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Doctor or Psychiatrist . . .

Started by gina_taylor, November 07, 2005, 04:52:26 PM

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gina_taylor

I was just wondering which has more power?   ??? Recently I saw my GP and I found out that he can't prescribe certain medications, and he suggested that I go to my psychiatrist for them. The strange thing is, is that I had spoken to my neuropsychologist and he couldn't prescribe the medication either. So if I wanted to say start HRT and get a proper doseage of hormones would I be seeing my GP or my psychiatrist for the perscriptions?  ???

Gina
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stephanie_craxford

Hello Gina,

I'm not sure how your medical system works in the US, no doubt there are those here who would be better able to address your question.  However, here in Canada, persons in the medical field are only allowed to practice in those areas they are qualified.  Therefore it would be unethical for an MD or Pshrink to prescribe HRT if they weren't qualified and able to safely monitor and interpret the results and progress.  I would ask either one of them for a referral to an endo as this is their specialty.  That's what I did, and it's worked out great.  Put it this way, would you take your car to a sewing machine specialist for diagnostics and repairs.

Just my thoughts,

Chat later,

Steph
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Leigh

most GP's want a letter from a therapist before HRT is started.
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Cassandra

Unlike Canada our medical system is shop around. If you want the letter get another therapist. Simple as that. Question is are you ready for it? At least try and find a therapist that has some idea of what is needed, both for the doctor and most importantly you.

Cassie
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Leigh

Ask how many they have seen, how many started transition while in therapy, how many finished tranistioning and how many went on to surgery..

If there is one catagory with a zero might be cause to look further for better help.
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Thundra

Just some advice form someone that has had many different therapists -- from counselours to psychiatrists.

Get a certified counselour, and save the psychiatrist for later, when you need a letter.  In my experience, they are way too serious, and if your onus is on getting a referral for any meds., than avoid the doctor of psy. because they may sidetrack you indefinitely with other stuff.

Keep your eye on the prize. The therapist will always be there to help you deal with other stuff later, if you so desire.

Good luck.
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JenniferElizabeth

 Hi Gina,
   If you live in the US you need to see an Endocinoligist. for HRT. They are the one mostly dealing withHormones.
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Thundra

<<  If you live in the US you need to see an Endocinoligist. for HRT. They are the one mostly dealing withHormones. >>

While that may have been true at one time, and still holds some validity at some locations, it is not always so.  HRT for those transitioning has become a fairly ho-hum kinda deal, and some GP-s and internal medicine phyicians now routinely run labs and distribute prescriptions from their offices.

Best to find one of these if possible, since they can also act as your regular physician in non-HRT situations as well. And, you will not possibly then need a referral from a PCP if your insurance mandates that deal.

I dunno where you live, but you may wanna check with local support organizations in your vicinity for a referral to a physician that has treated someone in your situation, if that is possible.  If not, you can contact a physician referral service with the same questions, and if that is not possible, than make phone calls and ask questions of various offices.  You have that right to know if a prospective physician has any experience with your treatment plan?

Worse case scenario is that you end up training a newbie?  A pain in the a**, but beggars cannot be choosers.
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LostInTime

I have had two therapists, both specialised in GID.  One retired and it took me a few years to find another.

They gave me letters for hormones and a referrel to a local endoc who sees a lot of transsexuals.  The endoc did a basic blood workup plus an HIV test.  After the results came back, I had to have more done because of some levels.  However, once that was sorted out the endoc then wrote my prescription for hormones.  Over a period of time she has added to it based on how my body reacts (physical change and blood results).

This works great for me because the therapist will only put GID down on her receipt and so insurance will not cover that expense.  The endoc puts down a bunch of diagnostic codes and insurance has not blinked on that nor my prescriptions.  The insurance company has full access to my records, which include two documents that state my transsexuality so it is not like I am pulling the wool over someone's eyes.

I have run into GPs that will prescribe and even do the blood tests but I prefer to stick with the person I have because of her training and experience.  My regular GP agrees with that completely and discouraged me from using just her (the GP) for everything.

YMMV.
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gina_taylor

Thanks for your useful comments, but I had spoken  to my GP last Februrary and unfortunately he knew nothing about transsexualism, so he told me talk with my psychiatrist. A week later I spoke with my psychiatrist and he told me the same thing, that he didn't know enough about transsexualism. I had seen an Endo last year and she told me after she looked me over that she didn't want to see me again, even though she was treating one transsexual that had started HRT before she had went to the Endo.

I've just been diagnosed with a mental illness. Would a doctor perscribe hormones to a person with a mental illness?

Gina
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Terri-Gene

Mental illness?  depends on the specific diagnosis and to what extent it is best overall for the individual to be on HRT or not.  If one has been diagnosed as delusional, or has sexually related disorders,  or any kind of disorder not amounting to GID, probably not, but if GID is an overriding factor in a life, it must be treated in order to properly address the other problems.

Different forms of mental illness may not be treatable without addressing a GID problem first.  In fact, the presance of GID may trigger a lot of different emotional and conflict problems that can't be addressed at all without removing the root cause of them first.

The fact that a therapyst feels they have identified other problems different and aside from GID, does NOT make them a gatekeeper, it means they are doing thier job, even if you yourself do not agree with them,  After all, determining GID means they have to eliminate the possibility of other reasons for a desire to become female which HRT and Surgery may only make worse.  Personally, I wouldn't see any value in working with a therapyst who would perscribe HRT based on a single visit, there is simply to much involved to be that simplistic and there are to many reasons other then GID that explain why one would want to change thier sex.

Not into fine reading of SOC and DSM and haven't at all since ver 6, but I believe the standard presently is at least 3 sessions, but some individuals may need intensive psychotherapy in order to reach a diagnoses and could take much longer, it depends on the skill of the therapyst to draw out and interpet your true feelings and how they relate to your present mental condition, and keep in mind that if one does have GID, they may have a host of conditions that need to be explored to determine not only the eligibility, but the rediness for HRT.  Keep in mind that being eligible for HRT does NOT mean one is READY to take them due to other conditions (medical or psychiatric) or have the responsibility to use them properly as directed.

As to MD's perscribing HRT, in general, nothing stopping them other then ethics, they are not qualified to make the diagnosis of GID, so in general, will not do so unless there has been a psychiatric referal.  Consider too, that a doctor working for a health plan or in referral to one must follow the policy provisions of the provider, which may or may not cover such things even with a proper diagnosis.

Consider malpractice insurance, If an MD were to perscribe HRT to an individual without a psychiatric diagnosis, they could be sued if an individual who asked for the perscription changed thier minds after HRT had altered them to a point where they became impotent, steril, or had grown breasts that they no longer want.  Requireing a psych referral is simply protection.  It provides the necessary evaluations to justify the script.

There are no shortcuts Gina, in your own best interest you must find someone who will work with you long enough to identify your condition.  If you can't find one in your insurance, then you are simply going to have to find one you can work with at your own expense.  Just the way it is.  And you are going to have to let them explore the options with the time it takes to make it.  All the internet stuff can be dangerous if not properly handled and if you do have complications, then your insurance may have an option of calling it self inflicted and not pay for addressing them, putting you in real trouble.  As to the herbal stuff and other "solutions" you have been exploring, they are for the most part worthless despite the hype associated with them.

Terri
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gina_taylor

Thanks as always Terri for your good advice.

There is a lot of things involved with frontal lobe damage to the brain, but fortunatelly my neurospychologist does feel that my transsexualism is of my own making. But still with all the problems that I am facing with the results from  the psyche test I really felt very limited at what I can do. My brain is working as well as it should, and I'm not sure of what I can do. So maybe I was being alittle overdramatic when I said that I am a mental case. :(

Gina
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tinkerbell

In the US, only licensed medical doctors (MD's, DVM's OD's DDS)  can prescribe medication.  Psychiatrists are generally MD's and therefore can prescribe anything from anti-depressants to hormones.   My psychiatrist, for example, is also the physician who monitors my HRT, for she has extensive training in gender issues and cross gender hormone therapy......I know...great for me, huh?

tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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LynnER

First off I got my referal from my theripist.... took it to my familys doctor..... (No endos in this town will perscribe hrt to the trans comunity)  She in turn researched and took blood tests which she sent off to a third party endo....... and I got my perscription........  *shrugs*  there are many ways to go about doing things..... its just a matter of finding out whats right for your situationn.
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Julie Marie

For me it was pretty simple. I went to Chicago Gender Society's website, looked under "Therapists", picked one not too far from me and called for an appointment. Three months later I asked for the HRT letter. We discussed different doctors and she gave me her opinion of each one based on her other patients' experiences. I picked the one she and my TS friend felt was the best and made an appointment to see him. He's not an endo but he is one of the most highly regarded HRT doctors in the state. And he is very involved in the community.

Find a local support group, ask about therapists who are trained in TG issues. From there your therapist should be able to guide you to the best path for treatment.
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Melissa

For me, I just went to "the" local TS doctor.  She is TS herself and pretty much everyone in the area who is TS goes to her.

Melissa
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Sheila

I went to my psychologist then to a gender psych. and then to my doctor who is an internist. I then went back to both psych. and got my letter for surgery and after I guess 5 years I'm into total womanhood.
Sheila
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