how do ftm feel about mtf?

[Keaira]

Nevermind, you've now made things very unsexy for me Keaira. >.<

^_^ just doing a public service.

[Soren]

When I first saw this thread, my immediate reaction was, "Why would anyone want a female body?" Then .5 seconds later, I smacked my face at my own stupidity, because they're women. Of course they'd want a female body.
I swear, in my stupid moments, there is nothing on the planet that can match me.

[Cindy]

There as ever some really interesting points in this thread. One of the reasons I love this site is when people do talk we can learn heaps.

I was wondering among the respondents of how many people mix (knowingly) with other trans* or intersex people? Sorry I know you do here, but in personal social life?

One reason I ask is a comment I got from a straight woman who is in the position of having to respect and deal with me. Well she need not respect me but she has to be able to work with me .........

We were talking and she was, I think, trying to demonstrate how accepting she was of other people.

Her: "Oh, I like Gay people, my hairdresser is Gay and I've known him for years"

Me: " I like Gay people as well, I have several Gay friends, several Lesbian friends, a heap of trans*female friends and quite a few trans*male friends. I know a few inter-sexed people who I'm close to as well.

I'm straight. I like guys, and preferably well-hung."

I was taking advantage because I was angry, but I also thought it an interesting comment from her. She accepted Trans*people because she had a Gay hairdresser.

I think it fits in this thread for comment.

Cindy

[Shantel]

I was taking advantage because I was angry, but I also thought it an interesting comment from her. She accepted Trans*people because she had a Gay hairdresser.

I think it fits in this thread for comment.

Cindy

Her comment is typically what you'd get from the straight heterosexual community here which is significantly disinterested in knowing or even hearing about people with either gender issues or sexual preferences. They "would prefer that they not even exist, and would at least show the decency to stay in the closet." That is a quote from a recent conversation I overheard.

I used to associate with other transgender folks, but have withdrawn and lost contact with many as it doesn't fit well with my family situation at this time and many have moved on with their lives post-op.

[aleon515]

Cindy, I never really intended it, but most of my socializing is with trans people. It's not really that I tried for it to be, but I started going to support groups. There are two that I go to. I met a trans gal, and now we are dating. I hang out with some of the guys. I didn't try for this to happen but it did. The trans center has a lot of activities. I don't regret this as I never plan to be stealth. BTW, I think I consider my orientation to be "queer", though a lot of people my age wouldn't use that word, since it has had very bad connotations. But I was not active in the gay community before.

--Jay

[Sammy]

When I first saw this thread, my immediate reaction was, "Why would anyone want a female body?" Then .5 seconds later, I smacked my face at my own stupidity, because they're women. Of course they'd want a female body.
I swear, in my stupid moments, there is nothing on the planet that can match me.

You know, I had exactly the same reaction when I first looked into FTM board - like "Oh oh... I am in unfamiliar territory now... Truly, why would somebody in a sane mind want to be a male???" - but it dawned on me that it is the same thing, except with an opposite polarity .

[aleon515]

You know, I had exactly the same reaction when I first looked into FTM board - like "Oh oh... I am in unfamiliar territory now... Truly, why would somebody in a sane mind want to be a male???" - but it dawned on me that it is the same thing, except with an opposite polarity .

Yeah that's right. I don't feel completely binary, but it's the same idea. I go to a mixed group. The things we talk about are pretty much the same--problems with jobs, family, trouble getting medical care, uncertainty, etc. Now there are MTF and FTM groups where there are often subjects that wouldn't be discussed in the other (don't know from personal experience re: the MTF, of course).

--Jay

[randomroads]

For me it's less 'why would they want to be female?' and more 'why would they want to act like spoiled little snots that need some sense slapped into them?' Then I remind myself that all the females that act like that are immature either age-wise or emotionally/mentally.

I've often thought the same of men. It's not really gender specific.

[Crow]

I think of MTF ladies as just regular people, albeit with the added bonus of having a high likelihood of understanding where I'm coming from as a fellow trans* person. Other people's trans* status has little to do with my opinion of them as a person, though it is certainly comforting to have other trans* people in my life. I have a few  close friends and a number of acquaintances who are one flavor or another of trans*, and although none of them are my friends are in my life BECAUSE they're trans*, I do appreciate the conversations I can have with them about transition-stuff that isn't always easy to explain to even the most understanding cis friends.

[xchristine]

For me it's less 'why would they want to be female?' and more 'why would they want to act like spoiled little snots that need some sense slapped into them?' Then I remind myself that all the females that act like that are immature either age-wise or emotionally/mentally.

I've often thought the same of men. It's not really gender specific.

Hahah I am LOLing hard!!!

In my experince. Well all of it..men don't assume I will make sense
About anything.  Not clothes...relationship needs wants
And generally consider me to be kind of like that

Maybe we don't have to be grown up coz well..
Men are quick to take care of a vulnerable pretty girl

[randomroads]

Adults who can't care for themselves are often taken advantage of and that's not gender specific, either. If you want to be taken care of, I completely understand. It's rather nice. If you rely on being pretty and helpless, chances are you'll end up another divorce statistic.

[TheLance]

I also see mtf ladies just as I see any other woman. Except for the fact that mtf women have a beauty and strength that goes beyond anything physical. I admire transwomen in a different way than cis women. But other than that, we're all just people.

[Emmaline]

Awww Lance, thats lovely!

So what I am getting from this thread  is that the majority of you guys feel mtfs are just like cis girls but with deeper understanding of your own struggles.  Any resentment for giving up the male physical characteristics is quickly overcome when you realise the root cause is the same pain you feel.  I can easily understand why mtf and ftm couples form... the deeper acceptance and understanding is a beautiful basis for a relationship.

Anyone feel strongly outside that summary, and if so the reasons?  No judgement if you do, but a great discussion point.

[kaiju]

Trans women are women, they're people just like anyone else with differing personalities and desires. I don't understand resenting another person for transitioning just because they have the body you feel yours needs to be, you know? It's not like any of us chose to be born the way we are, and I don't think I could ever envy or be critical of a trans woman for doing what she needs to do. She has the right to take care of herself, just as I have the right to care for myself.

[Shantel]

Trans women are women, they're people just like anyone else with differing personalities and desires. I don't understand resenting another person for transitioning just because they have the body you feel yours needs to be, you know? It's not like any of us chose to be born the way we are, and I don't think I could ever envy or be critical of a trans woman for doing what she needs to do. She has the right to take care of herself, just as I have the right to care for myself.

I agree with that assessment 100%. Very thoughtful and well spoken!

[aleon515]

Trans women are women, they're people just like anyone else with differing personalities and desires. I don't understand resenting another person for transitioning just because they have the body you feel yours needs to be, you know? It's not like any of us chose to be born the way we are, and I don't think I could ever envy or be critical of a trans woman for doing what she needs to do. She has the right to take care of herself, just as I have the right to care for myself.

Yeah I don't care for trash talk about the other gender in the forum, tbh. I agree with the above 100%. I don't get about being female because, duh, I am not a woman. I'd guess the gals here feel the same about being a guy.

--Jay

[Keaira]

So, its official. Everyone loves me. ^_^

[Cindy]

So, its official. Everyone loves me. ^_^

Yes of course we do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hugs
C

[Jamiep]

With the few friends of mine that are in transition I only have one that is ftm. We have a lot of shared interests & get along great, respect what he went through, he exercises & has really bulked up. I am richer for having him in my life. Ornismon said things precisely, I can't improve on this. We are humans, so love each other.

Jamie

[aleon515]

So, its official. Everyone loves me. ^_^

Why wouldn't we. 

--Jay