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Any other trans-people who have had or about to have government funded surgery?

Started by Anatta, June 21, 2013, 12:31:20 AM

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Anatta

Kia Ora,

The cost of transitioning can run into the thousands, however I don't know many members(if any) who have had or are about to have government funded surgery... I know that in the US some insurers cover surgery..However in the UK and parts of Europe government funded surgery is also possible/available... 

I just thought it would be interesting to find out (in other words I'm just plain nosy)  ;) ;D

So have any of you had or planning to have government funded surgery (to become a GI Joe or Joanne ) ?

PS...I know that Canada also has government funding for reassignment surgeries...

Metta Zenda :)
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big kim

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Anatta

Quote from: big kim on June 21, 2013, 04:17:27 AM
I went with the NHS in England

Kia Ora Kim,

I have heard some horror stories regarding the NHS and their treatment of people suffering from gender dysphoria...However I'm sure there were good ones too...

Are you happy with the results ? And were you treated with 'respect' throughout the process ?

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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big kim

I'm happy with the results thanks,I was well treated apart from my first visit to a local psychiatrist where he laughed at me and threatened to have me sectioned.(This was 1989 not 1929!).I then had a 20 month wait to go to Charing Cross hospital.I self medicated(don't do this at home) and had electrolysis while growing my hair out and living in role at nights and weekends to see if it was for me.Once I had been to Charing Cross things went much quicker although I think I was pushed into going full time a bit early as I still had some electrolysis to finish but all went OK in the end
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calico

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Joanna Dark

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Tristan

Because my treatment in the psychiatric hospital was court mandated. They paid for alot of stuff that involved my care.  I guess it helped and was the right choice
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Flan

Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:13:53 PM
Well don't SF, Minnesota and Philadelphia cover surgery?
MN hasn't covered surgery for a while although there is possibility of getting it funded with a lawsuit to overturn the law.
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

Thanks for your responses so far...

So there are states in the US where the local government allocates funds for gender reassignment...It would be interesting to find out what the criteria is...Does anybody know ?

In Tristan's case it would seem it was mandated but how about if you want to apply yourself how does one go about it ?

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Tristan

Quote from: Kuan Yin on June 21, 2013, 03:05:51 PM
Kia Ora,

Thanks for your responses so far...

So there are states in the US where the local government allocates funds for gender reassignment...It would be interesting to find out what the criteria is...Does anybody know ?

In Tristan's case it would seem it was mandated but how about if you want to apply yourself how does one go about it ?

Metta Zenda :)
Oh wow apply? I'm not sure how you do that? I think I was a ward of the state or something like that I still don't understand that. But they covered alot of stuff and I wasn't the only one they covered it for. The ECT was a mandate though . But I guess if they admit you for long term like they did for me it's cheaper to do the surgeries than keep you a full 8 years or so in a long term psychiatric hospital
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Anatta

Quote from: Tristan on June 21, 2013, 03:30:43 PM
Oh wow apply? I'm not sure how you do that? I think I was a ward of the state or something like that I still don't understand that. But they covered alot of stuff and I wasn't the only one they covered it for. The ECT was a mandate though . But I guess if they admit you for long term like they did for me it's cheaper to do the surgeries than keep you a full 8 years or so in a long term psychiatric hospital

Kia Ora Tristan,

Here in New Zealand government funded surgeries are provided on compassionate grounds, ie, it will give the recipient a "better quality of life" ...and the criteria involves one being in a position where funding it themselves is out of the question, having no assets/savings - no realistic means of funding it themselves, plus there were/are psychological and practical assessments (ones ability to cope in one desired gender=RLE) hoops to jump through...

A mental and or medical professions had to apply to the Special High Cost Treatment Funding Pool..My endocrinologist applied on my behalf ...

http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/hospitals-and-specialist-care/high-cost-treatment-pool

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Tristan

That's pretty cool. Will they allow you to go back if you change your mind and want your old stuff
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Joanna Dark

In Philadelphia, GCS is covered for all city employees and tax credits are given to businesses who cover it on their policies. There is no process other then the regular one for getting surgery: therapy, counseling, etc., etc.
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Anatta

Quote from: Tristan on June 21, 2013, 05:14:45 PM
That's pretty cool. Will they allow you to go back if you change your mind and want your old stuff

Kia Ora Tristan,

The gatekeeping involved is quite stringent so as to try and weed out those who might possibly regret having it done...You're assessed by the surgeons (three surgeons are involved) and the mental health professionals that belong to the clinic (A psychiatrist and a clinical psychologist come social worker) along with outside assessments by an independent psychiatrist...Bearing in mind it is not fool proof some do still 'bluff' their way through...However one as every right to regret their decision and detransition, but I'm not sure whether the government will contribute(pick up the tab) for/ towards the surgical costs...

For obvious reasons there are quite a few knock backs...A good friend of mine had her surgery 6 months before me, was put through the gatekeeping wringer, she was in a steady relationship with a man, the psycho-surgical team's psychiatrist demanded to see both her and her partner...The psychiatrist wanted to find out if they were in a 'gay' relationship and the possibility of her partner leaving her once she had it done(and boy was my friend and her partner pissed off) to cut a long story short they have now been happily married(legally) for 8 years...

I had made it quite clear from the outset that I was asexual, in fact I told the assessment team(which is on their records) I was a neo asexual, that is, when I felt comfortable and came out, so did my asexual nature...Some trans-women felt a little peeved off because they had accepted me for surgery and I didn't even want to 'use' my new vagina...Fortunately the psycho-surgical team were up with the times and knew that it was not all about 'sex' activity...

"Different Strokes For Different Folks !" (I just love that saying...and the TV show) 

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Tristan

Quote from: Kuan Yin on June 21, 2013, 10:25:05 PM
Kia Ora Tristan,

The gatekeeping involved is quite stringent so as to try and weed out those who might possibly regret having it done...You're assessed by the surgeons (three surgeons are involved) and the mental health professionals that belong to the clinic (A psychiatrist and a clinical psychologist come social worker) along with outside assessments by an independent psychiatrist...Bearing in mind it is not fool proof some do still 'bluff' their way through...However one as every right to regret their decision and detransition, but I'm not sure whether the government will contribute(pick up the tab) for/ towards the surgical costs...

For obvious reasons there are quite a few knock backs...A good friend of mine had her surgery 6 months before me, was put through the gatekeeping wringer, she was in a steady relationship with a man, the psycho-surgical team's psychiatrist demanded to see both her and her partner...The psychiatrist wanted to find out if they were in a 'gay' relationship and the possibility of her partner leaving her once she had it done(and boy was my friend and her partner pissed off) to cut a long story short they have now been happily married(legally) for 8 years...

I had may it quite clear from the outset that I was asexual, in fact I told the assessment team(which is on their records) I was a neo asexual, that is, when I felt comfortable and came out, so did my asexual nature...Some trans-women felt a little peeved off because they had accepted me for surgery and I didn't even want to 'use' my new vagina...Fortunately the psycho-surgical team were up with the times and knew that it was not all about 'sex' activity...

"Different Strokes For Different Folks !" (I just love that saying...and the TV show) 

Metta Zenda :)
Wow. It sounds like they take things very serious in your area of the world. I guess the government just wants to make sure that they invest well. Still don't understand it very much but I'm glad they do try to help out
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Anatta

Quote from: Tristan on June 21, 2013, 10:47:12 PM
Wow. It sounds like they take things very serious in your area of the world. I guess the government just wants to make sure that they invest well. Still don't understand it very much but I'm glad they do try to help out

Kia Ora Tristan,

The surgeons here 'only' perform the colonvaginoplasy type of surgery, a technique developed by a UK surgeon for young natal girls who had deformed vaginas at birth...After a while it was pick up by some gender reassignment surgeons...

When I had my surgery the total cost was around $30,000 NZ (this was eight years ago) I think now it's in the region of $40,000 +...So yes the government wants to take all possible measures to insure their investment is a sound one..Plus they don't want negative feed back from the tax paying general public-which often can happen when the gate keepers gate is not secured 'off the latch' and the odd one slips through...

Shortly before I was selected( I was about to be assessed by the psycho-surgical team), a programme went to air about an elderly trans-women (in her 70s) who was knocked back because(if I remember rightly) she had other 'medical' complications and the surgeons feared she wouldn't survive such intrusive surgery (colonvaginaplasty is not a walk in the park kinda surgery-they are fiddling about with ones inners pulling, cutting and using the colon to line the new vagina  )...

Well this person was quite peeved off when she was knocked back and decided to go public-by doing so she was making things more difficult for other trans-women hoping to be selected...If the surgeons had operated on her and there were complications, it's possible she would have gone public causing even more strife...And the last thing the NZ trans-population need is for this funding to be cut due to public pressure...

Metta Zenda :)     
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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milktea

i'm not 100% sure but am under the impression that brunei pays for all its citizens medical bills, inclusing overseas ones if locally unavailable...for srs it'll be done at the patient's choice of surgeon anywhere in the world.
that's uber cool...
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Anatta

Quote from: milktea on June 22, 2013, 02:07:18 AM
i'm not 100% sure but am under the impression that brunei pays for all its citizens medical bills, inclusing overseas ones if locally unavailable...for srs it'll be done at the patient's choice of surgeon anywhere in the world.
that's uber cool...

Kia Ora Milktea,

In NZ beggars can't be choosers...But I'm not complaining  ;D

I've got a $30,000 piece of equipment down there, and it's never been used(well apart from dilation) so it's as good as new  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Eurydike

It is not "government funded". This sounds like a kind of grant. Or like trans people becoming GRS money over the counter for saying "Hi, my name is Trann". It is medical expenses paid by money from income taxes, which lost of tax payers pay for all those who have medical issues (including themselves).

When we get GRS expenses paid by health systems we are getting our share of the tax money like everyone else, and not a special treatment. Just the same like everyone else, with the exception of the thorough gatekeeping and the play "hey, get dressed and prove you're a woman for about a year".

I'm saying all this because GRS expenses covered by national health systems are among the first targets by politicians claiming to have the solution to expensive health systems, turning to all possible jingoes about just sex and how unnecessary or low priority GRS treatments are. In some European countries they have succeeded.

If they give you a titanium hip because it is cheaper than paying for you sitting the rest of your life on your couch or on a wheelchair, they can give you your hormones and your parts because it's cheaper than having you depressed, drugged, long-term psychologically treated, jobless, abused, beaten, raped and killed, all of which generate some expenses for the tax payers as well.

Same with fertility treatments. Same with pregnancy care. Same with psychiatric and psychological care for old and new DSM labels. Same with physiotherapy and substance abuse rehab care. Same with millions of prescriptions and pre-emptive diagnostic treatments that keep the medical machine running financially. They're not all urgent, immediate life-saving treatments (only in the long run), but above all but money-saving treatments.
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