A two subject rant

[FTMDiaries]

I don't know, maybe I'm just different but unruly kids have never really bothered me.

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What does bother me though is unruly and overly loud adults in groups acting worst than unruly children because they are the ones that should know better.

Generally speaking, they don't know better. Mainly because they started out as those unruly kids that didn't bother you... and nobody took responsibility for correcting their behaviour or instilling a basic respect for other people whilst they were young enough to learn.

Oh, I wanted to add one more thing about the library scenario: I think the library should take some responsibility here. If children are supposed to learn to be quiet and respectful in a library, don't turn it into a play area which encourages them to run around making noise.

[Edge]

and nobody took responsibility for correcting their behaviour or instilling a basic respect for other people whilst they were young enough to learn.

I agree with this. Mind you, I don't think anyone is too old to learn. It's just that it's an adult's responsibility to control their own behaviour.
Of course, there is also the fact that every kid is different and even the most well behaved kids aren't perfect all the time. That doesn't mean the parents aren't teaching them. It just means they're still in the process of teaching them which makes sense when you think about it.
It isn't really the kind of library where everywhere is quiet. There are quiet areas, but other than that, it is a vibrant and eventful part of our community. I honestly have never been to a library that wasn't like this one, so maybe it's a cultural thing.

[Devlyn]

True, my experiences are with the public libraries here in Weymouth, the public schol system libraries, the Boston public library, the base libraries at every post I served at in the military, and a seminary library. Those ones were quiet, I can't vouch for the rest. Hugs, Devlyn

[Edge]

Except it wasn't against the libraries rules. Kids are allowed and expected to play in the kids area. He also wasn't a librarian.

[Jess42]

Of course you're referring to my earlier life when someone punched out my younger brother and I went over the table and bounced his head off the dance floor a few times until the bartender whacked him behind the shoulders with a big stick and threw him out. 

Yes that's not nice! Wouldn't and couldn't do that now, besides it's not lady-like behavior. 

No, no, no. I wasn't implying or referring to anyone or anything. Not even myself

You always have to stick up for yourself and the people your with if pushed too far.

There are places like a Jukejoint that I would totally expect unruliness, extreme drunkeness, fighting and very "unladylike" behavior. Really, it's to be expected and can be quite fun at times. I've seen my fair share of dives and barroom brawls. But then there are the more uptown establishments with soothing music, highend alcohol, candles on the table and a sort of ambiance that is just plain relaxing. Usually when I am at a place lake that, there always seems to be someone, usually of the business type, that has had too much to drink and has to talk over everyone and so on. Like they warped from the local dive to the socially gracious establishment. In a case like that, I will usually point them to or suggest the local biker bar for that type of behavior. Once they think about it, they will usually calm down a little bit. False bravado, don'tcha know.

[Jeatyn]

I just want to pipe up about the library thing because a lot of people don't seem to have experienced the sort of Library you're talking about

My local library also has a child play area...section...thing. Kids most definitely make noise and play in there and it's encouraged, there are areas for quiet but the kids section certainly isn't one of them They do all sorts of events, christmas partys and stuff like that. If someone came over to me and asked me to make my kid be quiet while she was playing in that section I'd just laugh in their face.

I totally get the judgement thing, my little one is generally very well behaved but like all kids she has her moments. It's just unfortunate when she decides to have one of those moments at the supermarket checkout or on the bus

[Shantel]

I totally get the judgement thing, my little one is generally very well behaved but like all kids she has her moments. It's just unfortunate when she decides to have one of those moments at the supermarket checkout or on the bus

When my eldest son was a little tyke he watched me as I was attaching the pigtail to our new clothes dryer, I managed to take some flesh off my knuckle and was bleeding profusely when I cut loose with the dreaded "F" word. Later as I was carrying him into the local pharmacy he arched his back and started yelling out that word repeatedly. I handed him to his mother and put some space between us, as you can imagine my name was "Mud" for some time following that event. They want to be good, but sometimes a parent can set them up for a behavioral failure.

[FTMDiaries]

When my eldest son was a little tyke he watched me as I was attaching the pigtail to our new clothes dryer, I managed to take some flesh off my knuckle and was bleeding profusely when I cut loose with the dreaded "F" word. Later as I was carrying him into the local pharmacy he arched his back and started yelling out that word repeatedly. I handed him to his mother and put some space between us, as you can imagine my name was "Mud" for some time following that event. They want to be good, but sometimes a parent can set them up for a behavioral failure.

Heh. That reminds me of something my eldest daughter once did when she was 3 years old. She'd heard her dad use the phrase 'pee off' (not those exact words, but the stronger version that isn't permitted here) whilst watching a football match on the TV. It must've lodged in her brain, because a couple of days later she was in the front garden at her grandmother's house, playing amongst the flowers whilst her grandmother was chatting to the neighbours. A bee happened to buzz in front of her face and she wanted to make it go away, so she yelled at the top of her voice: "PEE OFF!!!"   

Her grandmother wasn't too happy with us, especially since she'd said it in front of the neighbours... but I had to admire her ability to pick up new phrases & use them in context.

[Jeatyn]

I am terrible for swearing and I've been really trying my best to not use bad words around my daughter, the last thing I want is a call from the nursery saying she cussed out another kid  I've let a few slip and she's copied me, but I just ignore it....I figure if I make a big deal out of a word she'll think it's funny and say it more. So far these slips have only happened inside the house with no witnesses It's so hard to come out with "oh fiddle sticks" instead of *cough* "bullocks" when I step on lego pieces 

[Shantel]

Just the other day I was returning home after picking up my kids from school. I changed lanes and this guy who was plenty far back away from me honked at me. It was just a reflex from my early T induced days... but I give him the finger.

My kids immediately jump on that. "What was that???".... "Why did you just do that???"   It wasn't initially condemnation, it was more like getting caught with an unwrapped gift, curiosity was abound! So I say... "Oh nothing, I was just wiping a smudge off the window". When I saw they weren't buying it I began to explain that dad was very wrong for doing that blah blah blah... 

I dunnoh, maybe I do need that Orchie after all... 

Hah, seems that you are just a real human being after all! 

[Shantel]

Oh ya... sometimes real... and sometimes just real stupid. 

Don't beat up on yourself, you're in good company! Sent you a pm

[Edge]

Yes, Jeatyn, precisely! It's like if someone came up to a parent who's kid was playing normally in a kid designated area where other kids were playing too and saying that their kid shouldn't be playing. Actually, that's exactly what it was.
And yeah, no kid is perfect all the time. Heck, no adult is perfect all the time.