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Fat (Somewhat of an emotional rant...)

Started by LocustToybox, June 24, 2013, 03:57:56 AM

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peky

Quote from: spacerace on June 24, 2013, 06:21:51 PM
Vegetarians can stuff their faces full of carbs and sugars just like the rest of us

This^^^ +1 LOL
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JessicaH

Quote from: chuck on June 28, 2013, 02:37:11 AM

absolutely true. as a few posts above me said "losing weight is maths'. if you read my post a bit more closely you will find that yes, what we eat affects how we feel etc etc. But the bottom line is that if you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. If you burn 2300 calories a day and only eat 1800, you will lose weight. It does not matter if you eat 1800 calories from chocolate, steak or broccoli. You will lose weight.

I am not talking about how foods will affect your energy or your health in general. I simply stating a proven fact. Burn more calories than you eat, you will lose weight. I dont really need to cite any sources, you can crack open an 8th grade science book and get the same info.



But here is something that might help. Note how the article says "Weight loss comes down to burning more calories that you take in"

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/MY00432
WHAT you eat affects hormones like insulin that will store food as fat rather than produce energy. The medical community has been almost as ignorant in fighting obesity as it has in working with trans people.  The American Heart Association still recommends a low fat diet which is the worst diet of them all, especially for your heart. Most "medical professionals" and fitness experts still recommend eating many small meals throughout the day, but that is a recipe for obesity and health problems. The sad thing is, their info didn't come from science but was repeated so many times it became a fact ( like needing 8 glasses of water a day).

Two meals spaced 8 hours or less a day would be optimum for health and weightless since it will fill your belly and tell your brain that you are eating enough and having 16 hours a day for your body to burn out excess sugars keeping your body receptive to insulin , etc.   low blood sugars along with propper sleep encourage your body to produce more human growth Hormone (hgh) which is VERY helpfull to those of us in transition. Young people have much higher levels of hgh and its one of the reasons that younger transitioned get better results.

But hey, I don't need to convince anyone on any of this.
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Jack_M

You keep trying to argue the 2 meals a day logic and the science honestly isn't there.  It isn't possible to be as active without eating more throughout the day.  If you don't want to be so active then eating twice a day would be fine but wouldn't result in an as healthy individual so it's weighing up the pros and cons.  The evidence and science is more there for eating more regularly with regards to metabolism and the obvious results from fitness programs and healthy diets eating around 5 times a day.  I've lost 20lbs with 5 meals a day and exercise since January and yet I used to eat, guess what?  Twice a day!  So I can't say that diet did anything for me whatsoever, and I wasn't a junk food addict either.  The science for 2 meals a day are based on inactive individuals and results concentrate on BMI, which is a bad indicator of "health".
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spacerace

The right type of diet is the one that the dieter will actually consistently follow through with.

Dieting is effort month after month.

Results happen when you try.  Different things work for different people.  Most of the time, people who can't lose weight with one method aren't giving it enough of a chance to even know if that method is right for them. 

Count  calories, find problem areas, tailor and trim your diet using calorie counting AND other tricks such as limiting your carbs to under 150 per day or whatever you want.  Maybe 2 meals works for someone, maybe it is 5.  Whatever it takes to keep the numbers balanced.


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chuck

Quote from: JessicaH on July 02, 2013, 10:42:53 PM
WHAT you eat affects hormones like insulin that will store food as fat rather than produce energy.The medical community has been almost as ignorant in fighting obesity as it has in working with trans people.  The American Heart Association still recommends a low fat diet which is the worst diet of them all, especially for your heart. Most "medical professionals" and fitness experts still recommend eating many small meals throughout the day, but that is a recipe for obesity and health problems. The sad thing is, their info didn't come from science but was repeated so many times it became a fact ( like needing 8 glasses of water a day).

Two meals spaced 8 hours or less a day would be optimum for health and weightless since it will fill your belly and tell your brain that you are eating enough and having 16 hours a day for your body to burn out excess sugars keeping your body receptive to insulin , etc.   low blood sugars along with propper sleep encourage your body to produce more human growth Hormone (hgh) which is VERY helpfull to those of us in transition. Young people have much higher levels of hgh and its one of the reasons that younger transitioned get better results.

But hey, I don't need to convince anyone on any of this.

Two meals a day will work just as well 15 meals as long as they are composed of less calories than you burn. Also, if the medical community is ignorant about weightloss why would you ask me to cite a source? Anyhow, I think we will just agree to disagree. 
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JessicaH

Quote from: Jack_M on July 03, 2013, 05:12:48 AM
You keep trying to argue the 2 meals a day logic and the science honestly isn't there.  It isn't possible to be as active without eating more throughout the day.  If you don't want to be so active then eating twice a day would be fine but wouldn't result in an as healthy individual so it's weighing up the pros and cons.  The evidence and science is more there for eating more regularly with regards to metabolism and the obvious results from fitness programs and healthy diets eating around 5 times a day.  I've lost 20lbs with 5 meals a day and exercise since January and yet I used to eat, guess what?  Twice a day!  So I can't say that diet did anything for me whatsoever, and I wasn't a junk food addict either.  The science for 2 meals a day are based on inactive individuals and results concentrate on BMI, which is a bad indicator of "health".

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-23/two-large-meals-a-day-tops-six-mini-meals-for-weight-loss.html.       I will stay out of this thread since everyone is happy with old info. Have fun.
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Jack_M

I have read that already and as a man of science, it's frankly a mess and doesn't really prove or disprove anything. Anything that qualifies health in terms of BMI is an instant give away as to its lack of usefulness. Whereas comparing a similar study with folks who eat 5 times a day and exercise, and including more relevant indicators like body fat would be a far better study.

Right now I stick with what works. 2 meals + exercise + testosterone = forget about it! It's not going to work and if your body doesn't have enough fuel you struggle to do your actual best with exercise. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturday's I do an at home work out and Taekwon-do. I couldn't coordinate having enough fuel to handle that + work. But spacing out meals to stay constantly fueled does work.  I've done the 2 meals a day while cycling to and from work and I got fat. I eat 5 times a day now and workout and I've lost 20lbs. Maybe that study worked with those individuals based purely on BMI but we've already established how BMI is bogus anyway.

If one wants to be thin and healthy, one needs to care just as much about exercise as they do about food. In order to get the best out of exercise, small regular meals works best. It means you eat, wait an hour, exercise, then eat an hour or less after. And the results when people do that are always the preferable and more ultimately healthy results. When they release a study where non exercising individuals eat 2 meals a day and get better or similar results than exercising indivuals get on small meals throughout the day, maybe I'll care, but any report that uses BMI as an indicator and doesn't focus on exercise being as equally important as food is an instant red flag for me.
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Soren

Try eating foods with a low glycemic index. Starving yourself and then binging causes blood sugar spikes and increases insulin resistance. If you keep your blood sugar pretty much constant throughout the day, you'll burn fat better.
Also, you can make an ice cream substitute if you have a blender. I find it's a lot easier to lose weight if you think you're eating junk.
I use:
1 frozen banana
17-20 frozen strawberries
1.5-2 cups unsweetened almond milk
Just blend them together on the setting you use to crush ice. It takes a little while and you have to stir it a bit, but it makes about two bowls. If you add nuts, it'll keep you fuller longer too.
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