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Can you clear this up for me?

Started by Fanni, July 16, 2013, 07:42:09 AM

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Fanni

Kay, hello everyone. I'm an MTF transsexual and I plan to start voice lessons and HRT soon. Inside, I was always a girl who has to act like a boy, and it irks me. People think I'm gay when I'm actually doing more boyish things than girlg things. Sometimes, when I act like a boy, I fall in love with myself, I'd pretend to be the man of my dreams, and pretend like there are two people inside my born-male body. I'd look at my penis, abs or wearing a bra while shaking my butt, and be comfortable either way. I recently took the COGIATI test and realized that many things were true. I know I am female but I enjoy being male. I was an "androgyne". To be honest I dont want to live a double life. I want to marry a guy..

So am I really an androgyne? A transwoman? Or is an androgyne a type of transsexual?

Look, I do not have a sugar daddy, everything I have I worked hard for if I wanted a sugar daddy, I could probably get one because I am what? Sickening you could never have a sugar daddy because you are.not.that.type. of girl  I built myself from the ground up
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Devlyn

Hi Fanni, I can clear it up a little, the first post in this thread quotes the inventor of that test. https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,140235.0.html

Hugs, Devlyn
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Fanni

Seems like other people had the same problem. And yeah.. To think about it, that test could be easily manipulated.

But still.. Based on my situation, certain that I'm a girl, enjoying and slightly infatuated with being a male, what would you classify me as?

Look, I do not have a sugar daddy, everything I have I worked hard for if I wanted a sugar daddy, I could probably get one because I am what? Sickening you could never have a sugar daddy because you are.not.that.type. of girl  I built myself from the ground up
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CalmRage

Quote from: Fanni on July 16, 2013, 07:57:07 AM
Seems like other people had the same problem. And yeah.. To think about it, that test could be easily manipulated.

But still.. Based on my situation, certain that I'm a girl, enjoying and slightly infatuated with being a male, what would you classify me as?
A girl with an unusual infatuation maybe. We all have our quirks, don't overthink it and if this really bothers you, talk to your therapist about it.
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suzifrommd

You asked, I'll give my opinion.

IMO, the Cogiati is no more useful than those questionnaires found in women's magazines ("Are you a flirt? Take our 10-question quiz and find out!!!")

It told me I'm androgyne as well. I now know for a fact that I'm MtF transgender. Luckily it didn't confuse me for long.

Its methods rely on the unscientific and inaccurate assumption that in addition to a feminine identity, MtFs also have feminine characteristics.

In my case I realized the female parts of my identity were there at the core, whereas the male parts had been grafted on based on living with a male body for 50 years.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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ativan

Just like it has been mentioned that the test is no better than a woman's magazine test test of 'are you*', it does serve a purpose.
If you had no doubts about your gender, you probably wouldn't have seriously taken the test. It's an Affirmation of sorts.
If you took the test just for the fun of it, somebodey showed it to you, etc., you probably would have your eyes wide open from the results.
It's accuracy has no confirmation whatssoever, but it is a good indicator that we all share gender traits to one degree or another.
You get what you want to get out of it. But angain, more importantly it confirms what you already knew.
That's important. You won't find a friend doctor or even very many therapist who could do it the same way.
If Everyone took the test, the entire population, and chewed up and spit out the results, I think people would find that they aren't so different from one another.
What it does allow each of us to do, is to have a small confirmation of who we feel we are. That's invaluable in itself.
It may just open the eyes to others as to how close we all are, gender wise.
There is only one true male and one true female. The rest of the world falls somewhere in between.
It's up to each individual to decide where and how they define themselves after that.
Your score is fairly meaningless if you go into the test with preconceived ideas of who you may be.
With out those preconceptions, it would at best give you a good understanding of everyone is somewhat a part of either of the binaries.
Truth be told, with out drawing your own line somewhere, most everyone are non-binary or has some of each of the binary genders in them.
There isn't a true binary among us. But there is by each of our own definitions that are held together in common belief by society.
Sorry I just rushed through all that, if it sounds like it, it is.
On the run
Ativan
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brainiac

If you totally identify as a woman, chances are you aren't an androgyne. :) That's not 100% foolproof, of course, but one of the main reasons someone identifies as an androgyne is that neither "woman" nor "man" really feel like they fit. If you feel like sometimes you're a man and sometimes you're a woman, you could be bigender, which is another type of non-binary identity. Do you feel like this male self is really a part of you, or could it be something that helps you separate your inner, female self from the body you currently have?

Also, not every trans (or even specifically transsexual) person experiences dysphoria in the same way. It sounds like sometimes you feel okay with your "male" parts. That doesn't necessarily mean that you aren't transsexual, especially if you generally feel that a female body would match your sense of self better.
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Lo

It might be helpful to really sit down and do some thinking to find out if you have any internalized misogyny going on too. It seems to me that a lot of young women looking to be boyish and reject stereotypical femininity might just be rebelling against gender roles. I was a big misogynist in high school and wondered if I was bigender or a gay trans man. I discovered feminism and realized that what I'd been doing was revolting against society's notions of who I was supposed to be and taking it out on women and myself instead. Long story short, I realized that I had no gender, had no gender role to aspire to, and had no gender compass and everything I thought I knew about gender was all bunk.

Anyways, there are lots of identities under the nonbinary umbrella, too. You might be a cis crossdresser, you might be genderfluid, you might be non-op something else entirely. It's up to you to decide, but do understand that it's totally okay to ID as female without wanting anything to do with what a woman is supposed to be. Your gender is entirely what you make it~
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