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Has anyone tried (or done) a name change without mentioning TG status?

Started by tgchar21, March 27, 2013, 08:59:05 AM

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tgchar21

I've suggested before that if you're worried about what the judges in your area think of transgender people, and you don't have anything against you that would be genuine reasons for a judge denying a name change (such as large amounts of debt or past criminal convictions), that it may actually be better to not directly mention that you're changing your name because you're transgender (and to instead give a reason like "this name better fits my personality" or "I've been known informally by this name for awhile and want to make it legal"). The reason I suggested the idea was because instead of it being an issue of whether the judge is "giving permission" to change your gender it becomes merely an issue of whether one can adopt a name that is typically used for the opposite sex. While some courts are happy to deny a TG to be legally recognized as the proper gender (e.g. in cases of bathroom usage or marriage), most courts will stay away from the issue of what constitutes a "male" or "female" name since the effects of the outcome would not be confined to the trans community (it could affect any new parents with a baby to name if the government were to intervene in this manner deciding what names are appropriate or not). Remember there have been many name changes requested, and granted, that involved a new name far more bizarre than taking on a name more commonly used on the opposite gender. (This post is written from the perspective on how name changes are done in the U.S., so in other countries where the procedure is different this may not apply.)
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Shantel

You have hit on a good point here and I think that it would be far easier to change one's name without announcing that there's a gender change in the future and perhaps hold that information as a spare ace. I've seen name changes made in court and in some cases one doesn't even have to go before a judge who simply reviews the petition and signs on and the petitioner pays the court clerk the fee. The courts usually want to know if you are changing your name to evade some kind of legal proceeding. Here in Washington name changes work that simply.
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Sara Thomas

I'm currently in the midst of a divorce (nothing ugly... it broke down on the side of the road a long time ago, and we're just now getting the tow-truck out there), and my S.O. says the other day: "You know you can get your name changed during the divorce?"

I was thinking - brilliant! why didn't i think of that?!

truth is, i don't have an alternate name lined up...
I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Shantel

Quote from: kkut on March 27, 2013, 09:46:55 AM

I frequently joked with my counselor that instead of my coming out, others might approach me one day and ask... "do you realize you're a woman now?".  ;D

Yes I have to break it to you Kim, you definitely look every bit a woman. I haven't legally changed my name either because it's not as simple as if I was single, there are so many legal ramifications for me, retirement funds from three different companies, military, VA and marriage records, property and tax records and loads of other financial information so that it wouldn't be worth the effort for me. Somewhere along the GID way a little pragmatism has to be applicable.
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tgchar21

Quote from: Sadie May on March 27, 2013, 09:51:39 AM
I'm currently in the midst of a divorce (nothing ugly... it broke down on the side of the road a long time ago, and we're just now getting the tow-truck out there), and my S.O. says the other day: "You know you can get your name changed during the divorce?"

I was thinking - brilliant! why didn't i think of that?!

truth is, i don't have an alternate name lined up...

In some places the only name change they'll grant through the same proceedings as the divorce is one to return to your maiden name (or your name prior to that marriage). In others, you could do any name change at the same time as indicated in the quote.
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Sara Thomas

Quote from: tgchar21 on March 27, 2013, 10:03:42 AM
In some places the only name change they'll grant through the same proceedings as the divorce is one to return to your maiden name (or your name prior to that marriage). In others, you could do any name change at the same time as indicated in the quote.

I'm not actually sure what the law states here - but I'm not truly considering it anyway (at this time)... it was just a fun thought!  :)

If I did ever change my name, I would probably go with something ambiguous... like Mary Anne...

... or Pat.
I ain't scared... I just don't want to mess up my hair.
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Nero

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Ellieka

I didn't either. Just filed a partition of name change and was never asked why.
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Lawreign

You are correct that it is a U.S>. issue. Back in the late 80's only south Australia recognised  a change of gender and you had to be a resident for more than 3 mths in that state. Recently I've had to make an application for a birth extract and while looking through the web site I noticed that once I've had GRS I can present those documents and it will be processed, no questions given that your documentation is in order.. ie doctors authorisation of surgery undertaken........

I was very lucky the first time I transitioned in the 80's, My doctor was a high level government type and some how my medicare card(equivalent of a social security #) was changed to a female status and still is to this day.
\Back then I was confident of the path I was taking so my lisense to drive was female,,, they looked at me over the counter and thought I ticked the wrong box (m) and when I made an application for a passport I ticked the correct gender box but they to thought I'd made a mistake.  I have to say that I believed I was who I was at the time and that was seen by all that I approached.... I had a fully carded female identity which took me some time to change back to male. This transition time however will be a breeze documents included...... You all should move to Australia it's alot easier and the folks are embracing.. 
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Megan S

I mentioned my trans status. My state allows for the judge, at the same time of the name change, to also order for the gender marker on the birth certificate to be changed. I was able to get both done at the same time without yet having GRS at the time. The court did require a letter from my physician stating I had been under her care and had been making permanent changes to my body to reflect my gender.
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