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It wasn't name calling I should have been worried about

Started by Misato, July 21, 2013, 10:40:17 PM

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Misato

What happened to me?

Back in February my therapist was all, "You're doing great!"  And I felt great.  Frustrated at work, but, it's work.  Now...

I don't think my take on the Real Life Experience taught me much for the long haul.  For the short, yeah, I did learn I could function being seen as a trans woman in my day to day life.  That was still very useful knowledge.  And as rough as things are now, had I not transitioned, as I've mentioned elsewhere I'm pretty sure I'd be in a bottle, angry and likely unemployed due to the prior two items.

What bugs me almost as much as the intentional misgenderings I get are all the stares.  Today, I was driving home and my cat had an accident in the car (#2) so I had to stop at a pet store in the Northwoods to get a new carrier.  As I'm moving through the aisles there's this girl just staring at me.  I turn a corner, she turns the corner and resumes staring.  More stares another time while going out for coffee with a friend.  While giving speeches at work, through the glass into the office work area I can see more stares coming at me from my co-workers.  The building our speech club meets in is like the mean girls building for me.  Stares in the TSA line at the airport by the public (TSA was cool).  Stares while shopping for new clothes.

Argh!

If it wasn't for the misgenderings I could tell myself, "Maybe they think I'm attractive."  But because of the misgenderings... I can't even fool myself.  This is my life.  This is what I've gotten myself into.  I don't get told I'm going to Hell or called names, at least lately.  But these stares....

Maybe I got too used to being invisible.  As a guy I was a nobody, a person of great non-interest.  That was my life for 34 years.  Now, I'm a "What the heck is that?!?" or at least that's how I'm made to feel.  I carry myself with confidence. Walk straighter and taller than I did as a guy and everything.  I own the fact I'm a 5'10" (6' in heels) blond woman.  Still, I must also admit I'm so worn out over the insurance nightmare my work dumped on me without warning that I'm lacking the strength to deal with all this as well as I'd like.

I'm in a long distance relationship.  I get stared at everywhere I go thanks to transition.  I have a job where the work is wonderful but the policies are so discriminatory and expensive for me to deal with I have to leave.  This is getting so old!  It's like every wish I had has been perverted and twisted so I have what I want but in a way I so don't want it.

I don't know all what I've done.  I don't want to detransition.  I think about it but then I pop my Spiro and E like nothing is wrong. I love my new soft skin.  Love my growing boobs.  Love expressing myself naturally.  Love indulging in the feminine.  Love being out going.  Love being able to cry.  Adore my eyes and how much better they pick up color.  Still, I have rough spots in all the big areas of my life.  I really need one of them to give me a good bounce and stabilize for the better.
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Whether or not it is deluding myself, but when they stare I just think they think they are looking at a model.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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justpat

    You are an intelligent beautiful woman and the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train its your new wonderful life.Keep moving forward you WILL reach your goal. I think you looked awesome in your white skirt btw.
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Joanna Dark

Do people really stare that much. That is so horrible. Especially from your co-workers. Maybe if you feel like you aren't passing well enough, you could get save up for FFS and move away. I know I myself plan on going completely stealth by 2016. That's what gets me by on the bad days: the knowledge that in due time I will no longer be trans, I will be a woman. It brings me such sweet joy and it is prolly the best feeling I have ever felt and certainly the happiest I have been about my future.

Still, I can't believe people stare that much. I actually think it is my mannerisms that help me pass more then my face. But I got sir'd the other day, I was presenting male so I guess that is expected, and then I looked at him and he apologized and called me ma'am. But still I think when I started passing it was my mannerisms more then anything else. That is what my BF (for now) says: that he wasn't sure at first but when he saw How I moved he thought I had to be a woman. I think mannerisms are underrated. At work, you really can't do much about it. Maybe you should play it down for now. You present pretty femme. Maybe a more andro presentation just to get past this rough patch. I prolly advocate androgynous style to much. Sorry. I just think it's hawt.
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Emily Aster

Quote from: Joanna Dark on July 21, 2013, 11:18:59 PM
Still, I can't believe people stare that much.

I can believe it, but not with her. It happens to me now because I look pretty androgynous, only wear androgynous clothing, and have the moobs thing going, which kinda makes people think oh that's a woman. Then I open my mouth and out bellows a really deep voice and they get a stunned look on their face.
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Madison Leigh

#5
That used to bother me a lot - but anymore not hardly at all.  My take is that some people are always going to stare regardless of how good I look or how good my mannerisms are.  I can't change it, so I for all intents and purposes don't care any longer.  I'm not the first person to transition, I won't be the last, and if somebody finds that so utterly fascinating that they need to stare - well then good for them.  I've more important things to worry about such as not dropping any food on my blouse, finding that perfect outfit, or interacting with any companions I may be out with (the people that I *do* care what they think). 

Don't get me wrong, I wish I blended in so well that nobody gave me a second glance - unless of course it was as Ms. OBrien said - that they thought I was a model. :)  But since that likely will never be the case, I go with what's above. :)


*Ms. OBrien - my apologies for the typo in my original post. 
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Beth Andrea

Most of the stares I get are at my chest....but those who look at my face for more than 1/2 second or so get my standard "Hi!" (in as close to a non-male tone as I can currently manage) and a smile, with a twinkle in my eyes.

I try to put them at ease...if it doesn't, OH WELL it's on them, not me.

^-^
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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StellaB

The way I see it this comes down to empathy and responsibility more than anything else. This is a hard fact or simple truth that I feel anyone who is transitioning or out as trans needs to accept and embrace.

It doesn't matter who you are, what size you are, where you are, or how you present yourself, you're going to come across other people in society who just don't have enough empathy or a sense of social responsibility.

This is so not your problem.

This is not about passing. If you think it is let me get you a juice, sing you a lullaby and snuggle you up in your blanket of social privilege and illusions of social problems caused by the victims. Passing means conforming to whatever social standards are there influenced by cultural beliefs and buying into the same beliefs of social privilege.

I'm sorry but neither cisgendered men nor women are overly concerned by how well they pass to others, they just are. I don't see why it has to be any different just because someone is trans. 

This is a social issue. It's evidence of just how much distance is left for society as a whole to go to embrace diversity.

It's hard when so many people willingly buy into all the profiling and stereotyping that goes on with the social programming and oppression from so many authority figures (government, religion and media). But the fact remains the same that nobody can get control of your mind and thinking unless you allow them to.

The stares, just like the pointing, the comments, the backhanded compliments and so on is just as much part of our reality as it is for people of a different ethnic background or skin colour, for the disabled, for the gays, and for anyone who is different and has the audacity (read courage) to stand out from the crowd just for being themselves. 

Yes it's draining to constantly have to deal with it, to allow for it, and at times it can be upsetting and depressing. It can also be discouraging if you want to see it that way.

I don't. Nobody gets to control my mind but me. If people can cling to their illusions, assumptions and half-baked notions of who I am based on my appearance or lifestyle, then be sure I can do the same thing to them.

It's taken me some time and a fair amount of practice but I'm not bothered by the stares, the comments, the s->-bleeped-<-s, the pointing, and the prejudice.

In fact I'm cool with it, because it validates me just as much as the people who go out of their way to show their support. It's what makes me stronger and even more determined to continue being out as trans, to continue transitioning, and to continue living my life on my terms and not on terms imposed on me by the rest of society.

You see I'm out and transitioning for me, for my own personal reasons, so that I can function adequately out there in the real world and in society as the person I truly am. I didn't sign any agreement with anyone to be eye candy for other people. I didn't sign any agreement or agree to conform to any standard of femininity and no different from any woman out there I'm female by my own definition.

This is how it is. You either take it or leave it, I'm not bothered. I'm sorry if my being trans makes you feel uncomfortable or upsets you, but it's really not my problem and not my responsibility.

My suggestion is not to let it get to you, not to let it diminish you, or affect the quality of your life because if you do you're taking on the responsibility that in my opinion rests quite firmly on their shoulders, not your's.
"The truth within me is more than the reality which surrounds me."
Constantin Stanislavski

Mistakes not only provide opportunities for learning but also make good stories.
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Cindy

If I may can I put a different perspective on this.

I know and I totally appreciate that I'm not always regarded as the 'normal' trans*woman. But I still live my life and I still interact all the time with people.

I decided I would enjoy being looked at and stared at. I decided that I am happy being a focal point. After all every movie star, rock star whatever s are ALWAYS being stared at.

I wear it with pride and I use it to feed my (as you all know) over inflated ego.

I have nothing to hide, be ashamed of or to be excuse for. If people want to stare at me: Sisters let them drool!

I realised very early in transition that stealth was impossible for me, I realised my voice was essentially unchangeable and male sounding, my work circumstance was also totally impossible for me to be stealth.

So I made the conscious decision not to get upset. I decided I would feed off those stares to be even more confident.

Somehow it has worked for me.

I think Pink said it very well:

"I'm still a rock star
I got my rock moves
And I don't need you"


Cindy
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suzifrommd

Hugs, Misato. I know EXACTLY what your going through. I get stared at all the time.

My self talk helps:

* The number of people that stare at me is still dwarfed by the number of people that clearly don't notice. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say I'm more than 90% passable. Seen that way, it feels good.

* People stare at women. I'm unusual for a lot of reasons. I'm taller than most women. Nothing I can do. I'm wearing a wig. Nothing I can do about that either. I'm dressed in such a way to cover up my neck and chest. Unusual, but necessary. People are going to notice me. Nothing I can do.

* Some of them are clocking me. Everytime I get clocked, I am showing the world what transgender really looks like - intelligent, competent, and proud. That makes it just a little bit easier for the next girl trying to transform her male body.

* I'm a celebrity of sorts, someone worthy of attention. I don't have to be satisfied with blending in with the crowd.

What have you done to yourself? Misato, it's called life. Life was meant to be an adventure, a roller coaster ride. If it isn't, you haven't really lived. Used to be a commercial for the armed forces "If your life were a book, would anyone want to read it?" Everyone who stares at you wants to read your book. Because for 9 out of 10 of them, their life is way less exciting than yours.

I really hope this helps. Good luck.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Misato

Quote from: StellaB on July 22, 2013, 01:58:34 AM
This is how it is. You either take it or leave it, I'm not bothered. I'm sorry if my being trans makes you feel uncomfortable or upsets you, but it's really not my problem and not my responsibility.

Then you needent have replied to my post.

I get your points Suzi.  I try to be an ambassador, fully cognizant that I may be the only visible trans person many of my gawkers ever meet.  The celebrity line too, I think somewhere here I have a post saying, "wanna know what it's like to be a celebrity?  Be trans!"

It's the sum of everything that's got me down.  The lack of support at my job how their policies make this whole thing harder and more expensive than it needs to be.  My SO being several hundred miles away.  Sick cat for over a year. The intentional misgenderings.  I need a good bounce, something to go mostly right.

And I did want to post originally so people coming up behind me might learn what could happen.
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Ltl89

I'm sorry that it's been so rough.  I haven't experienced the stares, but I haven't tried to really pass yet.  I'm afraid of the reactions once I do.  I think it's human for us to fear how other people may perceive us.  Humans are a social animal.  We want the approval of others and seek positive interactions with our peers.  It's nice to be strong enough to say you don't care, but many of us do.  Misasto, I'm sure you will blend in time.  I have seen you make progress in quick periods that I have no doubt that you will find a way to bounce back into a good spot.

Quick question, is there something you feel gives you away?  If there is, what do you think you could do to improve it or lessen being detected?  You would be surprised how the smallest things can make a radical change. 
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Misato

Quote from: learningtolive on July 22, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
Quick question, is there something you feel gives you away?  If there is, what do you think you could do to improve it or lessen being detected?  You would be surprised how the smallest things can make a radical change. 

I have a huge head and pretty wide shoulders.  Hips are tiny too but i'm hoping the grace of fat will take care of that. ;)
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Ltl89

Quote from: Misato on July 22, 2013, 11:44:54 AM
I have a huge head and pretty wide shoulders.  Hips are tiny too but i'm hoping the grace of fat will take care of that. ;)

From what I have seen, I don't think you have a huge head or big shoulders.  Still, you can always dress in a way that covers your shoulders or makes them less noticeable.  I know plenty of cis girls who cover their shoulders and arms for the same reasons.  It's not a trans thing.  Nor is the size of your head.  These things wouldn't really make you stand out to others.  Some things may, like a deep voice or a beard, but those things aren't too problematic.
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Misato

I also want to make clear I don't regret transition. I know it was the right thing to do.  Albeit more difficult than I thought it would be when I first went full time. I'm just having a hard go in a great many spots in my life and I'm worn out.

I work on what I can LTL.  Voice isn't perfect but I think improving.  Beard has largely been taken care of.  I love how good the skin on my face feels.
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StellaB

Quote from: Misato on July 22, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
Then you needent have replied to my post.


Erm, you might want to go back and reread that part you quoted, because it was definitely not addressed to you or anyone directly but rhetorically towards the people who stare or make the negative comments.
"The truth within me is more than the reality which surrounds me."
Constantin Stanislavski

Mistakes not only provide opportunities for learning but also make good stories.
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Ltl89

Quote from: Misato on July 22, 2013, 11:55:12 AM
I also want to make clear I don't regret transition. I know it was the right thing to do.  Albeit more difficult than I thought it would be when I first went full time. I'm just having a hard go in a great many spots in my life and I'm worn out.

I work on what I can LTL.  Voice isn't perfect but I think improving.  Beard has largely been taken care of.  I love how good the skin on my face feels.

That's good.  I bring up things that you can change because that has helped me cope with my fears.  I have been panicking about passing because I need to be able to blend in time.  And my family always takes potshots at me to tell me how I will never blend and will always be viewed as a male by society.  This hurts and worries me because I can't live as an unpassable transwoman.  Some are able to do that, and I admire those who can, but it isn't for me.  My therapist brought up that I need to worry about what I can change and focus on that.  In reality it's more healthy for us to ignore the things we are stuck with and focus on the things we can improve.  In my times of struggle, I take a lot of hope in knowing that there is a lot of things that I can do to better my appearance and feminize myself.  Sure, things can't be perfect, but I need to live with that.  However, there are things I can do to make myself blend and feel better about myself.  It takes time, but I will get there.

The reason I share this is becuase I'm sure focusing on those things will make you feel better as well.  Don't worry about the things that are beyond your control.  There are things that you can do that will make you feel better about yourself and allow you to exude a feminine presence that no one would dare misgender you.  It might take some more work, time and practice, but you will get there. 
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JLT1

I was in Florida a few years back on vacation and I went to the Post Office to ship a new fishing rod home.  Behind the counter was a girl in transition who absolutely did not physically pass. They made her wear a man's uniform and her badge had an old picture on it with her old male name.  It was not good at all.  I got to the counter and she smiled, asked how she could help and proceeded to be the nicest postal person I have ever encountered.  That smile positively affected everyone else in line, not only me.  We got done and as I left, I felt privileged to have met such a wonderful girl.  No doubt about her being a girl either, regardless of how she looked.

Suggestions: First make sure they are not staring because of something else that is wrong, like a big blob of ketchup on your blouse.  Then, smile and say "Hi".  Smiles are wonderful and disarming things.
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Pia Bianca

Hope you don't mind me asking, but... do they stare because they know about your transition or do they sense it? Because if it's the latter and judging from your avatar, it would be very discouraging seeing that you don't pass.

But what you experience is my biggest fear. I'd rather stay male than not achieving any passing at all. I don't think I'd be happy living as female but getting reminded all the time that I'm not.

Nevertheless I'm confident that you will achieve passing as your avatar indicates that. And if it's not the other peaople knowing about your transition what get's them staring that will fade eventually. Best wishes!
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Misato

Quote from: JLT1 on July 22, 2013, 12:20:36 PM
Suggestions: First make sure they are not staring because of something else that is wrong, like a big blob of ketchup on your blouse.  Then, smile and say "Hi".  Smiles are wonderful and disarming things.

I think this is going to be useful with the girls who give me grief from afar at work.  So high school!

Quote from: PiaBianca on July 22, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
Hope you don't mind me asking, but... do they stare because they know about your transition or do they sense it? Because if it's the latter and judging from your avatar, it would be very discouraging seeing that you don't pass.

But what you experience is my biggest fear. I'd rather stay male than not achieving any passing at all. I don't think I'd be happy living as female but getting reminded all the time that I'm not.

Nevertheless I'm confident that you will achieve passing as your avatar indicates that. And if it's not the other peaople knowing about your transition what get's them staring that will fade eventually. Best wishes!

The intentional misgenderings do tell me I don't pass.  Even though I don't I'd still have transitioned.

I must be a little nutty.  Big post about fretting over people staring at me and where am I now?  Mall of America.

Does leave me wondering why I didn't go to a good mall.....
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