Christian Heaven?

[peky]

eternity...see...hear...feel....all very human concepts for the four dimensional universe we live in

After death our spirit lives this universe and dwells in the presence of G-d...how close to G-d depends on how you deal -post mortem- with the knowledge of your bad actions...

It is not your sins on earth that would keep away from the presence of G-d but your inability to repent from your bad deeds...in other words your lack of humbleness...

It is those who in their haughtiness and false pride deny the wrongness of their actions, that condemn themselves to stay in our universe -as spirits- feeling the passage of time away from G-d until they repent. Their torment is being away from G-d, hearing the calling of G-d and refusing to repent...G-d never condemn them, they condemn themselves...

Heaven is but an state of bliss when in the presence of G-d....

[Jess42]

I would like to hear your thoughts on how you think heaven would be like as a Christian.


I would love to be reborn as a biological male and enjoy all the great and pleasurable sensations that a biological male body could give me.  I also would like a mansion overlooking a beach.  I could surf the heavenly cosmos too.  My mansion would have a game room with a large flatscreen tv and unlimited storage on my PS3.  When I'm not lazy I would like to be in a video game with the God mode cheat on lol.  I also would like a partner to spend an eternity with and I am going to be honest.  I would like to have a sexual and intimate relationship with that partner as well.  I'd like to cosplay in heaven too and get on the internet.  Oh yeah and I want to eat all the food I want and not get fat.  That mean Chinese, cheesecake, philly cheesesteaks and curly fries, seafood, etc. and I would be in perfect health.

I could literally write 10-20 pages of what I would like to do in heaven but those are just a few things.  I just want it to be like a "whatever would make you happy go for it" type thing.


However it does make me sad when I hear people saying that I wouldn't want these Earthly things in heaven like sex, food, video games, surfing, sleeping etc. and that all we would want to do is worship God 24/7 nonstop. That's fine for the people want to do that but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Christian who secretly feels that that doesn't sound like fun at all.  There I said it and I feel relieved.

Another thing is the gender aspect.  Do you think you will keep your gender in heaven?  A lot of people don't think so since everyone is united but if that's the case why should I even transition if it won't matter in the afterlife?  Is it possible that part of the Bible was not to be taken literally (same with the no marriage in heaven aspect)?

I mean no disrepect to others who feel opposite of me but I'm just trying to figure it out.  I just want to be happy in the afterlife.

How do you feel about these things?   

Please don't take this the wrong way but you are materializing the concept of heaven too much. Streets of gold and all that stuff, I can't buy either. Bringing heaven down to what you wish or desire in a material existance, does an injustice to God or whetever else you choose to call our Creator and the concept of Heaven or whatever name it may be called.

I think peky sums up the concept of Heaven perfectly.

As For your Spirit, since it was Created by a Perfect Devine Entity in that Entity's very own image, then your Spirit is perfect too. Even though we make bad decisions and do bad things sometimes. I do believe in reincarnation and I do believe in The Christ, but not in a mainstream sort of way. I believe that our physical manifestation is just a means of learning to Perfect the Spirit. Creation of life in this physcal world takes male and female aspects. This is true of animals and plants due to seeds and or eggs and fertilization and so on in nature. Since all the stories in Christianity state that there is only one God, does it not make sense that that Enitity has aspects of both male and female in order to Create? And since our Spirits were created in that same Devine Image, that our Spirits also have both male and female apsects? I do believe that this world is a reflection of the Spiritual world but on a much lower vibrational level.

With that said, what gender is the Spirit? Like I said ealier both gender aspects exists. But we grow more comfortable with one set af attributes and Spiritually identify with them. My Spirit is comfortable with the female attributes. And I would choose to be physically female, but just so happens that we have to experience the opposite attributes physically from time to time. Since I am transgender, am I failing this test? Or is the lesson to live more Spiritually than Physically? I don't know. I won't know until I can leave the binds of the physical body. All I can really do is try to understand and just try to do as much good as I can and try not to hurt anyone. I and no one else are abominations of God because we were Greated by God, Not the body because that is a product of the physical world we inhabit but rather the Spirit that can exist on any other world in our Solar System or anywhere else in the Universe. What you may ask does the Soul or Spirit look like. I will tell you Pure Intellegent Energy that or physical eyes can see or our minds can't percieve at this time in our Spiritual history. Yes, I know people see Ghosts and lights and such, but with me and studying paranormal activities, I believe it may be Spirits manipulating Physical energies that we can percieve.

I don't believe that our Creator wants our woship, but longs for us to Understand the Mind of such. Think of it this way, you have a child. You nuture that child. That child goes to school and learns, you love the child. The child will mess up and will have to face some kind of repurcussions for the mistake though. The child graduates School. All throughout that Child's life, what do you want from him or her? That they worship you 24/7 and you can control them and want them to do whatever you say, or that they succeed in their own lives and can understand you and have conversations at the same level? Me, I would rather understand the mind of God more than anything else but, I like everyone else on this planet, am still in proverbial grade school.

Try, my friend to ascend the Spirit in order to obtain knowledge of Spiritual matters and Our Creator instead of bringing those down to a physical level for understanding. Sometimes the harder life seems, we are in actuality learning more on a Spirtual level.

Now everyone can call Jessica crazy or insane. My feelings won't be hurt because I question my sanity all the time.

[King Malachite]

After death our spirit lives this universe and dwells in the presence of G-d...how close to G-d depends on how you deal -post mortem- with the knowledge of your bad actions...

It is not your sins on earth that would keep away from the presence of G-d but your inability to repent from your bad deeds...in other words your lack of humbleness...

I think I've heard that too as a type of reward-to be closer to Him.  I don't really have any humbleness though so I'd probably be far far away. 

And since our Spirits were created in that same Devine Image, that our Spirits also have both male and female apsects? I do believe that this world is a reflection of the Spiritual world but on a much lower vibrational level.

With that said, what gender is the Spirit? Like I said ealier both gender aspects exists. But we grow more comfortable with one set af attributes and Spiritually identify with them.

I've come to agree with this.  Another trans person had brought up the topic on Youtube a while back and pretty much said that since God made people in his image, that means He encompasses both.  I couldn't quite grasp on to that concept back then but I do now, or at least I'm getting better at it.

I think that the afterlife is what it is and that I have to accept what I find.   It would be scarier if the afterlife is what one imagines it to be, then we would be trapped in our own self-delusion.    If the afterlife just isn't, then we would never know, because we wouldn't be.   So I would just rather not have any preconceived notion of the afterlife.   However can we ever be sure that we are not just trapped in the matrix of self-delusion???

Life is as expansive or confined as we emotionally make it.   This world is a physical one, the afterlife is a spiritual one.  I would rather look of existence as a "walkabout" in which we are forever traveling and exploring and evolving through the many worlds of God.   Our existence evolves as our perception of its many paradigms expands.   Has not the computer, our ability to use the computer to view our physical world using the whole electromagnetic spectrum, the Humble Telescope, as well as our multitude of satellites and planetary rovers, changed the paradigm of our physical world, and expanded the possibilities of what the spiritual world could be like.   If our vision of life is limited by our individual ability of perceive it and our language ability to describe it, is not our spiritual sight of the spiritual world limited by our soul's ability to perceive it. 

Our physical world is limited by the possible combinations that its physical substances and energy can be shaped into.   What limits creation in the spiritual world.   Does anything limit God's ability of create?   I would not dare to assume that God has any limits since I believe that God exists beyond limits.   

We are limited by our inability to see what we can't understand and explain.  So it is quite possible that our afterlife can only be delusional and we are limited only by our inability to change and evolve.   If we think we know, we probably don't.

Great thoughts and insight Michelle!

[Vicky]

Dig up a copy of the British Christian Apologist C.S. Lewis' The Great Divorce and have a good fun read on a different view of heaven and hell.  Lewis books of the Narnia series are a favorite of the cartoon industry just now, but the Great Divorce paints a picture of post death, unlike the majority of Literalist Christian suppositions of heaven and hell.  Lewis' version of heaven is a place where you need only look at God and say "God thy will be done" which will require that you give up ALL parts of your earthly life including forms of belief in God.  If we cannot be willing to give up ALL, then God will reply to us, "Child, thy will be done!" and there will be tears in God's eye.  I don't want to spoil the story too much, but to me it makes more sense than some other views of the problem.

Read the book, it gave me a totally new idea of how and where my life was directed.