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Yeson voice feminization surgery

Started by Jennygirl, April 22, 2013, 06:09:10 PM

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anjaq

The forehead cannot be that bad if you can hide it in that picture, Abby ;)

So did you also read the same passage in a feminine pre op voice? It would be interesting possibly to compare those. Good for you you did that very soon. I think it will make a lot of things easier for you, seeing how well that one went :)

I personally still would much rather use my feminine voice in public than what I had before, even if it seems that it really is not so good - at least it is somewhat passable in combination with myself. The older one - no chance in hell ;) . But I guess it is smarter to do it like you did. I think I damaged my vocal cords from years of doing what I do. And getting a cold now to the 10th time or so this year does not help either :(

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Shantel

Quote from: anjaq on September 30, 2013, 01:16:13 PM
The forehead cannot be that bad if you can hide it in that picture, Abby ;)


Probably like so many still envisioning their former self every time they look into a mirror. She's gorgeous, there's nothing wrong with her forehead, it's what's inside her head that has to catch up with her new reality! Shush, she'll hear us talking about her.  :D ;D :laugh:
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anjaq

yeah right, Shantel. I could probably show a pic of mine and go on about how it looks so male-ish and no one would believe me either ;)

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abbyt89

Lol, I know part of it is me seeing my old self, but trust me it's masculine - I have the trifecta of sloped forehead, brow ridge, and temporal lines.

Anyway to answer your question Anjaq, yes  they did record me doing it in my feminine voice. I'll ask Jessie if she can send me the file.
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anjaq

Well if that is so then you did a terrific job at hiding that in the picture because I see none of that at all. Or at least not substantial enough to require action. Or did you photoshop it ;)

But thanks for looking for the recording. Thats interesting.

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Jennygirl

Quote from: anjaq on September 30, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
Well if that is so then you did a terrific job at hiding that in the picture because I see none of that at all. Or at least not substantial enough to require action.

+1. You gawgeous! :D :D
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Antonia J

Abby - that is amazing.  Thank you for being so open and sharing. Your journey is quite inspiring! Toni
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margaux29

hi. I'm happy for you, Abby, your voice is natural, this surgery reassures me when I see the result. My doctor's voice in paris, taught me a great news! I show him the technique Yeson voice center and its results, it is not surprise. For her, this is the best technical surgery today. For 20 years, the service of the best voices of France, in Paris, Practical surgery of the voice (femization, cancer, ...), but the result was random, because techique aproximation cricopharyngeal thyoridiene is often disappointing (voice hoarse, electric, volume loss, ....) even if it Practical by a very good surgeon. Before my doctor's voice, would send his patient who had a very masculine voice, For people with an androgynous female voice between both team paris discourage the operation because the risk was too great. Over the past year, the team performs paris even technical Yeson voice center, My doctor told me that the voice its superb result. Today my voice is androgynous female, but in public, I still can not use my voice with stress. I'm study Realtor, I love communicating with gents! and the voice is very important in this trade! My doctor advised me the operation on the operation. They perform the operation on 15 patient and not failure. But my doctor told me, after the operation, it is necessary to work the resonance and intonation. I can not give you the coordinate of the service, in paris, I ask if I can serve to advertise internationally. In France my operation would reimburse 100%. When you make a transition in France, and is followed by a psychiatrist and endrocrinologue official, hormones and consultations and srs are reimbursed at 100%, my laser hair removal 50%, ffs if the person is very masculine. But I prefer to do my srs with Suporn which for me is the best, in France made progress in srs but I do not totally trust ais! I give you the coordinate service if it allows me, in France the law prohibits the surgeon to the pub, unlike other countries, it is frowned upon, each country has different custom. The surgeons are very good reputation among the patient (forum ...). Most gliomas so dificult in France when you make a transition is the change of paper, must be operating to begin the process and is very long! I love my country but there is the thing that gets on my nerves deeply. France is a country that loves to morale countries and appears when the country of human rights! But the story and go from France is not wonderful, (war, nuclear tests, colonization, after the usa, russia, china, country sells more weapons, sending his old military ship in countries poor, ..). Excuse me, I'm me depart the main subject. France is among the countries where life is very expensive, but prices are very correct operations. The same operation as in Paris Yeson would estimate up to $ 3,000, the price of hotels in paris are between 100 and 200 dollard night. I think to have surgery in 4-6 months, I would testify to my experience in Paris.

I can not seem to put a picture of me on my avatar
for people who do not know me, I have a presentation to me on page 22.

Sorry, my english writing is not terrible
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margaux29

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0KOAuMfTd7y

Here is a recording of my voice, my English is not great and I have French intonnation
my normal human voice is 130 Hz, and my female voice is 170 Hz, sometimes I can best assets a resonance, but it is very hard to control the pitch and resonance simultaneously.
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anjaq

Hello, to France, we are in global terms neighbors then. Here in Germany it seems that it is at least possible to get insurance cover for voice surgery, but I am not sure. It seems that you need to jump through a couple of hops for that. We also have a lot of the same benefits as in france in respect to surgeries covered by insurances, so we are kind of spoiled in terms of not paying much for transition. I assume that in France you have the same issue with going out of the country, that is the insurance will not cover it if you go to a different country to do a voice surgery or SRS? This is kind of really mean, you are faced with the decision then to do it locally (in Germany voice surgery seems to be done in Berlin with the same technique) with doctors who may not have as much experience because they do mostly other surgeries and this is only less than 1% or so. Or you have the choice to go to a different country and go to Korea for example, but then you have to pay a lot for it, while otherwise you would get it on insurance. I find it hard to judge if the skill of Yeson compard to the skill of the people in Europe is really that much different that it is worth spending roughly $10000 more on it.
Its idiotic anyways I believe. The insurance probably would save money sending people to Korea instead of Berlin. Esp as they don't need to cover hotel and flight. I am sure the people in Berlin will charge the insurance more than the $7000 Yeson charges. But thats the system :s

I like your voice, Margeaux - if surgery allows you to keep that at all times and not just when you really watch it, it would be nice for you. It is a lower pitch, but still female and sounds good. I think in Europe voices of women generally have a lower pitch than in the USA - I read a study on that recently. Seems that women are using higher pitch in the USA than in Germany. Thats some cultural difference. I dont know about France, though.


A big question to Jenny and Abby though as I saw again resonance training being mentioned:
If you already looked into it or have begun it (or still use some techniques from before) - in what way do you have to train resonance. I always focussed a lot on the elimination of chest resonance which is done as we all probably know by pulling up the voicebox. Now I learned that the other part of resonance is to improve head resonance. So you have to focus on both of them after the surgery, do you still need to do as much control on the chest resonance as before, or is resonance control easier for the chest resonance and you focus more on getting head resonance up to make the voice fuller and louder?

Thank you

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Evolving Beauty

Quote from: abbyt89 on September 30, 2013, 06:54:16 AM
Hey everyone, Yeson uploaded my before/after clip. You can listen to it here:

I forgot how deep my voice used to be!!

The change is sooooo RADICAL!!!  :o
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Evolving Beauty

Quote from: margaux29 on October 02, 2013, 06:34:02 AM
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0KOAuMfTd7y

Here is a recording of my voice, my English is not great and I have French intonnation
my normal human voice is 130 Hz, and my female voice is 170 Hz, sometimes I can best assets a resonance, but it is very hard to control the pitch and resonance simultaneously.

Did you do with Yeson as well? Very impressing!
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margaux29

thank you, no, I have not done surgery voice is female voice with my training, it's very hard for me to keep it constantly and I think it still sounds a male can.
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anjaq

Margeaux, I don't think it sounds male at all. Its a good voice really. I guess the only reason to do a surgery on that voice is if you have trouble keeping it, if it strains too much or such. Funny how it seems to be taken for a post-surgery voice even :)

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Shantel

Quote from: margaux29 on October 02, 2013, 09:37:04 AM
thank you, no, I have not done surgery voice is female voice with my training, it's very hard for me to keep it constantly and I think it still sounds a male can.

Margaux,
       It is a very feminine female voice to be sure, but keeping constant is always such a problem for everyone. That is the beauty of what Jenny, Abby and others have achieved at Yeson, because now it is no longer anything they have to think about, work at or be concerned about. Very nice voice recording though, thank you for sharing!
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margaux29


Here is my normal voice guy, unfortunately, I can not keep my voice constantly, (tired, sore throat, stress), but I will never back down to 130 hz, if I speak without thinking I should be around 150 hz but this is too low for her to be a female voice. I understand jenny abby and why we do the surgery. My doctor's voice is not worried, because I master the resonance. The transaction increases the height, it is a comfort, but it is the resonance that makes the difference and intonnation.


http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Bws1tk4LQI






















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Shantel

Quote from: margaux29 on October 02, 2013, 10:11:42 AM
Here is my normal voice guy, unfortunately, I can not keep my voice constantly, (tired, sore throat, stress), but I will never back down to 130 hz, if I speak without thinking I should be around 150 hz but this is too low for her to be a female voice. I understand jenny abby and why we do the surgery. My doctor's voice is not worried, because I master the resonance. The transaction increases the height, it is a comfort, but it is the resonance that makes the difference and intonnation.


http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Bws1tk4LQI

Quite a remarkable difference from female to male voice. Still, even your male voice has a certain soft lilt to it that is a little unlike many males, perhaps it's because you are French?
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Jennygirl

So a little story.. I got my new cell phone today (the galaxy note 3 - it is huuge and awesome!! ;)). I called AT&T because I wanted to change my phone number along with getting the new phone, and I verified all of my info using my old name because I still hadn't changed it. When I told the lady on the line that I wanted to change my number, she kind of laughed and asked me... "So be honest with me, are you just some crazy girlfriend trying to screw with your ex?"

She really doubted me at first, but then I told her that I was trans and that there was nothing I could do to sound any different because I had a voice surgery. After a few details about my transition, I finally made a believer out of her. She then became so happy for me that she ended up waiving the fee to change numbers and sent me on my merry way!

To avoid any further confusion, I also had her switch the name on the account. Another one down!

Kinda makes me laugh because I realized how easy it would be for someone posing as someone else to play a fake trans card over the phone. Like.. if I actually was just a crazy ex and told her I was trans to get out of being found out, someone could really wreak havoc on an account as long as they had the right information. Lol...

Either way, it is yet another shining example of how badly I male-fail all over the phone anymore. I was actually trying to lower my pitch a little bit at first and it still wasn't enough to make my voice be read as anything but female. I had to be down in the 150-160hz range because I also have a cold, but it still wasn't enough. This surgery is absolutely priceless, and I'm so incredibly happy for all of us that it exists.
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anjaq

Haha - nice story :)
I liked the "i cannot go lower" part ;)
But dont give the crazy ex girlfriends any ideas there, maybe in the future it would be not so easy for us anymore to get things done that way if some ex girlfriends pulled that number ;)

Curious though - if you go down to 150 and stop resonance control - would you manage to sound androgynous then? From what I heard resonance makes a huge difference and you seem to be really good at doing that right... did some of that change with voice surgery?

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Lexi Belle

Quote from: anjaq on October 03, 2013, 05:53:52 AM
Haha - nice story :)
I liked the "i cannot go lower" part ;)
But dont give the crazy ex girlfriends any ideas there, maybe in the future it would be not so easy for us anymore to get things done that way if some ex girlfriends pulled that number ;)

Curious though - if you go down to 150 and stop resonance control - would you manage to sound androgynous then? From what I heard resonance makes a huge difference and you seem to be really good at doing that right... did some of that change with voice surgery?

Resonance is literally the defining difference, IMHO.  You can have a high pitch with the typical chest resonance, and you'll just sound like a boy. Really though, it's usually good to start with a lower pitch than what your goal is and slowing creep your way up through comfort.  Don't just push it up there and fight for it, take it slow!

Oh, and here's where I'm at right now,  I thought about this surgery for a while, but anymore I think it'll be one of the last things I get done. Let me know what you guys think!
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0qvr5NWLunM
Skype- Alexandria.Edelmeyer
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