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My Mother and Sister's Reaction.

Started by Ltl89, June 21, 2013, 07:50:54 PM

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Tristan

give your sisters time. they are just getting to know the real you
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Ltl89

I just don't know what to do anymore.  My mom wants me to stop hormones asap.  She wants me to stop seeing my therapist and start seeing a "straight male therapist" to talk me into sense, stop seeing my friends, stop posting on support sites, stop going to support groups, etc.  Essentially, she wants me to isolate myself from a support structure so I am all alone and don't have assistance with going through this.  I miss seeing my mom and being able to hug her.  Now I can't even tell her I love her without getting an anti trans rant.  I'm sitting here wishing just losing the will to live.  My mom means the world to me and I've destroyed her.  I wouldn't do this if I really had the choice.  But I can't go on like this.  Then again, I don't know if I can go on with transitioning either if everyone is going to hate and reject me.  I love my family so much and I'm killing them.  If I wasn't such a wimp, I would just end it all and let the pain just die.  I just want to be happy, but I want my family in my life.  I love them.  I don't want to die, but I don't really want to live either.  I'm at this limbo and don't know what to do.  I miss my relationship with my mom and family and want it back.  Now I'm just a freak that is causing everyone pain and sadness.  I really hate mysef. 
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JLT1

Please, do not hate yourself.  Your a warm, caring and kind hearted person.  My support group is here, and for now, that is enough.  We will always be here for you.  In time, your regular family will be there for you.  It's an adjustment, almost as big for them as it is for us.  But they love you and would miss you so much.  Hang in there..

I wish I knew what to say.  My heart is with you, as yours has been with others.

Jennifer
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Ltl89

Quote from: JLT1 on June 25, 2013, 08:12:01 PM
Please, do not hate yourself.  Your a warm, caring and kind hearted person.  My support group is here, and for now, that is enough.  We will always be here for you.  In time, your regular family will be there for you.  It's an adjustment, almost as big for them as it is for us.  But they love you and would miss you so much.  Hang in there..

I wish I knew what to say.  My heart is with you, as yours has been with others.

Jennifer

thank you I appreciate your kind words.  But I'm very lost right now.  It's been an ongoing disaster.  I just don't realy know anymore.  but I'll be okay.  tonight I will relax with some good white wine and just try to forget this whole day (and week for that matter) existed.
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Tristan

Well you could always lie to her and say you stopped hormones and just keep taking them and tell her your not seeing a therapist anymore your just going to the library
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BunnyBee

It is devastating when parents react this way.  The hardest thing is that to deal with it you must, in the face of a torrent of terrible pain being shot at your weakest places, be strong, firm, and unwavering.  If she ever feels like stopping is an option for you, you lose.

You can't let her derail you, cause once you go off the tracks... you don't come to rest in the land of rainbows and unicorns, I'll just say that. She doesn't know she is trying to send you to the darkest, most horrible place that exists in life, but she is.  Let me tell you though, I have been down in there, you don't want anything to do with it.  Don't let anybody send you there.

You have to be so strong right now, and so patient, and I don't know how to tell you to find that within yourself, but you must.   I know how hard it is, cause I basically had to grieve the loss of every one of my family members (most have now come around somewhat, after being AWFUL for a very long time) but you need to prepare yourself for the possibility of having to do that.

It's just, if they never stop being a reckoning force of negativity and harm, you just have to distance yourself from them.  You have to point yourself toward joy if you ever want to feel it, and that always means removing yourself from sucking, negative environs. Not that you should ever disown or hate anybody that you love, just get some distance from anybody that wants to hold your head under water for fear you might breath, cause like, they read a book and they think it told them breathing was, like, the most horrible thing in the world.

One thing that helps is talking about it and screaming about it if nec.  Make sure you do that whenever you feel like it.  That is why these forums exist.

You seem like such a sweet girl.  Don't deprive the world of yourself, whatever you do :).
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Ltl89

I know what you are saying, but everyone in my family is telling me that I'm in the wrong and being hurtful.   I feel like I can't win no matter what I do.    And as much as I want to live in the land of rainbows and unicorns, I don't believe it will exist with my family rejecting me.  I'm not being disowned, but they are making it tough.  I'm not seeing it getting better.  I won't do anything irrational by ending it all, but I really feel like doing so even though it's wrong.  I shouldn't have to drink here all night to escape from pain an d tears. 
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BunnyBee

I know that feeling all too well, but I just want you to realize you do not need a supportive family to have an amazing life.  Believe me.
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Ltl89

Forgive me, I am a pretty drunk at this point.  My mom was screaming at me about how I am a boy.  Handsome boy.  I will never be a gril and am delusional for feeling this way.  she was in tears and crying about losing her son.  She wants me to be a boy.  She said my therapist, friends, and this forum need to go .... themselves.  Everday she is getting worse.  And my sister isn't as supportive as she once was.  I don't even know if I can live here longer.  She is telling me she refuses to see the changes.  So I know may have to desperatly find a place.  I doubted she would kick me out, but she may be int he mood to teach me a lesson. Yay for homeless shelters.  I don't know how it will turn out.   And I just got two rejection letters tonight from job applications.  When it rains it pours, huh.
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mintra

I'm really sorry. I hope things get better for you soon. Please stay strong.
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Joanna Dark

Well everything Jen and kyh said. Plus, if your mom knew what would happen and how you would feel if you stopped, she wouldn't have asked. My mom tried to pay me stop lol well i really needed money for something that any other time I would have snapped up but I declined. It said a lot about how much this means. And we were fighting until recently for awhile. But now she started buying me the Olay lavender bodywash we shared again, she bought me a purple loofah cause i needed a new one, she says I love you back when I say I love you, she lent me money the other day until I get paid. So all in all it's getting better. I think your mom's reaction isn't abnormal if she had no idea which a lot of time parents don't. I think that can hurt them because they feel how could I not know. But she just needs time to digest it.

But like kyh said you have to be your own person and you deserve that. And like Jen said you need to keep moving forward regardless. I look at this way: how would you feel if you stopped? Not just that: how would you feel 10, 15 years from now. I know when I think of that it stops any thought of this is wrong or detransition in its tracks. Because even though it's hard when I think of my life in five years from now on HRT it seems beautiful, dreamy, alive, full of color. When I think of it with no HRT and no SRS (though I can prolly live without SRS just don't want to) I see nothing. It's grey, dead, lifeless. I feel nothing. Just what I felt before. I would hate to see you have to reach the stage that I and prolly many other 30 year old transitioners in our day age feel: death. And in five years you'll be 30. Turn 30 as a woman. I wish I did and I could've but I came this close to transitiioning and didn't. I was even a member of Susan's I think. Dang it.

You just have to stick it out. It will get better. Everyone is here for you. Maybe if your mom sees how normal trans women are she will feel better.

Post Script: Oh gawd that's horrible. Maybe you should take a step back from your family for now. This is what I did. I went as far as living with my BF for a week with barely telling my mom where I was. It seems to have worked. I also told how unwanted I felt. And it's not like she saw me as this super femme boy just a pretty femme boy who really likes March Madness and watches it with a passion.

I think if you gain some separation and let her digest the news without you two talking it would be better. She has to know she can't control you and that this has nothing to do with Susan's and the trans women who come here, or your therapist, or support groups, that we are a manifestation of you being trans we are not the cause of your trans-ness and if you no longer came here you would still be trans. You can no more stop being trans then you can force the sun to rise in the west and set in the north. It just it.
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Ltl89

My mom isn't opne minded about other succesful trans people.  To her they are the devil and she blames them for "brainwashing me", so that's a no go. I would distance myself, but I can't.  I live at home and don't have the money to move out.  No matter how hard I try, I can't get a job to help finance everything.  I'm stuck in perpetual unemployment and it sucks.  Another two rejection letters tonight.  SO I kind of have to live with them and take the trashing. And apparently I'm the bad person for causing all the pain. Yay!  Isn't life fun.

I hope my mom comes around like your's Joanna, but she made it clear that she won't.  I guess time will tell.  I tried hugging her on the couch just now, but she isn't really interested in having me around.
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Bookworm

True strength is hard to come by. I am no expert at finding it, but I know that giving up is not the way to go. I know what it is like to be stuck in a situation that sucks. I understand where you are coming from. I am right there now myself. I do know that finding peace with yourself is important. That is where my strength has come from lately. I have started to come to terms with things. My situation won't let me transition at all, but I can at least be comfortable knowing that I know what my gender is regardless of it I can't show it on the outside. Drinking does not solve problems. I have an alcoholic for a father. I know the ups and downs that it brings. Try not to let the alcohol be the only thing that keeps you going.
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Joanna Dark

How as your relationship before? And by distance I mean just not talking to them and trying to avoid them. I feel ya in the chronic unemployment tip as I am in a similar place. Sucks to be in Gen Y (or X) right? You just have to give her time. But during that time if she doesn't want to be around you, oblige her. She has to miss you. She has to realize this is real and that it is no one's fault. She has to realize this is who you are and it will never change. It will take time. But it shouldn't take forever. I know some people say well give them as much time as it took you to accept it but that is unfair because they don't have to be trans, just be decent. It isn't much to ask of someone to be decent. And just because you live with them doesn't mean they can trash you. Leave the room when that happens. Don't let them because this could wear on you.

I am curious, what are your plans? You are not considering stopping HRT are you? I feel weird asking but if you are you should maybe talk about it. I would hate to just see you vanish from susan's one day. It happens a lot. You'll see a member having problems with the fam and then poof! they're gone.
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Adabelle

I've found it sometimes good to confront and stick up for one's self. But I've found that more often than not it has worked in my favor to recognize the loss that others have felt in my transition and try and support them in their own transition after I came out to them. In my case I started looking for opportunities to connect with my siblings and parents as their sister and daughter. I looked for any opportunity to spend time with my mom as her daughter (helping clean up after meals, cook, grocery shopping etc - whatever my mom was doing at the time). I found one on one time with her and tried to be vulnerable with her (and the rest of my family).

I know it sounds counter intuitive, especially since the default response is to fight back. I did that too and made people cry - but it didn't get me very far.

I didn't ask to be transgender, I didn't even want to transition. What I wanted was just to always be a girl - but over years I came to acceptance of myself. So I understood when my mom freaked out when I came out to her - she didn't want me to be transgender nor transition either. I needed to show her the same compassion I showed myself. Being trans isn't easy for us, nor the people around us. Based on what you've said though I still have a lot of hope for your mom. I know of people who were in worse situations who over time found support and love in their family. I think you can too. *hugs*
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Ltl89

Quote from: Bookworm on June 25, 2013, 10:56:50 PM
True strength is hard to come by. I am no expert at finding it, but I know that giving up is not the way to go. I know what it is like to be stuck in a situation that sucks. I understand where you are coming from. I am right there now myself. I do know that finding peace with yourself is important. That is where my strength has come from lately. I have started to come to terms with things. My situation won't let me transition at all, but I can at least be comfortable knowing that I know what my gender is regardless of it I can't show it on the outside. Drinking does not solve problems. I have an alcoholic for a father. I know the ups and downs that it brings. Try not to let the alcohol be the only thing that keeps you going.

i know alcohol is know solution.  But it will do for tonight.  I'm in a really bad spot.  And if it will prevent me from hurting myself and make me feel better at the moment, so be it.  I'm not a drinker, so don't worry.

Quote from: Adabelle on June 25, 2013, 11:04:15 PM
I've found it sometimes good to confront and stick up for one's self. But I've found that more often than not it has worked in my favor to recognize the loss that others have felt in my transition and try and support them in their own transition after I came out to them. In my case I started looking for opportunities to connect with my siblings and parents as their sister and daughter. I looked for any opportunity to spend time with my mom as her daughter (helping clean up after meals, cook, grocery shopping etc - whatever my mom was doing at the time). I found one on one time with her and tried to be vulnerable with her (and the rest of my family).

I know it sounds counter intuitive, especially since the default response is to fight back. I did that too and made people cry - but it didn't get me very far.

I didn't ask to be transgender, I didn't even want to transition. What I wanted was just to always be a girl - but over years I came to acceptance of myself. So I understood when my mom freaked out when I came out to her - she didn't want me to be transgender nor transition either. I needed to show her the same compassion I showed myself. Being trans isn't easy for us, nor the people around us. Based on what you've said though I still have a lot of hope for your mom. I know of people who were in worse situations who over time found support and love in their family. I think you can too. *hugs*

I know what you mean.  I try to be understanding and compassionate.  But she isn' in the same place.  I feel like I'm being emptionally bullied.  No matter what I do, I'm wrong and evil for what I've done.  It's just too much.  There is no understanding on their end.  To them I'm a liar, a manipulator, who has been brainwashed into a cult.  And now I'm the source of pain for my family and it's my fault in their eyes. 

Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 25, 2013, 10:58:40 PM
How as your relationship before? And by distance I mean just not talking to them and trying to avoid them. I feel ya in the chronic unemployment tip as I am in a similar place. Sucks to be in Gen Y (or X) right? You just have to give her time. But during that time if she doesn't want to be around you, oblige her. She has to miss you. She has to realize this is real and that it is no one's fault. She has to realize this is who you are and it will never change. It will take time. But it shouldn't take forever. I know some people say well give them as much time as it took you to accept it but that is unfair because they don't have to be trans, just be decent. It isn't much to ask of someone to be decent. And just because you live with them doesn't mean they can trash you. Leave the room when that happens. Don't let them because this could wear on you.

I am curious, what are your plans? You are not considering stopping HRT are you? I feel weird asking but if you are you should maybe talk about it. I would hate to just see you vanish from susan's one day. It happens a lot. You'll see a member having problems with the fam and then poof! they're gone.

We are very close.  She's everything to me.  That's what makes it hard.  I love my mom so much and she loves me.  We are so close, so it makes it complicated.  I have no plans to stop.  This needs to be done.  But my mom is making it very difficult for me.  She is trying to stop me and making every really hard.  She's guilting myself into hating what I'm doing to the family.  but I'm not quitting, though I do feel like jumping off a bridge,lol   
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BunnyBee

It's good to have empathy and understand the feelings she must be experiencing, but you also need to take care of your own emotional well-being.  Don't let her bully you.  After you return to sober land, start working on a plan for how best to handle things not getting better, in case they don't.  Hang in there...
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Bookworm

As long as your are careful to not fall into the habit drinking is fine. I dont want to see somebody go down that road. I give you my best wishes.

-hugs-
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V M

My family was not and still isn't very supportive, my mom would love to interject at any given odd opportunity that:

"The queers are the downfall of America"

I have been disowned a few times over the past few years but then awhile later they'll randomly make contact

Though they are still not supportive, they have become a bit more pleasantly conversant and don't make derogatory remarks quite as often as before

I'm not sure what their motivation is but I just roll with it and go about my life
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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michelle

Not many people would choose to go through the emotional struggle you are going through with your mother.   I don't believe you would.   This is just one way many of us know we are transgender and it is not a choice.   No one could make us go through this.   No one could manipulate a non transgender person to go through this because it strikes at the very core of our being.  It took me 53 years to open my eyes to the fact that I wasn't really a male but really a female.    I didn't face your issues with my parents because they had past away.   But I have grown children who only knew my male side and now have to accept in the best way they can that I am a female.    They live on the other side of the country from where I do so this is basically an inner emotional struggle, but I do have a ten year old son who lives with me.

Being transgender is a struggle which doesn't really go away, and neither does the emotional struggle with our family.   Finding the inner strength to live our lives for whom we really are can be very difficult.   Your inability to accept your mother's demands that you are male and the fact that it is tearing you a part is a message to you that being a woman if an essential part of your inner being.   

You are not choosing to hurt your mother, nor is she choosing to hurt you.  She just sees you as her little boy, and is not willing yet to give that up.   If being transgender was a choice, you probably would not give up, being her little boy.   But emotionally you have come to realize that you are really a woman and have taken steps seeking out council to be that woman and may be finding that emotions are over coming your reasoning.

No one can tell you what to do,  but make your decisions one that are emotionally healthy for you.   If you could have lived the life your mother wants you to live, you would have.  There are many ways for a male to rebel against his parents, becoming a female, in mind, is the very last on the list, and the probability of becoming a female as an act of rebellion is .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 or less percent approaching a nanobyte of a percent probability.

Let yourself be who you really are.   Life has taught me that in the long run most people when push comes to shove make that decision for themselves or find that many of the people they thought they could depend upon make that decision and they could careless about how it affects you.   We can try to understand others and succeed or most of the time fail, we can accept others for whom they are.   We can love others and not like them.   We can like them but not love them.  But one thing we can never do without destroying ourselves and them is to try and control who others are.  Parental control only lasts legally for 18 years.   Before that control is a constant emotional struggle.   

After children are 18, we parents hope they will live good healthy lives, and stay out of jail, love life and be happy, and be able to support themselves as long as they live.  If my children appreciate me or like me or not its not an issue for me, if they have achieved these things then as a parent I have succeeded.

The emotional struggle with your mother is a part of life as a transgender woman you will have to struggle through.   You will find your true self if, you are true to who you really are and do not make a choice to make the other person happy.  You must be happy with your choice.   If you do what your mother wants to make her happy and it brings great emotional disasters into your life will only cause greater pain and unhappiness to your mother.

She may never quite accept you as a woman, but if she sees that being a woman brings happiness and joy into your life,  she will be happy because you are.   What ever you do, do the thing that brings, peace and joy to you, and this peace and joy will lighten up the lives of others.

Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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