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This is it! This weekend I have THE talk with my wife.

Started by AwishForXX, April 04, 2013, 12:29:03 AM

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AwishForXX

Well this is it, I have been driving myself round the bend trying to psych myself up for this moment and I realize that I can't really do anything to truly prepare myself for the unknowable.  I have attempted to foresee the outcome to no avail, I have tried like a chess player to think of all possible responses, but I suck at chess and that kind of forward thought.

This Saturday, I shall be preparing a nice lunch for us and then afterward, while we are both relaxed and calm. I must tell her I am Transgendered and I am seeking professional help. I have to tell her that I am seeking HRT at the very least.  This is the hardest thing I could ever dream of telling her and it terrifies me.  I don't know what to expect.

Colleen
Oh how I wish for wings that work.
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GendrKweer

Wow, congrats and best of luck! Yeah, this'll be a pretty tough conversation, if only to get the courage up to start it, but it'll be okay, one way or another. I was lucky in that my cisfemale wife was queer, and knew I was queer too. I finally told her I was starting hormone therapy quite tipsy on saki at a sushi bar. :) That made it easier, though we went outside and had a cigarette in the snow and I started crying from relief at her wonderful reaction, which was a combination of not only "I'm so glad you told me" and "let's do this adventure together!" but also "I kindasorta already knew, and thought of you as female in my head for years." Your SO might surprise you like that too, especially that last line... we don't always hide as well as we think. In any case, I got my fingers crossed for you! :) 
Blessings,

D

Born: Aug 2, 2012, one of Dr Suporn's grrls.
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AwishForXX

Quote from: GendrKweer on April 04, 2013, 12:45:55 AM
we don't always hide as well as we think.

Oh I'm becoming more aware of that, one of my co-workers who knows of me has pointed out to me some of my "leaks" that I wasn't even aware of.  most significantly the way I tend to stand. Having been told that, among other things, I realize that I display all the time and don't even realize it.

Thanks for your encouragement and crossed fingers. I covet all I can get at this point. :)

Colleen
Oh how I wish for wings that work.
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NotThereYet

Quote from: GendrKweer on April 04, 2013, 12:45:55 AM
Wow, congrats and best of luck! Yeah, this'll be a pretty tough conversation, if only to get the courage up to start it, but it'll be okay, one way or another. I was lucky in that my cisfemale wife was queer, and knew I was queer too. I finally told her I was starting hormone therapy quite tipsy on saki at a sushi bar. :) That made it easier, though we went outside and had a cigarette in the snow and I started crying from relief at her wonderful reaction, which was a combination of not only "I'm so glad you told me" and "let's do this adventure together!" but also "I kindasorta already knew, and thought of you as female in my head for years." Your SO might surprise you like that too, especially that last line... we don't always hide as well as we think. In any case, I got my fingers crossed for you! :)

You are oh so lucky!!!! You picked the right one who loves you for who you are. I was not that lucky, unfortunately for me...

Do y'all have kids, if I may ask?

Andrea
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NotThereYet

Quote from: AwishForXX on April 04, 2013, 12:29:03 AM
Well this is it, I have been driving myself round the bend trying to psych myself up for this moment and I realize that I can't really do anything to truly prepare myself for the unknowable.  I have attempted to foresee the outcome to no avail, I have tried like a chess player to think of all possible responses, but I suck at chess and that kind of forward thought.

This Saturday, I shall be preparing a nice lunch for us and then afterward, while we are both relaxed and calm. I must tell her I am Transgendered and I am seeking professional help. I have to tell her that I am seeking HRT at the very least.  This is the hardest thing I could ever dream of telling her and it terrifies me.  I don't know what to expect.


Colleen


Good luck my dear!!! Do y'all have kids together?

I will keep my fingers crossed for you!!!
Andrea
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AwishForXX

Quote from: NotThereYet on April 04, 2013, 01:00:39 AM

Good luck my dear!!! Do y'all have kids together?

I will keep my fingers crossed for you!!!
Andrea

We have two adult sons, one of whom is married.  Both boys are my step sons, and I have Two daughters, again one is married ad I know she's gonna be cool with this when I tell her, but the other I haven't seen in 11 years, her mother took her back across country while we were going through our divorce.  The boys however... I don't know.  I have my own suspicions about the younger.  He "leaks" much the way I do and my coming out will have an effect on his marriage too.  I fear for him.

Colleen
Oh how I wish for wings that work.
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GendrKweer

Hey Andrea, thanks! Yeah, I've found the best wife in the world! :) And no, none of us have children, nor do we want any ever, so that's fortunate! (We opened our marriage up to a third female about a year ago, which has turned a perfect marriage into the most lovely love, the three of us together.....:)
Blessings,

D

Born: Aug 2, 2012, one of Dr Suporn's grrls.
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Antonia J

Good luck. Hope for the best, expect the worst, and prepare for the unexpected. I have been married nearly 12 years and came out to my wife 5 weeks ago today after several months of therapy and counseling. She and I had a magical relationship, and many commented on it who knew us.

Anyway, for the first week after I came out she barely spoke to me without saying things that were mean-spirited, hard to hear, and angry/sad/lonely. She was (and remains) deeply hurt. Quite literally we would not be together for more than a couple of hours without crying. A couple of weeks ago we turned the corner, and at least became civil. She has said she supports me, and understands why I need to explore my transition, but she also made clear she is not a lesbian and even moved out of the house for a bit. Lately she has been more supportive, and even offered to help with any SRS or other medical treatment needed, but also made clear it would be as a friend as she thinks we will end up divorced. That she even is considering that means she at least is coming around to acceptance.

If you want to make it as easy as you can on your spouse, there are a few things you should consider preparing:

- Get information for her ahead of time that explains gender dysphoria, ->-bleeped-<-, etc. She may not want to talk to you for awhile, or even read it, but having it available for her to read on her own schedule is helpful. My therapist recommended Jennifer Boylan's "She's not there", Helen Boyd's "My husband Betty", and Joanne Herman's "Transgender Explained for those Who are Not" My wife said she got something out of each, but hated reading the content as it made it painfully real.

- Prepare to be outed by your wife. She is going to be in a low point, and may or may not run out the door or leave at some point to seek support from family and friends. It happens.

- Go slow. Remember, you have had your entire life to think about this. She has not. A day or two after coming out, she may have stopped crying and there may be a semblance of normalcy.  Don't use this as an opportunity to talk about clothing sizes for women's pants, or how to paint your toenails. Patience - if the relationship lasts, there will be time for those things. Mainly, just give her time and let her process the information at her pace without throwing new stuff on.

- There are some great resources about coming out on the Wiki here. Definitely read through them.

- If you have not come out to others, find a friend or two that you can trust and consider telling them. It helps having support.

- Get a good therapist if you don't have one already.  It has helped me with perspective, and if my marriage is saved it will be because of her.

Good luck - this will be one of the toughest things to do. I would still not change my decision, but it was and is painful.

Toni
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bethany

Good luck Colleen, I hope everything goes well for you this weekend.

Hugs
Bethany
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Rita

My heart goes out to you and your wife.  Its a tough pill to swallow... even if it is 100% necessary.
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JoanneB

I double what Antonia said. We've spent a lifetime trying to sort all this out. The clock for them starts when we tell them. Also be prepared for some of the aftershocks. She may have a major sense of betrayal. You've been lieing/hiding this from her. She may go quickly off into Jerry Springer land and imagine all sorts of things.

Even for m wife, who knew from day one some 30 years ago about me being TG, was taken aback when I broke the news to her a few years back about going to a TG group. SHe went into betrayal land since I did basically kicked the table over. I was pretty confident 30 years ago I got all my transitioning out of my system after twice trying and stopping. THat I settled in to being mostly a CD and perhaps a little more.

There has been quite a bit of tears shed by both of us for a few years. Yet now our relationship is better, closer and stronger than it ever has been.
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NotThereYet

Quote from: GendrKweer on April 04, 2013, 01:29:41 AM
Hey Andrea, thanks! Yeah, I've found the best wife in the world! :) And no, none of us have children, nor do we want any ever, so that's fortunate! (We opened our marriage up to a third female about a year ago, which has turned a perfect marriage into the most lovely love, the three of us together.....:)

Wow!!! How nice!
You are truly fortunate! Even a third person!!! I would have a added a nice looking guy to the equation, but to each their own!

How do y'all get along with all that estrogen floating around and not even a bit of much needed Testosterone? LOL

Take care!
Andrea
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peky

hummm...better make an inventory of what you have..secure your more precious possesion, and get a lawyer

More often than not...this kind of conversation end up in divorce...
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AwishForXX

I did it,

After lunch today I sat down with my wife and told her that I have been suffering with Gender Dysphoria, while I didn't go full bore and lay it all out there for her, we did discuss some of what GD is and what it means for me and how it has been affecting me.  She is quiet right now and going for her usual afternoon nap (not unusual for her in the least so no worries there.) at least the dialog is now open.  Of course being a tech savvy researcher, she's going to go and research it as much as she can and she'll have a lot of questions.  I have a lot prepared her for her but she's going to want to do that herself.  All I can do now is wait and be ready for her questions when they come.

I feel relieved, still anxious and I want to vomit right now.

Colleen.
Oh how I wish for wings that work.
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Antonia J

Good luck! The next few days will be the hardest.
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NotThereYet

That does not really sound too bad!!! :-)

Good luck!!! :-)

Andrea
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Erin Kay Howell

Good for you! Im glad the initial reaction wasnt a negative one. You will have to keep us updated .  :laugh:

I told my wife this last sunday that I was TG and ... well after a lot of crying (from both her and I) she told me "no matter what happens I will always love you." ... "but if you change the way you look I dont think I could handle it."

We are at a dont ask dont tell crossroads.

Im beginning to mentally prepare for the separation I feel is coming. Although in a weird twist today before I went to work I was playing with the dogs around her and she said as my dog jumped on me "get off your daddy. Is that ok?" I understood why she asked me if it was ok to refer to me as daddy to the dogs. I said sure and carried on in fear of being shut out again for saying "mommy is what I would prefer."

I hope everything works out for you I truly do. But as ive had many people say and I will say to you. For better or worse you have to make you happy, and no one can do that for you but you.

-Erin
I know who I am, and no one is going to tell me otherwise anymore.



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JoanneB

Quote from: Erin S on April 12, 2013, 05:25:35 AM
We are at a dont ask dont tell crossroads.

My wife and I have been standing at that same intersection of Don't Ask & Don't Tell for a couple of years now. OK... mostly "don't", we do talk but she has a TMI breaking point. Part of it is she knows all too well where the path I am taking may lead. She knows all too well the pain being 25 years post-op herself.

We've always been very open and honest with eachother. Her more so then me, I'm getting far better. We often do have our serious grown up talks in addition to the many hours a day we typically do talk. Keeping the communication lines open is very important to keep the relationship going. We've been through a lot over the 30+ years we've been together. Me facing up to the demon I tried burying for decades is far from the worse.

Now, with a change of employement in the works for me, my black and white thinking has been having a hard time seeing how Joanne can survive. My wife is now the #1 advocate for her!

Quote from: Erin S on April 12, 2013, 05:25:35 AM
For better or worse you have to make you happy, and no one can do that for you but you.

We both always tend to place the others happiness above our own. Throughout my 3 year struggle she has always said "I am not going to stand in the way of your happiness". Now it appears she is planning to walk at my side down the road a lot further with me.

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AwishForXX

Quote from: Erin S on April 12, 2013, 05:25:35 AM

We are at a dont ask dont tell crossroads.


Well after a full seven days, I would have expected that there be some questions.  silence on that front.  everything seems to be the same as if I had not said anything at all.  I would call that a "don't ask don't tell" situation.  My wife  doesn't seem to have any questions at all and I'm finding it concerning.  we just seem to be doing the same thing we've always done.  Ignore the giant elephant in the room.

I hope that once I have an opportunity to speak with the therapist, I'll be able to speak more and re-open the dialog with her.

BTW, The therapist's office called and my appointment has been moved forward 19 days to this coming Wednesday.  I am quite giddy with anticipation.


Colleen
Oh how I wish for wings that work.
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JoanneB

Quote from: AwishForXX on April 13, 2013, 03:07:11 AM
I hope that once I have an opportunity to speak with the therapist, I'll be able to speak more and re-open the dialog with her.

BTW, The therapist's office called and my appointment has been moved forward 19 days to this coming Wednesday.  I am quite giddy with anticipation.
It seems to me that call about the appointment change could be a good coversation starter. You can open the door and see if she walks through it.

I don't know about how things run in your home. For my wife and I weekdays are pretty much routine driven. What little time there is after work, cooking, dinner, claning up, is left for lighter things and a little zoning out, then bed. Heavy duty conversations with their resultant stress are best left for weekends or arranged to have at some point. Such as "Hon, I'd like to talk to you about ______ tomorrow night" Which also allows for the now is OK response.
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