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I swear my dad just wants to ruin my life.

Started by Tadpole, May 09, 2013, 01:29:46 AM

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Tadpole

Nothing I will do will ever get him to not think I'm a bad son or daughter. I have already apologized for the mistakes of my past. Why doesn't he apologize for HIS. It's just deny, deny, deny.  When I was 24 he kicked down the door, I'd overdosed and the doctors said I would have died. I honestly wouldn't mind. So I called him out for his harassment and he said he didn't do anything wrong. My parents tried to raise me as hyper feminine and it backfired pretty by before the end of grade school.  My mom has since come around but he hasn't. Trying to raise me by saying stay away from a grill as if I'd never figure out how to use one. Stay away from those dangerous chainsaws and other "manly" activities. I want you to be smart but not too smart because you might surpass me in intelligence. Now I feel weak and insecure because I think it's possible that you might have done so. I'm not even that smart, but maybe intelligence is NOT A GENDERED THING after all.  Now he wants to tell me "there's no way you could be a man" and "don't even think about transitioning".  I think he's watching every step and me wearing more guy's clothes with suspicion. Wants to resort to his forceful B.S. and stare of death to try to exert control over me again. So the sexual harassment stops because he realizes that giving me hell about wanting to live life as a male is potentially more damaging to me at this point.  I already attach too much oppression to phallic symbolism. I have had a hard enough life already. Go to hell, jackass. The only solution is to find non-oppressive phallic symbolism in nothing.

Edited for profanity
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The obsolete tadpole.
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spacial

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Jamie D

Here's the thing tadpole ... as long as you are in your parent's house, they are going to exert a degree of control.  The more independent you become, the more you will be free to be yourself.

Learning to deal with Neanderthals, even if they are related to you, will serve you in the real world, because, let's face it, there are a lot of them out there.
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Cindy

I obviously don't know your circumstance but you are an adult. You walk your path and call your shots.

I left home when I was 17ish. My parents loved me but I couldn't be their daughter and I was. I also had other issues  to deal with and the way for me was to be me.

When I left I answered to me. No one else.

When I screwed up I was to blame, when I got drunk, I was to blame, when I tried suicide, I was the only one affected.

I still walk my path. I'm still the only person responsible for me. I have no one except me to fall back on.

Sometime, somewhere, somehow you have to face the decision.

You are the only person who can make it.

And no one else's decision will ever matter again.

Sorry for being harsh, but we have to face life.

Cindy
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Tadpole

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm in my early 30's and do not live with my parents. I do live in the same town as them, up until recently I have gone to school and worked here on and off during most of my 20's so it never really occurred to me to move until recently.  I know people, but it's not un-thought of for me to pack up my stuff and store it, buy a plane ticket, take what I need most and get far away from here like my brother did around my age. Life isn't fun to face, I live on an alternate plane and I am basically okay with the continued indecision for awhile as long as I can cross-dress. Thanks for the helpful words written. The less compassionate ones I was hoping for a better response. Not because I think I deserve an awesome response or anything like that but because I am already facing a fair amount of adversity here, my family/friends and those I love are mostly not understanding, and I am going to have to develop friendships with new people more and think carefully of who I out myself to, at least for now.
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Tadpole

And my attitude here probably is a bit unnecessary, it's just I should have thought more before posting as there is a non-swearing rule and I tend to swear like a drunken sailor. I did find some of your post helpful, Cindy, even though you said it was harsh. Thank you for sharing.
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The obsolete tadpole.
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Cindy

Quote from: Tadpole on May 09, 2013, 04:36:53 AM
And my attitude here probably is a bit unnecessary, it's just I should have thought more before posting as there is a non-swearing rule and I tend to swear like a drunken sailor. I did find some of your post helpful, Cindy, even though you said it was harsh. Thank you for sharing.

I can assure you I love you and feel for you. Nothing I said was to make you feel bad.

Cindy
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Jamie D

Quote from: Tadpole on May 09, 2013, 04:34:40 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm in my early 30's and do not live with my parents. I do live in the same town as them, up until recently I have gone to school and worked here on and off during most of my 20's so it never really occurred to me to move until recently.  I know people, but it's not un-thought of for me to pack up my stuff and store it, buy a plane ticket, take what I need most and get far away from here like my brother did around my age. Life isn't fun to face, I live on an alternate plane and I am basically okay with the continued indecision for awhile as long as I can cross-dress. Thanks for the helpful words written. The less compassionate ones I was hoping for a better response. Not because I think I deserve an awesome response or anything like that but because I am already facing a fair amount of adversity here, my family/friends and those I love are mostly not understanding, and I am going to have to develop friendships with new people more and think carefully of who I out myself to, at least for now.

Sorry, I misunderstood you.  When you said he kicked in your door, I thought you meant your bedroom door.
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Donna Elvira

Quote from: Tadpole on May 09, 2013, 04:34:40 AM
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm in my early 30's and do not live with my parents. I do live in the same town as them, up until recently I have gone to school and worked here on and off during most of my 20's so it never really occurred to me to move until recently.  I know people, but it's not un-thought of for me to pack up my stuff and store it, buy a plane ticket, take what I need most and get far away from here like my brother did around my age. Life isn't fun to face, I live on an alternate plane and I am basically okay with the continued indecision for awhile as long as I can cross-dress. Thanks for the helpful words written. The less compassionate ones I was hoping for a better response. Not because I think I deserve an awesome response or anything like that but because I am already facing a fair amount of adversity here, my family/friends and those I love are mostly not understanding, and I am going to have to develop friendships with new people more and think carefully of who I out myself to, at least for now.

Hi Tadpole,
Your first post very much gave the impression that you were still living with your parents. Even if you are not, it sounds like you still  allow them to  have a lot of influence over you eg. "Now he wants to tell me "there's no way you could be a man" and "don't even think about transitioning".  I think he's watching every step and me wearing more guy's clothes with suspicion. Wants to resort to his forceful B.S. and stare of death to try to exert control over me again."

If that corresponds to reality and you really do want to break free, I'm inclined to agree with Cindy that it might be a good idea to put more distance between you and your parents. I know that moving far away can feel very scary but like Cindy, I also got out very early, age 18, even moving to a different country with a different language.

Nothing too bad happened to me and I still think it is one of the best moves I ever made in my life as it allowed me the freedom to genuinely become myself. Unlike you, at the time I couldn't even put a finger on "what was wrong with me". I  just knew that I didn't fit and that I needed more space than I would ever have been allowed in my home environment (which includes living in the same town as my parents) to discover who I really was.

Take care.
Donna

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spacial

No problem Tadpole, at all.

My family were pretty controlling. Though in their case it was because I was the whipping post and they needed to harrange me simply to justify their own precieved failings.

In my case, I simply cut off all contact.

Knowing them, I'm pretty sure they will rant, now and then, about their miserable childhoods and so on. Basically my fault.

I don't care.

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Tadpole

Hey Jamie, that is right. When I was 24 he kicked in my bedroom door which I had locked. At that time I was living with them though I did live in a different town for awhile. I sort of viewed that as an immense violation of my right to privacy. Since I was unconscious there of course was no way I could fight back by telling him to go away or say, "fine, I'll open it."  So that has always bothered me even though there are some who would argue that a parent would do anything to save their child but I don't even think he loves me necessarily and am more inclined to think he did that to send some kind of message more like you can't get away from me, you can't get away from your suffering, I will do anything in my power to show you that. Now I view the powerful inclinations to try to stop me from transitioning almost as the same thing. Maybe this is wrong to think.

But anyway, trying to go somewhere else that is quite a distance away would probably be a very good idea. I'm not going to be able to initially, I really don't have enough money but just accepted a job so then I should have the money that's necessary.

Spacial, you understand what it's like to have a controlling family.
They will do anything in their power to make you live the life they want to, try to control who you are romantically involved with and sometimes even your friends, try to control what you put in your body, what you do to your body, and your finances, and how you spend your money, your politics, what businesses you deal with and where you live.

This is what my situation is, only by arguing for years and trying every approach I have been able to get them to exert less control. They will in turn attempt to shower me with gifts and unconditional love. Wow. I tell them I don't really need the financial support and they would up until recently insist on all of it anyway.

Yes, I almost feel that the trouble I have gone through to try to improve the relationship makes it harder for me to just cut of all contact. Then occasionally my other relatives will weigh in and say that I should really try to give them a chance. I've given them a lot of chances really.  At times I have cut of contact all but completely and changed my phone number. Then I got into a bind or wanted to talk to my mom or get a phone number of the relative and then they start calling me again. I will go into denial mode over the stuff that they have done to hurt me just to tolerate the interactions. This is something that I have done with toxic friends before as well.

So moving away is something I'll pretty much have to do soon because in order to get some of the separation I need from them, it will really help to not live in the same area. Even if I live in the south which is probably what'll happen, I should have more freedom that way.

Donna, thanks for the advice.

Cindy, I appreciate what you have said. Thanks for the assurances.

I just try to be as separate from them as I can.  Like I said my mom was okay with me transitioning when I mentioned it to her. So I'm not worried about how I stand with her on this issue.  They are lonely and disappointed that my brothers have moved away and I am the only one left. I guess I am the only one who was born female so maybe my dad wanted a daughter or something like that but I'm not really even that close to that. Really more of a son. A sensitive and emotional one.

I've been diagnosed with random bs, put on junk antipsychotics and told that I need to stay on them, it's hard to find a doctor that will take me off.  So low on energy and depressed. They pick up on that and feed on all of it, saying that they think I will crash without them or going to a new city and hardly knowing anyone there initially. 

Learning complete independence is kind of tough because I was encouraged to be the opposite. I'm getting there though, being without a car has given me an ultimatum, take their rides they offer or take bus/cab/walk everywhere in the city and frequently deal with getting stuck out in bad weather or dangerous areas of town. Even with that it's worth it.

It'll work out somehow. Frankly I am gender confused at the least and androgynous, a feminine guy rather than a masculine girl. That is what I have found over all these years of experimenting with the lesbian, poly, bisexual communities. You name it, but until recently not transgender. I even wore makeup and things like that, tried to be more feminine than I am and it felt forced and unnatural. Now that I stopped trying to be someone I am not and stopped being in denial about the crossdressing by doing it but saying "it means nothing" and not looking into the idea of gender further rather shifting all the focus to my sexuality (or lack there-of) as possibly another means of denial.

So I'll probably move and transition, regardless of the risks, and cut off communication with my parents completely if they can't handle it or harass me for it because it's not something I need. I have been bullied in high school and beyond for my gender and sexuality expressions being different than usual, and I know that I can't escape a bullying world or neanderthals of all genders, but I what I can do much of the time, is minimize contact with them.

Thank you for listening.
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The obsolete tadpole.
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Donna Elvira

Quote from: Tadpole on May 09, 2013, 11:05:38 PM

It'll work out somehow. Frankly I am gender confused at the least and androgynous, a feminine guy rather than a masculine girl. That is what I have found over all these years of experimenting with the lesbian, poly, bisexual communities. You name it, but until recently not transgender. I even wore makeup and things like that, tried to be more feminine than I am and it felt forced and unnatural. Now that I stopped trying to be someone I am not and stopped being in denial about the crossdressing by doing it but saying "it means nothing" and not looking into the idea of gender further rather shifting all the focus to my sexuality (or lack there-of) as possibly another means of denial.

So I'll probably move and transition, regardless of the risks, and cut off communication with my parents completely if they can't handle it or harass me for it because it's not something I need. I have been bullied in high school and beyond for my gender and sexuality expressions being different than usual, and I know that I can't escape a bullying world or neanderthals of all genders, but I what I can do much of the time, is minimize contact with them.

Thank you for listening.

Hi again Tadpole,
I have just read your post as I have breakfast. Things don't exactly look clear-cut for you and I guess that can hardly help with your self-affirmation. Again creating  space for self discovery can be very helpful in such situations but you also need to insure that the cure is not worse than the disease.

In spite of what you consider to be an excessively contolling environment, it does sound like your parents really do care and watch out for you. Against that, you said you were in your thirties so it probably is high time you took control of your own life.

Given your overall situation, are there people you know in another region you would consider moving to who could provide a supportive environment to set yourself up in? I'm not talking about moving in with someone, but why not if necessary to start off? No, I'm just thinking of people who can help you find your way in a strange place without you having to go back to your parents for help if things do not work out quite as you would like because that is when they take control again. 

Things always work out better when you have done some decent planning. That's probably what you should be doing now. 

To finish on a different subject entirely, are you seeing a therapist riight now and if yes, have you discussed all of this with that person?

Warm regards.
Donna
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Tadpole

Hi Donna, thanks for reading. Things aren't that clear cut but the way I look at it there's two options- do what I have been doing all along, and that might be a little easier in some ways but it's ultimately not a good decision for me. Or doing what I might be more afraid of doing and dealing with the potential consequences but probably having a better outcome overall including having more freedom even if I lose some people that used to be in my life. Unfortunately I don't know large quantities of people in any one city other than my current. I think I might know 3-4 people in Minneapolis. Most other cities I have at most 1-2 friends or family and there is no guarantee of a close relationship with them just because I move there, but it would be good to have someone in the city to call in case of an emergency at the very least. Where I'm thinking of going I don't know anyone but my brother is in the next state over. I've thought that it might be more ideal if I could meet someone who wanted to move with me but honestly I don't see that happening with my friends grounded here and my tendency to stay away from intimate relationships where that kind of thing might be more likely (and really, such a relationship might be what I need). So, I've been doing some planning or at least research into what city might be a good idea to live in, and a city is probably the best option. There's a possibility my job could allow me to transfer to Orlando if I stick with it and that sounds like it might be an okay place to live, then I wouldn't have to worry about finding new work there again.
I am seeing a therapist and trying to discuss such things in detail but she'll change the conversation sometimes, also I am talking to her about trying to get the okay for hormones, she wants a 6 month discussion on it first and I have had to put as much of my time into discussing gender with her when in some cases it would be good if I could discuss things such as this as well.
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The obsolete tadpole.
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Donna Elvira

Quote from: Tadpole on May 10, 2013, 12:43:29 AM
I am seeing a therapist and trying to discuss such things in detail but she'll change the conversation sometimes, also I am talking to her about trying to get the okay for hormones, she wants a 6 month discussion on it first and I have had to put as much of my time into discussing gender with her when in some cases it would be good if I could discuss things such as this as well.

Good to know you are seeing someone who can help you sort things out but I am just a little surprised that you don't seem to be the person who is setting the agenda for your discussions. If your biggest need right now is to creat space for yourself, that should be top of the discussion topics, no?
Take care.
Donna
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spacial

Quote from: Tadpole on May 09, 2013, 11:05:38 PM

Spacial, you understand what it's like to have a controlling family.
They will do anything in their power to make you live the life they want to, try to control who you are romantically involved with and sometimes even your friends, try to control what you put in your body, what you do to your body, and your finances, and how you spend your money, your politics, what businesses you deal with and where you live.


I started thinking the same, that they want me to live according to their ideals, rather than my own.

But that isn't the case at all.

The reality is, they don't respect you and if we did suddenly start to live according to their ideals we would still never be good enough, still never be free of the same treatment and attitudes.

How we live is irrelevant. They simply lack respect.

Lack of respect is caused by their refusal to see us as equals. Lack of respect, is failure to view the person in the appropriate social context.

The change must come from them. They must learn to respect us. They are at fault. They lack the humility and intelegence to re-think their own attitudes.

The respectful thing to do, for them and ourselves, is to walk away. Not with any passing shots. Not leaving any doors open. To just go.

Our staying, as long as we stay, we are lacking respect for them, because we are failing to accept that they cannot be changed.

If you think about it, there really isn't a great difference between any abuse. They are all borne of the same cause. A failure of the abuser to see their victim in the appropriate context.
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Tadpole

The therapist issue will work out.  I have talked to another person and decided the best to do is just approach it with patience and discuss what needs to be discussed. She has said it's my choice what I want to talk about so things'll work out even if it takes longer than I'd like.
My parents are a different story, I do get the impression that I've tried and tried with them and I don't measure up to their standards.  I pretty much hate my dad, my mom is a little different because she is okay with this side of me, and probably basically cares about me even though she can be overbearing.  Cutting them both out of my life regardless of the potential consequences might be what I have to do again if I want to have true control over my life.
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The obsolete tadpole.
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spacial

If you find yourself begining to develop negative feelings such as hate, then it certainly is.

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Felix

You might need to cut them out of your life, at least temporarily. Maybe after a few years away they'll be more respectful or even supportive. Even family who care about you can be unhealthy if they treat you badly.

I'm not necessarily the best one to give advice, but I've never had friends in new cities I've moved to, and my lot isn't generally any worse than in wherever I've moved from other than occasionally missing my friends. You should be able to get a job and find a place and figure out things to do etc anywhere, especially if you don't have kids or too many credit problems.
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