Shopping today as a girl the first time

[Rita]

Make up is expensive,

Passing is more than looking like a lady, it how you present yourself, if you believe you are a woman you will convince people you are...

Looks are about first contact, their initial reaction.  Presentation  changes their mind or seals the deal.  So i completely agree.

[Joanna Dark]

Passing is more than looking like a lady, it how you present yourself, if you believe you are a woman you will convince people you are...

I agree that makeup is just a tool in making someone prettier and that doesn't equal pass, but I don't really understand how believing you are a woman will convince people. I don't really want to have to convince people, but maybe I'm just not seeing the connection or something. I think along with voice, that if you look and talk like a woman, people will think you're a woman. I think looks are more important than voice but if you naturally look feminine then you probably don't have a deep voice.
This has been my experience.(I'm not saying you shouldn't have to practice voice; it's one of the top things on my list.)


But if you don't look the part, this has nothing to do with makeup, you will not pass. I don't really get the whole confidence thing in helping you pass. I mean often times I can walk around and shop or whatever and people are going to assume that I'm either a man or a woman. Now if I act really masculine and talk like a guy, yeah they will start to think trans, but this has more to do with mannerisms that are probably deeply ingrained. I don't know maybe I'm missing something and I'm really not trying to be insulting or anything, I really want to understand cause I'm interested in anything that helps.

[Hideyoshi]

But if you don't look the part, this has nothing to do with makeup, you will not pass. I don't really get the whole confidence thing in helping you pass.

This

If I walk around with a goatee, no matter how confident I am, gonna be gendered a guy.

For me, passing brings confidence.  Not passing diminishes confidence.

[Madison_dawn]

This

If I walk around with a goatee, no matter how confident I am, gonna be gendered a guy.

For me, passing brings confidence.  Not passing diminishes confidence.

yeah but be serious you aren't going to go around like the bearded lady I hope... so, then if you show up with a goatee i applaud your sense of strength, but I wont fault the people that give you a hard time either.

[Joanna Dark]

yeah but be serious you aren't going to go around like the bearded lady I hope

I take your bearded lady and raise you this cis German woman: http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/bearded-mom--when-women-grow-full-blown-facial-hair-185933917.html

[Madison_dawn]

I take your bearded lady and raise you this cis German woman: http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/bearded-mom--when-women-grow-full-blown-facial-hair-185933917.html

Yeah well I call with a Cis woman and her son "Two of a kind"
http://i2.asntown.net/9/motherly_love__bearded_vivian_wheeler_has_been_reu.jpg

OK now this isnt really for laughs I think these women are way braver than me and I wish them the best and yet they have the confidence to have a beared and are seen as women. Wish I had guts like them. but i dont want the beard.

[FrancisAnn]

Make up is expensive,

Passing is more than looking like a lady, it how you present yourself, if you believe you are a woman you will convince people you are...

Noleen, Girl you have some nice legs!