?
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Kevin Peña

Well, Heather, I agree that you can't speak of something only someone in the military would know about, such as what it's like to be in a firefight, but there are some things about the military that non-members can talk about because you don't need actual experience to know of them. Many people who aren't in the military know of the tests, that military service involves being shipped overseas, and other obvious things.

Your logic implies that anyone younger than 74 can't talk about the start of WWII since they weren't alive to see it. No one has absolute experience in the world, so to say that you need it to talk about anything means that you wouldn't be able to talk about much at all. After all, Barrack Obama is the commander in chief. He never served in the military, but now he's its leader. By your logic, he would need to be stripped of that title.

PS--> What's ironic is that Beck had something he said taken out of context. He wasn't mocking female soldiers as "Transgender breast cancer survivors." He was making an exaggerated point that regardless of how unique someone is, diversity shouldn't be a factor in military selection, even if that person is a "female, Hispanic, Eskimo... transgender breast cancer survivor." He wasn't calling all female soldiers that. He was stating that diversity doesn't make for a good military; properly trained, fit, killing machines do that.

He definitely needs to work on his deliveries, but he still makes valid points in this case, regardless of how jerky he comes across as.
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Heather

Quote from: DianaP on February 03, 2013, 03:07:19 PM
Well, Heather, I agree that you can't speak of something only someone in the military would know about, such as what it's like to be in a firefight, but there are some things about the military that non-members can talk about because you don't need actual experience to know of them. Many people who aren't in the military know of the tests, that military service involves being shipped overseas, and other obvious things.

Your logic implies that anyone younger than 74 can't talk about the start of WWII since they weren't alive to see it. No one has absolute experience in the world, so to say that you need it to talk about anything means that you wouldn't be able to talk about much at all. After all, Barrack Obama is the commander in chief. He never served in the military, but now he's its leader. By your logic, he would need to be stripped of that title.
Better not let the republicans hear that idea or they'll try to impeach him! But all kidding aside all this man is doing is trying stir stuff up where he can get better ratings I'm sure he could careless who's living or dying over In Afghanistan. The only war he wants to win is the rating war where he can grow his bank account.
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MaidofOrleans

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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Heather on February 03, 2013, 03:30:00 PM
Better not let the republicans hear that idea or they'll try to impeach him! But all kidding aside all this man is doing is trying stir stuff up where he can get better ratings I'm sure he could careless who's living or dying over In Afghanistan. The only war he wants to win is the rating war where he can grow his bank account.

Okay, I agree that he probably doesn't care, but he still makes some valid points. Then again, all news//talk shows want is ratings. He's definitely not unique in that regard, which is why I don't watch the news or any talk shows (except the Tyra Show, until it ended  :(). Bunch of heartless meanies.

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on February 03, 2013, 03:30:24 PM
I don't even think we need a military...

As much as I would like this to be true, people aren't ready for such a utopian world. Japan can spend at most 1% on its military since WWII by international law. The only reason no one has tried to take over and take advantage of Japan's booming economy/technology is because messing with Japan would mean messing with America, which no one wants to do.

As much as I'd hate to say it, a strong military keeps people in line, albeit out of fear.
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Heather

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on February 03, 2013, 03:30:24 PM
I don't even think we need a military...
That would be nice but men like killing each other too much for us not to have one!
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Heather on February 03, 2013, 03:39:05 PM
That would be nice but men like killing each other too much for us not to have one!

Hey, don't forget about the military's women!  ;)
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Heather

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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Heather on February 03, 2013, 03:42:12 PM
But its the men running the show!

Well, tell that to the female marine captains out there.  :P
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I never thought I'd see this, but a female captain is actually against women in the infantry. I don't like her arguments.

http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal
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Heather

Quote from: DianaP on February 03, 2013, 03:35:09 PM
Okay, I agree that he probably doesn't care, but he still makes some valid points. Then again, all news//talk shows want is ratings. He's definitely not unique in that regard, which is why I don't watch the news or any talk shows (except the Tyra Show, until it ended  :(). Bunch of heartless meanies.


I don't watch much news or talk shows ether. I found they ticked me off too much. So I stopped watching and my life has been better for it. :)
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Heather

Quote from: DianaP on February 03, 2013, 03:48:41 PM
Well, tell that to the female marine captains out there.  :P
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I never thought I'd see this, but a female captain is actually against women in the infantry. I don't like her arguments.

http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/get-over-it-we-are-not-all-created-equal
I'm talking about the pentagon. The people who decide who we blowup!
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