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Started by FreshGuy, February 10, 2013, 04:08:04 PM

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FreshGuy

Ok, I admit it, I guess I must be trams. I'm gonna have to transition

I feel so sad but I guess I just need to accept it, I wish I could just carry on living as a guy but I guess that it isn't meant to be :(

I'm gonna miss my family, particularly my godson, I know that they won't accept me as a transsexual.

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Bexi

Honestly sweetie, people will surprise you.

They know you. They know who you are. What you like. How you act. You're still the same person, albeit transitioning to a happier state of existence.

If they can't accept it ... well so what? You aren't transitioning for them. You are transitioning for you.

I'm sorry you feel that its a bad thing, but being trans* is NOTHING to be embarrassed about; nothing to frighten you, or nothing to view negatively.

Sure its a long hard road, but its a road from being unhappy to happy, uncomfortable in your body to acceptance. 
Sometimes you have to trust people to understand you are not perfect
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Liminal Stranger

Quote from: Bexi on February 10, 2013, 04:31:01 PM
Honestly sweetie, people will surprise you.

They know you. They know who you are. What you like. How you act. You're still the same person, albeit transitioning to a happier state of existence.

If they can't accept it ... well so what? You aren't transitioning for them. You are transitioning for you.

I'm sorry you feel that its a bad thing, but being trans* is NOTHING to be embarrassed about; nothing to frighten you, or nothing to view negatively.

Sure its a long hard road, but its a road from being unhappy to happy, uncomfortable in your body to acceptance.

Wise words. I know I struggled with coming out to myself in the first place, and my family has been a nightmare so far, but they're always a nightmare. Family support is nice, but there is no one's happiness you need to take care of right now more than your own. If my experience so far is any indication of things, the way you're living right now is no way to live. You absolutely need a gender therapist ASAP. You will be okay, just hang in there.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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FreshGuy

I just wish that I could stay as a boy :(

I spoke to my mum on the phone today, I don't want to lose her, I just want to be mummy' s little boy :(

I could barely speak on the phone :(

Omg, my life sucks =(
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FreshGuy

But I like my body, do I have to femme up?
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FreshGuy

Tbh, being trans has ruined my life :( I was much happier before, I had accepted being gay and I was comfortable in my skin then I started to be scared that I was trans then it all went downhill and I have no one I can talk to this about, I know my family won't be supportive so I am gonna be all alone and broke and I'm gonna have to become a woman fml, I wish I could just stay as a guy :(
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Anna++

I feel like you decided this rather quickly... You should probably try to talk to a therapist before doing anything crazy.  Please?
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Alice-blossom

I've always considered transitioning as something a trans individual would want to do, rather than need to. It's not compulsory, and you shouldn't feel pressured into doing something that would be uncomfortable for you!
Personally, I have considered not transitioning to be a worse outcome than potentially losing support from the few loved ones I have. The level of dysphoria varies from person to person, but one important thing to know is that you will want to be sure that this is what you want before stepping into it.
That being said: if you are unsure about your gender identity and your need to transition, finding a gender counselor to discuss this with is a great first step. Also, keep in mind that trans* is just a label! This whole process is simply a means to become yourself. ^^
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A

You "know"? You know, many (most?) people are surprisingly very accepting. Most will need time to accept and understand fully, but if you do things properly, don't worry about literally losing your family. Besides, if you were to be one of the most unlucky ones who get rejected, worrying about it probably won't help, eh? Keeping lovers is no guarantee at all with the whole issue of sexual orientation, but the vast majority of people at least don't lose -everyone-. Families aren't cemented blocks. People differ. My best friend's dad is being a huge jerk about it (like most things), and her brother is having a lot of trouble dealing with it, but she still has her mother.

You might lose one or two people, but losing -everyone-, I never heard of that, except once, in a family of religious maniacs who would not be "tainted" by reason. And you don't necessarily lose whoever you lose forever.

"I know they won't accept." I think it's been said at least 3 times as often as it actually happened. If you think it'll be difficult, then it's just an indication to do things with a lot of care, explanation and support.

Often, people "lose" family members, not quite because their family member absolutely doesn't accept and shuns them, but because of their own attitude. There was a story a few months ago about a transsexual teenage girl who was always screaming and fighting with her father, insulting him and demanding that he accept it. Whilst it's true it's not our fault, it's still a "blow" we're giving everyone, and just like with most such blows, things need to be done, and they don't include insults.

It shouldn't be, but since the world is imperfect, I think it's the trans person's responsibility to make efforts to help people understand and accept, to some degree. And I think if you fulfill that responsibility, you reduce the risks by a lot. Most people, once they understand it's an "illness" that isn't your fault, and that transition is the only way for you to keep living healthily, wouldn't shun you.

I'd like to give you an example of a similar situation. If a father is homophobic and makes awful comments all the time, and despite that, his homosexual child gathers the courage to come out, the father needs to be an awful person to begin with to shun his child like that. I think a large portion of fathers in that situation, maybe even a majority, would have trouble accepting it, and would gradually change their ideas. The father, enlightened like that, may even become an "ambassador" who'll educate his fellow homophobic and have a positive impact. Like my mother gradually started doing after understanding things more.

If it helps, here are the main issues I think might arise:

-They understand you're a transsexual and it's not your fault, but they don't get why it's that bad. They're going to compare it to simple body complexes, and think you should just deal with it. Solution: Explaining how bad it feels, and how it just cannot be mostly solved by working on acceptance and self-confidence like someone who doesn't like their appearance.

-They think you've been lying to them and feel betrayed. They also wonder why now, since you were fine, from their point of view, for all these years. They might also think you're selfish Solution: Explaining how you feel, simply, and how you really need to do it, and would much rather not to, because you know it's hard for them.

-They think you're mistaken or are making this up. Whether their alleged cause is homosexuality, demons, deviance from God, sexual fetishism or anything else, this means they just don't understand it as a whole. Solution: This is the most straightforward one. Education. Show them well vulgarized, serious, scientific material, such as texts and documentaries, as well as testimonies from both transsexuals and people close to transsexuals. They may choose to deny the facts, but if solid evidence doesn't suffice, nothing will, and they can be labelled as annoyingly stubborn. If they talk to whatever competent professional is evaluating you, also, it should be possible to dissipate thoughts of "I understand this problem, but it's not him".

-They say you will always be a son/father/whatever to them. This, like in mourning for the dead, is probably the denial phase, especially strong for them. They might need to be helped to move on to acceptance. Solution: Asking them why they feel that way and having a heart-to-heart conversation  might help. Them seeing a therapist might help a lot too, even if they might be hard to convince, since in their mind, you're the problem, and they shouldn't have anything to do. Then bringing them with you to your own therapist would be an alternative. Without being confronted, they need to come to understand that this is a fact, not something they have control on, and that deciding to deny it is only bringing negativity, like hating the Earth because it spins.




Don't worry too much. For now, concentrate on accepting it yourself. Once you yourself are rid of the issues above and the others I've probably forgotten, you can start thinking about doing the convincing. You yourself need to come to terms with the fact it can't be changed, and go from there.

And yeah, I'm going to agree with the others. Make sure you're evaluated by a competent professional. The apparently contradictory things you say call for investigation and help. Being transsexual is pretty much defined as feeling like the other gender and wanting to be it, right? How What you're saying sounds like "I like ice cream, but I dislike it."

And I'm going to repeat what Alice-blossom said: transitioning is something you should do if you want to; it's by no means an obligation. "Why should I transition?", "Why should I not transition?"... Take these questions and balance your options.

If you have milder dysphoria you are able to deal with, and if transition would bring you more pain than good, well, no one's forcing you to do it. And there are always in-between solutions to make you feel better without impacting your life that might work.
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Jamison

You can be trans and not transition. Physically transitioning is a decision you'll have to make about whether it is beneficial to you. People physically transition because their body dysphoria deems to necessary and they accept and look forward to the process. If you are not dysphoric about your body, you may not be trans. Either way, you need to talk to a professional to help sort out your feelings.

Of course, none of us enjoy the fact that we're trans, and although the idea of transitioning has scared us at many points, overall, none of us could imagine continually living our lives pre-transition.
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Bexi

Urgh, I'll bite...

Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
Tbh, being trans has ruined my life :([1] I was much happier before, I had accepted being gay and I was comfortable in my skin then I started to be scared that I was trans then it all went downhill
It sounds like you're a bit of a hypochondriac, and making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you know how many people have questioned their gender? Wondered what it would be like to live as the opposite gender? If they could magically transform into a guy/girl, would they do it?

Quite a lot. Do they go through with it? Not at all. And especially not over a whim.

When I'm drunk or have taken ... stuff, I sometimes fantasize about being a superhero. Does that make me want to go out, buy a cape, leap from skyscrapers and fight crime? Not particularly. My fat ass dislikes climbing stairs.

Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 04:57:34 PMI know my family won't be supportive so I am gonna be all alone and broke and I'm gonna have to become a woman fml, I wish I could just stay as a guy :(

THEN STAY A GUY. The transgender brigade aren't holding a gun to your head and forcing you to transition. No one is.

We are transitioning to align our outside gender with how we feel inside. We're doing it for our own self-esteem, our own happiness, our comfort within our bodies.

Just because you've enjoyed being in drag doesn't mean you have to transition.  There are many cross-dressers and ->-bleeped-<-s out there. Maybe that's your thing. They enjoy it, but would never contemplate transitioning and making it a permanent thing.

You like your body, SO DON'T TRANSITION.

You like being a guy ... SO DON'T TRANSITION.

Sorry if this is strongly worded, but I can't tell if you're genuinely in need, confused or just trying to bait us. I don't agree with how you assume transsexualism is a curse. And personally I think you don't know what you want and are just wasting my time - if you don't want to transition, then don't. Simple as.

IF this really does bother you, then go see a specialist, someone knowledgeable in such cases and listen to what they have to say. Or take a deep breath, relax and write down your thoughts. Sometimes that can help to gain coherent insight into the muddle of emotions.
Sometimes you have to trust people to understand you are not perfect
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FreshGuy

Thank you for all of your replies. It means a lot that you have written such thoughtful replies.

Since April, I have been worried that I was a transsexual. It all started when me and my friends decided to go to a party as the spice girls. I chose to be sporty so I could wear something that wasn't too feminine (this was before the thoughts had started) then I went to the shops and bought some clothes from the female department (shorts and one of those tops that shows off your belly) and I tried it on in my room and I stuffed socks in the top to look like breasts and it was kinda fun but then I thought why am I doing this in my room? Does this mean I'm a transsexual?

So on the day of the party (due to other reasons) we didn't go as the spice girls and I went as a man. Around this time the guy I had fancied for two years had got it on with me and then he told me I wasn't attractive and I also came out to my mum as bi.

The trans thought bubbled under for about a week then I had a really emotional day where I started to worry I was a transsexual then I admitted it. I was really scared. I didn't like the intrusive trans thoughts then I looked it up online and I spent hours researching. I even done a test on one of the transgender websites that is an indicator of whether you are make or female and I came out male but it was in the middle range rather than highly male.

Then I discovered people on the Internet who had OCD worries that they were transsexuals and the symptoms seemed to match me well so I thought the worries were part of OCD. Since then I have been not sure if it is OCD or if I am trans but the last couple of days I think I am a transsexual and I feel like I have to transition now.

I have been waiting for counselling for months and months, I have spoken to no one about this apart from Samaritans on the telephone.

These thoughts have made me suicidal at times as I decided I would rather kill myself than have a sex change but I am not feeling suicidal about it at the moment.

Does anybody know any good gender counsellors in London?

These trans worries have turned my life upside down and they are having an adverse effect on my studies. I am in the last year of Uni and the trans thoughts are really impacting my ability to study.

That just about sums up everything I can think if right now.

I don't really wanna start living as a woman but I don't think there is any other option for me right now.

Also before I worried I was trans, I used to worry that I would get a disease that men get that makes them randomly chop off their penis. I read about it online a few years ago.

Now I get anxious around knives and scissors in case I lose control and end up cutting it off.
Even typing this is scaring me as I don't like thinking about it!
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Elspeth

As others have said, especially if you are ambivalent, it is probably not a great idea to jump from "I'm gay" to "I'm trans" in a single day. Maybe you are, maybe you're not, and if you are, it's going to be awhile before you'll be able to do much about it. Take time to think about what you really want and feel, and don't let anyone vote on your choices other than yourself, especially if you are currently unattached and have no obligations apart from family pressures from parents and others.

Also, Cognitive Behavior Therapy, which you seem to suggest you've had some of, should have told you about negative fortune telling. You don't know how others will react, and a lot of them may very well surprise you in a positive direction, especially considering the negativity you're bringing to this.

I know I was very anxious about coming out to my largest group of friends to date (an event with over 100 people). Not only did the sky not fall, but quite a few of them expressed support and sympathy, and may have understood that this was where I was going for a very long time, in part because it took me so long, but also because all along I've been taking baby steps to express myself as myself to as much of a degree as I could handle.

Don't create a self-fulfilling prophesy by setting up a condition where you give people an all-or-nothing choice to accept or reject you, unless you really can't help it.

Sorry, posted this as your last message was incoming... I still think the basic message stands, but mainly, it really sounds like you do need to be working with a qualified therapist, and digging into both the gender issues and other concerns as deeply and openly as you can manage. I'll leave it to those near London to suggest someone specific.
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FreshGuy

Quote from: Bexi on February 10, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Urgh, I'll bite...
It sounds like you're a bit of a hypochondriac, and making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you know how many people have questioned their gender? Wondered what it would be like to live as the opposite gender? If they could magically transform into a guy/girl, would they do it?

I read on one of these forums that it is not normal for cisgender people to think these sort of thoughts
Quite a lot. Do they go through with it? Not at all. And especially not over a whim.

When I'm drunk or have taken ... stuff, I sometimes fantasize about being a superhero. Does that make me want to go out, buy a cape, leap from skyscrapers and fight crime? Not particularly. My fat ass dislikes climbing stairs.

Ok good point, I actually first saw myself as a girl when I had taken stuff a few years ago.
I looked in the mirror and I had my best friends head then I looked in the mirror again and I was me but a female version. I didn't really give it much thought at the time


THEN STAY A GUY. The transgender brigade aren't holding a gun to your head and forcing you to transition. No one is.

We are transitioning to align our outside gender with how we feel inside. We're doing it for our own self-esteem, our own happiness, our comfort within our bodies.

I'm sorry but I am just really scared that I am transgender. I thought it was just OCD/hypochondrias but it has been persisting for months and months.

Just because you've enjoyed being in drag doesn't mean you have to transition.  There are many cross-dressers and ->-bleeped-<-s out there. Maybe that's your thing. They enjoy it, but would never contemplate transitioning and making it a permanent thing.

You like your body, SO DON'T TRANSITION.

You like being a guy ... SO DON'T TRANSITION.

Sorry if this is strongly worded, but I can't tell if you're genuinely in need, confused or just trying to bait us. I don't agree with how you assume transsexualism is a curse. And personally I think you don't know what you want and are just wasting my time - if you don't want to transition, then don't. Simple as.

Ok I can assure that I am seriously in need of help at the moment, I get passed around from service to service. I am not trying to bait you. That would be a horrible thing to do. For me personally, it feels like a curse but I understand that not everyone feels that way. I am just trying to see if I am a transsexual because I've been worrying about being one for a long time. I was scared to live with girls in case it made me definitely become trans so I have male flat mates. Thee thoughts are destroying me.


IF this really does bother you, then go see a specialist, someone knowledgeable in such cases and listen to what they have to say. Or take a deep breath, relax and write down your thoughts. Sometimes that can help to gain coherent insight into the muddle of emotions.

Thank you and I'm sorry, I did try writing out my thoughts earlier and it was kinda useful and I stopped worrying for a while but I am so used to worrying I didn't know what to think about and then I started worrying about.

It is really hard to find help cos I don't know exactly what my problem is but I am just passed and discharged between different services. The nhs has been useless. Their paperwork doesn't catch the severity of my condition

Btw Bexi, you are really pretty :) Just thought I would let you know :)

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Alice-blossom

I highly doubt that a disease culminating in a self-amputated penis exists--I think it sounds a bit silly, and you should have nothing to worry about. In other words, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

From what you have posted, I think it's safe to say that you've had a cross-dressing experiment and enjoyed it. You are still every bit as male as you claim, and you aren't in any danger of 'catching the trans' as if it were a contagion or virus. I do stand by my previous suggestion to find a good counselor to talk to though--for both your gender questions and for anything else you might be worried about! ^^
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FreshGuy

Quote from: Alice-blossom on February 10, 2013, 06:02:46 PM
I highly doubt that a disease culminating in a self-amputated penis exists--I think it sounds a bit silly, and you should have nothing to worry about. In other words, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

From what you have posted, I think it's safe to say that you've had a cross-dressing experiment and enjoyed it. You are still every bit as male as you claim, and you aren't in any danger of 'catching the trans' as if it were a contagion or virus. I do stand by my previous suggestion to find a good counselor to talk to though--for both your gender questions and for anything else you might be worried about! ^^

Thank you for your reply :)

Yeah, I guess that disease does sound a bit silly but I have always been quite a worrier.

Do you know any good (affordable) counsellors in London?
I have registered with a few services but I don't know if they deal specifically with gender. At my uni, they offer free counselling but I am waiting to hear if I am eligible.
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Alice-blossom

No, I'm afraid not. I live state-side. :3

I haven't checked, but there might be resources stickied somewhere on the forums that can point you in the right direction.
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Bexi

Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 05:54:28 PM
Thank you and I'm sorry, I did try writing out my thoughts earlier and it was kinda useful and I stopped worrying for a while but I am so used to worrying I didn't know what to think about and then I started worrying about.

It is really hard to find help cos I don't know exactly what my problem is but I am just passed and discharged between different services. The nhs has been useless. Their paperwork doesn't catch the severity of my condition

Btw Bexi, you are really pretty :) Just thought I would let you know :)

I apologize if you were offended with my reply - it was strongly worded and certain aspects of it I found difficult to comprehend :)

Anyhoo, I'll try to dissect piece by piece.

Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 05:54:28 PMI read on one of these forums that it is not normal for cisgender people to think these sort of thoughts

Firstly, I read a statistic (I can't remember where, so sorry!) that a large majority of people have such flights of fancy as experiencing life as the opposite gender, if only for a day. Something like 9 out of 10 have wondered. Though (obviously) most were day dreams or random thoughts, and nothing like the severity of which TG- people have to endure on a daily basis.

Secondly, you should take most things you read on forums with a pinch of salt. People come online mainly to gripe and release tension. And its remarkable how the average person has a supermodel wife. Sorry I digress.


Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 05:54:28 PMOk good point, I actually first saw myself as a girl when I had taken stuff a few years ago.
I looked in the mirror and I had my best friends head then I looked in the mirror again and I was me but a female version. I didn't really give it much thought at the time
I'd probably ignore that. Just because you have pictured yourself a certain way, doesn't mean you should automatically strive to achieve it.

One of my younger cousins, when he was 6 or 7, thought he was Barney the Dinosaur and wore a one-sie all the time, for a good 6 months. He never transitioned into a dinosaur.

What I'm trying to get at is that there is a difference between fantasy and reality.


Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 05:54:28 PMI'm sorry but I am just really scared that I am transgender. I thought it was just OCD/hypochondrias but it has been persisting for months and months.
I can't relate. When I realised, it was a like a switch being turned on. I was depressed for ages, but suddenly I knew I was going to transition and it honestly felt like a massive weight had shifted itself from my shoulders, and whatever had been constricting my chest had vanished, and I could breathe properly for the first time in years.

Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 05:54:28 PMOk I can assure that I am seriously in need of help at the moment, I get passed around from service to service. I am not trying to bait you. That would be a horrible thing to do. For me personally, it feels like a curse but I understand that not everyone feels that way. I am just trying to see if I am a transsexual because I've been worrying about being one for a long time. I was scared to live with girls in case it made me definitely become trans so I have male flat mates. Thee thoughts are destroying me.
Ok, I believe you. I may not be the most understanding individual but I appreciate you're candor.

However, living with girls will. not. make. you. a. transsexual. Repeat that to yourself! :) Sure they may be smelly and always moan about the toilet seat ( ;) only joking!!!) but living with them won't make you want to be one. "It" - doesn't work like that.

But I worry about a lot of things. For instance, I hate flying. Its honestly the only thing that scares me. Give me bugs, creepy crawlies, spiders, rodents, heights, I'm fine - but flying makes me petrified.

But I go on planes. Often. I've been skydiving. And bungee-jumping. Has my plane ever crashed? Presumably not. Just because you fear something may come to pass, doesn't mean it will.

AND transitioning isn't even similar. Like I said previously, you shouldn't transition because someone told you, or an internet stranger felt the same and decided to "give it a go", or your horoscope said so. You transition for you, no one else. If you don't want to, or feel it isn't for you, then don't.

"Transition" signifies change, from one ideal to another. From male to female. Or female to male. From unhappiness to happiness.

Quote from: FreshGuy on February 10, 2013, 05:54:28 PMBtw Bexi, you are really pretty :) Just thought I would let you know :)
OH you ->-bleeped-<-! Now I have to be nice to you ;) hehe :p

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JoanneB

Perhaps it is the 3 hours of sleep I got but I still have not read one single reason as to why you insist you are a transsexual. If you ask any of us we can without a second of hesitation rattle off a half dozen or more good reasons we are. I suspect about twice that many reasons why we shouldn't be or don't want to be. Yet we know that we are. Not guess, not think, not well, lets try this and see. But a visceral This really sucks but what can I do, I am trans.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: JoanneB on February 10, 2013, 06:58:43 PM
Perhaps it is the 3 hours of sleep I got but I still have not read one single reason as to why you insist you are a transsexual. If you ask any of us we can without a second of hesitation rattle off a half dozen or more good reasons we are. I suspect about twice that many reasons why we shouldn't be or don't want to be. Yet we know that we are. Not guess, not think, not well, lets try this and see. But a visceral This really sucks but what can I do, I am trans.

I'm with you Joanne, I'm not seeing a whole lot that screams the OP is trans - just the opposite in fact.. I see things that suggest to me that the OP might be a CD or a TV, but trans? I'm not seeing it..
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