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What changes to facial appearence does estrogen cause and to what degree?

Started by Icarus, May 30, 2007, 08:25:41 AM

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What changes to facial appearence does estrogen cause and to what degree? Does estrogen make lips larger? Does it change the appearence of the eyes? Does estrogen change the shape and appearence of the nose? Can estrogen change the hair line? What aspects of the face can estrogen change?




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Kate

Quote from: Icarus Wings on May 30, 2007, 08:25:41 AM
What changes to facial appearence does estrogen cause and to what degree? Does estrogen make lips larger? Does it change the appearence of the eyes? Does estrogen change the shape and appearence of the nose? Can estrogen change the hair line? What aspects of the face can estrogen change?

Google "Annah Moore" and take a look at her website and pics.

Everyone is different, but for me it basically is moving the fat upwards and forwards... that is, the areas below my cheekbones hollowed out more, but above the cheekbones and down through and around the mouth is super-puffy. I keep joking it's turning me into a pufferfish, lol.

My eyes look different, though I don't know what it is. Probably due to getting puffy under them.

Cheeks get fuller and puffy.

My mouth got pouty-puffy, like it's pushing out into a pucker.

The recession in my temples filled in a lot, though it's far from a rounded, feminine hairline.

A TS friend of mine describes the facial changes as "dramatically subtle," which is about it... it's hard to put your finger on it exactly, yet it's certainly noticable.

~Kate~
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Melissa

You can see some of my earlier pics here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,8146.msg58643.html#msg58643

I'm using one of my more recent pics for my profile, although I normally wear glasses now.
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Keira


Horror pick, day 0.
Notice how small a jaw and chin I had even before (thank god)
Got a rhino and brow bossing done later, but you got a good view at the jawline and around the mouth.



Last month, not best ones, but mouth is relaxed (I usual smile) so
its possible to compare with original photo.





A bit sexy :-), but its the one that most clearly shows the puffyness around the mouth.

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karmatic1110

I am terrified of my lips getting puffier as they are way too big as is!  I know the opposite is usually true but OMG I am in trouble if it makes them look any bigger.  My avatar doesn't do them justice.

Charlotte

gothique11

My face has changed a lot, an I think it varies person to person what happens and to what degree. I've got to go, however, so I don't have time to post some pics. I should get a new picture of myself sometime, too. People keep bugging me that my pictures don't do me justice and in person I look much better than my pictures.
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Kate

Yes, I need a haircut/style, don't even go there, it's just a quick camphone shot at work during a bad hair day. Pre-HRT and 9 months HRT.

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Keira

And you say you don't pass Kate!! Haaaa, give us a break :-) you lovely girl.
You are soon be crushing guys/girls hearts ;-).
You just need self-confidence and possibly some feather like in Dumbo (remember that movie)... In this case, you can use makeup as a your own talisman, but you don't really need it. The changes in your case, in all our cases, are subtle but very powerfull, I'm always surprised at how different we look!!!

Yeah, the H... in your case will make a load of difference, because everything else screams female loud and clear to me.

Good to see you are progressing so well Kate. Big Hug.

BTW: I don't think you have realized how much you changed!!!
The fat around the mouth and in the frontal jawline is quite obvious in your case in very feminising.



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Icarus

Dear Kate:

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Oh my heavens, you are beautiful :icon_bunch: :icon_bunch: :icon_bunch:

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debbiej

Just a quick thank you for the topic and replies. It is just the kind of thing I need to see. I'm not on HRT and so uninformed on what is possible with HRT. I read things but seeing you all has been very helpful.

My big step was shaving two weeks ago. I asked my wife if I could and because of the emotional state I was in at the time she said yes. A couple days later our roles were reversed. I was in a good place mentally after trying the clean shaven look and she was having a VERY difficult time with it. So to save her the mental anguish of me proceeding too fast I grew it back. Now its trimmed very neatly and very close.

Your topic and folks replies have helped me see the possibilities for when its time to try again.

Thanks again,

Debbie
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Lori

I'll let you know in a few months. Here is a pic of me day one of my transition...which I officially started today with my full dose of HRT. This is just me as normal everyday, not trying to be female or pass or do anything but live and work as male. I'm sure it will get harder in the upcoming months.




https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=652

I'll post pics in the coming months to see what changes if any there are.
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Kate on June 01, 2007, 11:25:59 AM
Yes, I need a haircut/style, don't even go there, it's just a quick camphone shot at work during a bad hair day.

Please don't show a good picture, I'm jealous already. ;)

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Kate

Quote from: Icarus Wings on June 02, 2007, 03:33:09 AM
I guess what is so stunning about Kate's photo is she is not just very attractive, but she has a feminine innocence and a tenderness to her look. WOW talking about Snow White! Oh my heavens!

Awl, thank you so much... everyone... for the kind words. Really... THANK you.

It's ironic: when I started all this, I assumed that getting *other* people to see me for who I am would be my challenge.

But it seems for some of us, the real challenge is changing our own self-perception.

There REALLY should be a "Transitioning for Dummies" manual for this stuff, lol...

~Kate~
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Buffy

I have been on Estrogen nearly 8 years now and cant really judge facial changes due to the FFS that I have had.

Kate: .... I hate to say this but you where a cute guy.

But ... a very pretty and passable woman.

Buffy
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Jeannette

Most people that knew me from before believe that I've had FFS, but I've never had any type of facial surgery.  My nose has become thinner, my jaw line has dramatically softened, my cheeks seem to be more prominent now, my entire face has rounded, my eyes seem larger. I'm literally a new person to my family and long-time friends.

I sometimes hear that estrogen doesn't change the appearance of the face; I'm not quite sure about that because it virtually gave me a different face without the need of surgery.  I can't give you an example of what I used to look like, but you wouldn't say that I look "male", would you?
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karmatic1110

Wow Kate, I remember awhile back when I first came to the forums, you shared with me that when you started you had feelings of self doubt about how well you will pass...you look fantastic :) and you also made me feel a whole lot better about my chances as well.  I am so glad you  posted the picture!  Thank you!

Charlotte

Renae.Lupini

Quote from: Kate on June 02, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
when I started all this, I assumed that getting *other* people to see me for who I am would be my challenge.

But it seems for some of us, the real challenge is changing our own self-perception.
~Kate~

You hit it right on the head. We are so worried about what others will think that we don;t even know how we feel about ourselves. Switching the two around makes life a whole lot easier. :)
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Keira

At first, our self-esteem is so battered that if people look at us we often assume its because we are clocked; we assume the worse because of out bent self-image.

I know that I passed as female 4 months into HRT when its obvious from pictures that I looked 10 times more male than now, yet till lately, still, I still felt this fleeting self-consciousness, of being on the verge of being discovered when people that knew me pre-HRT can't even pick me out of a small group.

Kate, if you want to know if its self-perception that's the problem; when you wake up, still groggy, open the bathroom light and look in the mirror for 1-2 seconds, don't linger. The groggyness and short exposures time with sort of bypass normal self-criticism and you'll see yourself, at that instant, like others do.

The first time I realized that, 3 months back, I went to the bathroom in the middle of the night and opened the light and was flabbergasted in the first instants at how female I looked!!! I then sat on the toilet and just cried of joy...  Later in the day, after the brain restarted, as critical as ever, I saw all those male traits again and felt as self-conscious about them as ever.

But, now, a few months down the road, I don't see that old me anymore, I have integrated the new image into my psyche and its the only one I see. In fact, I can't seem to remember how I looked like before. When I see pictures of me last year, its like a different person, I have difficulty putting myself in that picture.

I can't recall Kate, did you come out at work already. If not, I don't who you're trying to fool ;-). Change that name, wear that dress, live that life you deserve, god YOU ARE READY.




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tinkerbell

Well, my face has totally changed.  There's no way that people who knew me from before could recognize me.  I personally think that the effects you get from HRT have a lot to do with genetics.  While it is true that some people change drastically with the use of hormones, it is also true that some do not.  I wish I could share a photo of my evil twin, but I don't find it appropriate anymore; besides, some of you have already seen them, so you know that it is true.

tink :icon_chick:
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Icarus

Dear Malissa:

Have you ever been to Providence Town, on Cape Code, MA. It is a very well known artistic LGBT beach holiday community with many art galleries? The reason why I am asking, is I am going nuts trying to remember where on earth I have met you! ???


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