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Started by Jasriella, August 17, 2013, 12:08:15 AM

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Jasriella

So basically I'd say so far I have a foot out of the closet. I've told my closest friends and my ex whom I'm still close to, as well as most everybody I play Xbox with on a regular basis (that was quite funny though how that happened, story for a different time though).

So far everyone I've told has at the very least been accepting of my "choice" as a few of them put it. The rest have all been super supportive going as far as taking me clothes shopping and getting me sized for my first bras. I tried panties and well that was a fail lol.

What really worries me isn't necessarily the military as I've mentioned before, we have an open policy now on non-discrimination of sexualities, but my family. I have one side that's hardcore Christian and the other side that's like me in the sense that we grew up knowing at least one or more gay or lesbian couple that are really good friends. That half of the family I'm not worried about being accepted more so I'm afraid of the embarrassment and questions. The Christian side though....

My family is quite large and if I tell just one of them everyone will know within a week. The Christian side of my family I know will try the church thing telling me its a sin to even think that I should be a woman and that god made me perfect the way he wanted me to be. I don't even want to start these talks so I haven't said a word to anyone in my family.

It'll happen at some point though and I'm not going to be able to do anything about it when it does happen. What I would like to happen is the Christian side of my family doesn't know at least until I'm living a full womanly life so there's no chance of them trying to talk me out of it because its already done. I want to tell the side of my family though that's more accepting, and I debate this over and over in my head almost on a daily basis and can't figure out how to make this work.
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Ltl89

Keep in mind that there are plenty of accepting Christians.  Their faith won't necessarily interfere with their love and acceptance of you.  While it will always be difficult to come out and deal with the shrapnel involved, don't think that there isn't a chance to find acceptance in time.  However, I do understand your concern as I have the same kind of family members to deal with. 

Are you in the U.S military?  If so, I would look up a little more about coming out and dealing with being trans in the military.  From what I have read, there is little one can do about that. 
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Jasriella

Quote from: learningtolive on August 17, 2013, 08:16:31 PMAre you in the U.S military?  If so, I would look up a little more about coming out and dealing with being trans in the military.  From what I have read, there is little one can do about that.
There's very little I can do about body alterations, I can go a little larger in breast size and not have to worry about getting in trouble or causing unecessary problems with the guys and me having breasts.

As far as coming out in the military, if someone finds out I'll deal with it but I'm not just going to announce it to everyone. The policy now has no discrimination towards sexuality and sexual preferences so I can't get in trouble and if people started ridiculing me and whatnot they could in fact get in A LOT of trouble. I just don't want to be the cause of these problems so I'm just going to let it slide and if someone finds out I'll just hope they have the courtesy to talk to me about instead of spreading rumors but I can only hope. I'm not too worried about it though, the guys will act weird around me and maybe cause uncomfortable situations or discussions but when it comes down to it this girl will have their back no matter what.
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JessicaH

Be careful what you assume when it comes to allies. You may find that some that you thought would not accept you in a million years, end up your strongest supporter and someone that you thought was a "shoe in", will turn their back on you and walk right out of your life.

Best of luck, Jess
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Antonia J

Everyone has said very good things so far. I would also add to be prepared for others you tell to tell people they know.  It happens.
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Jasriella

Quote from: JessicaH on August 17, 2013, 09:33:17 PM
Be careful what you assume when it comes to allies. You may find that some that you thought would not accept you in a million years, end up your strongest supporter and someone that you thought was a "shoe in", will turn their back on you and walk right out of your life.

Best of luck, Jess
Never said that I expected them to have my back after them finding out, granted it'll show how little of a person they actually are, but that doesn't mean I won't have theirs.
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Ltl89

Quote from: Jasriella on August 17, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
There's very little I can do about body alterations, I can go a little larger in breast size and not have to worry about getting in trouble or causing unecessary problems with the guys and me having breasts.

As far as coming out in the military, if someone finds out I'll deal with it but I'm not just going to announce it to everyone. The policy now has no discrimination towards sexuality and sexual preferences so I can't get in trouble and if people started ridiculing me and whatnot they could in fact get in A LOT of trouble. I just don't want to be the cause of these problems so I'm just going to let it slide and if someone finds out I'll just hope they have the courtesy to talk to me about instead of spreading rumors but I can only hope. I'm not too worried about it though, the guys will act weird around me and maybe cause uncomfortable situations or discussions but when it comes down to it this girl will have their back no matter what.

Sexual orientation is a bit different than transitioning or changing your gender presentation.  I believe the military still discriminates against transgender soldiers who are in the process of transitioning.  I'm not trying to scare you, but I want you to be aware.  There are some people on this site with personal experience with the military and may be able to help you further.  However, I'm pretty sure they can still discharge you for this.  It sucks and it's stupid, but I believe that's still in practice.   
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Jasriella

Quote from: learningtolive on August 17, 2013, 10:27:30 PM
Sexual orientation is a bit different than transitioning or changing your gender presentation.  I believe the military still discriminates against transgender soldiers who are in the process of transitioning.  I'm not trying to scare you, but I want you to be aware.  There are some people on this site with personal experience with the military and may be able to help you further.  However, I'm pretty sure they can still discharge you for this.  It sucks and it's stupid, but I believe that's still in practice.
If I were to start changing my gender appearance in uniform than yes I could get in trouble because I wouldn't be "in the proper uniform." That's why I have done very little with my body as far as transitioning goes. I do understand why the military would have a problem though with a person transitioning while still in service. It creates a whole new pile of problems such as; which shower do they use, which barracks do they bunk in, etc. It could easily disrupt an entire unit's cohesion.

I mean, I've been doing my thing off duty for four years and when I'm in uniform or on post, I do what's expected of me and in accordance with Army Regulation. There's nothing anymore in regulation about sexual orientation and to my knowledge there has never been anything specifically towards gender orientation and has always been paired with sexual orientation. I've spent many nights and countless hours panning through Army Regulations and as I stand now nothing I am doing is against regulation except the hormonal breast growth supplements I was taking for a few months which so far has given me what look like pecs but certainly aren't lol. If I were to continue those supplements to the point I had obvious breasts then yeah I would have problems, but what's another few years of waiting?

As much as I want to go full board into this, I fully understand the impacts on my life if I were to take it too far while under contract. A few more years and I'll be able to do it at my whim, and I know it'll feel like forever, but on the other hand it'll give me more time to do more research, reach a psychiatrist who will be able to give me the papers to legally pursue my transitioning when I'm out, and in all make %110 sure this is what I want. Sure I can say yeah I'd give my life for it and many times I've thought just that, why suffer a life as a man when I could just end this misery now and start over hell I have guns it'd be quick and easy right? But maybe just maybe there's a slight chance I might regret doing it if I just drop everything and rush into it. In a way the military is saving me and making me think it over absolutely thorough inside and out that this is what I truly am and what I desire in the deepest fathoms of my heart.

I know I'm young, and I have many years in front of me to enjoy as a woman after I'm out of the military. I also know that at my age I can be prone to quick and/or irrational decisions. I almost neutered myself at one point and the only thing that stopped me was realizing that almost every part of what's between my legs now is used to make me what I should be and if I damage what I have now I'll be extremely limiting what the professionals can do to make me as much of a physical woman as they can or worse (and I know this isn't a deciding factor but it's important to me) not being able to be sexually functional because I hurt myself that bad.

The potential repricussions of being found out that I'm trans in the military are very slim. There is the extreme of getting a "general discharge" but that's worst case scenario and highly unlikely. Our new commander who took command of our unit at the start of the year has been quite a bit more strict as far as attendance and uniform appearance goes, but when she did our briefing...and take a moment here she went section by section herself to do it in small groups to have a more personal discussion....she told us herself she has had both girlfriends and boyfriends. She's happily married and has kids, but also fully understands and accepts these such differences at least from what I can tell. If someone found out about me and was so bold as to tell her, I'm quite certain she'd give 'em a perverbial boot in the but.

Now there's always the potential that what she did was just for show to try and get everyone more comfortable with the idea, and in a way I respect that as well because it does make people like myself a little more comfortable at least thinking that at least someone would partially understand and not discriminate against me.



......holy crap I'm on a self justification rant......
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Ltl89

Quote from: Jasriella on August 17, 2013, 10:49:46 PM
If I were to start changing my gender appearance in uniform than yes I could get in trouble because I wouldn't be "in the proper uniform." That's why I have done very little with my body as far as transitioning goes. I do understand why the military would have a problem though with a person transitioning while still in service. It creates a whole new pile of problems such as; which shower do they use, which barracks do they bunk in, etc. It could easily disrupt an entire unit's cohesion.

I mean, I've been doing my thing off duty for four years and when I'm in uniform or on post, I do what's expected of me and in accordance with Army Regulation. There's nothing anymore in regulation about sexual orientation and to my knowledge there has never been anything specifically towards gender orientation and has always been paired with sexual orientation. I've spent many nights and countless hours panning through Army Regulations and as I stand now nothing I am doing is against regulation except the hormonal breast growth supplements I was taking for a few months which so far has given me what look like pecs but certainly aren't lol. If I were to continue those supplements to the point I had obvious breasts then yeah I would have problems, but what's another few years of waiting?

As much as I want to go full board into this, I fully understand the impacts on my life if I were to take it too far while under contract. A few more years and I'll be able to do it at my whim, and I know it'll feel like forever, but on the other hand it'll give me more time to do more research, reach a psychiatrist who will be able to give me the papers to legally pursue my transitioning when I'm out, and in all make %110 sure this is what I want. Sure I can say yeah I'd give my life for it and many times I've thought just that, why suffer a life as a man when I could just end this misery now and start over hell I have guns it'd be quick and easy right? But maybe just maybe there's a slight chance I might regret doing it if I just drop everything and rush into it. In a way the military is saving me and making me think it over absolutely thorough inside and out that this is what I truly am and what I desire in the deepest fathoms of my heart.

Okay, that makes sense.  I was under the impression you were starting to transition already.  Yeah, just being transgender and maintaining your appearance while your in the service isn't going to be a problem. 
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Jasriella

I'll post updates here as things progress as far as telling people and what happens and whatnot. I have 4 1/2 years left on my contract till I ETS out but a lot can happen in that amount of time.
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Sarah

Hi Jasriella

BTW Love your name its so pretty.

Anyway I'm also in the Military YA, I'm in the Aussie Navy and I know that the chief of the Army here actually employs a MTF to his staff for the purposes of getting her opinion on regulations and the like. In addition he is the Australian defence spokesperson for the LGBT community in defence. If you need a high ranking defence perspective you should be able to find videos on YouTube.
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As for the waiting honey, if your happy to do that then GREAT. but your fellow soldiers should be supportive I have told a couple of my friends here (two army) and they were very supportive. We are taught to be a tolerant society and are held to a higher level of moral obligation then the rest of society so if anyone will accept you then, I think, they will.

I think the psych is a great idea defence usually allow free access for their personnel and even if its just someone to offload onto, you will feel much better. I was uber nervous the first time I went but surprisingly, even in the small unit I'm in, there are others going through the same thing. So dont feel alone in your feelings most likely the psych's will have experience in helping you and may even help in you getting some specialist advice.

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Jasriella

Quote from: Andria on August 17, 2013, 11:35:23 PM
Hi Jasriella

BTW Love your name its so pretty.

Anyway I'm also in the Military YA, I'm in the Aussie Navy and I know that the chief of the Army here actually employs a MTF to his staff for the purposes of getting her opinion on regulations and the like. In addition he is the Australian defence spokesperson for the LGBT community in defence. If you need a high ranking defence perspective you should be able to find videos on YouTube.
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As for the waiting honey, if your happy to do that then GREAT. but your fellow soldiers should be supportive I have told a couple of my friends here (two army) and they were very supportive. We are taught to be a tolerant society and are held to a higher level of moral obligation then the rest of society so if anyone will accept you then, I think, they will.

I think the psych is a great idea defence usually allow free access for their personnel and even if its just someone to offload onto, you will feel much better. I was uber nervous the first time I went but surprisingly, even in the small unit I'm in, there are others going through the same thing. So dont feel alone in your feelings most likely the psych's will have experience in helping you and may even help in you getting some specialist advice.

Best of Luck
We unfortunately don't have a chaplain (military psychiatrist/preacher), our unit is actually small enough that we haven't had one stay since before I joined the unit. Occasionally one shows up for spiritual guidance but he's always swamped with people trying to have one on one talks that I don't even bother.

Unfortunately though American is nowhere near the acceptance as I've heard that Australia has. We're just getting into it and its been a long tough process with a lot of discrimination and political BS. It's slowly turning but just enough to drive me mad at times when I watch the news. I never even started exploring and trying to be feminine on my own until I started seeing I wasn't the only one hiding, besides when I was really little anyway.

The thing about America though is that every state is different and every city is just as different. And in North Dakota I feel I have to be carefule, not because I'm afraid I might get hurt, but because this state has always been Christian based and very biased and from what I've seen quite often racist.
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Joanna Dark

If they find out you are trans, you will be discharged, not admirable, not medical, administrative. You may lose access to the VA. Do not do it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/09/trans_servicemembers_coming_out_may_cause_discharg.php
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Sarah

Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 17, 2013, 11:54:54 PM
If they find out you are trans, you will be discharged, not admirable, not medical, administrative. You may lose access to the VA. Do not do it.

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/09/trans_servicemembers_coming_out_may_cause_discharg.php
I dont think so. I'm not sure if it is different in the US, but that is covered by anti-discrimination laws here in Aus and basically defence could get in a lot of trouble, not to mention the bad spotlight, for discharging you for wanting to be a women.
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However note you would need to still present physically and mentally fit for duty. As for the mentally part it could be argued that being trans does not affect your ability to give/follow orders and that your function in these tasks has not been impaired in the past and wouldn't be should you go through with your transition.
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US military, trans is a mental defect.
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Quote from: Andria on August 18, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
I dont think so. I'm not sure if it is different in the US, but that is covered by anti-discrimination laws here in Aus and basically defence could get in a lot of trouble, not to mention the bad spotlight, for discharging you for wanting to be a women.

It is completely different in the U.S. You don't even have to admit it. It's not DADT. If someone outs you, you're gone. This was two years ago but it is prolly still valid and has not changed. If the OP tells someone about being trans, the OP will be considered "administratively unfit to serve."

http://www.queerty.com/discharge-of-trans-soldier-marks-beginning-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-part-deux-20110929/
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Jasriella

Quote from: LordKAT on August 18, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
US military, trans is a mental defect.
So is being gay or lesbian but they're allowed.
Quote from: Joanna Dark on August 18, 2013, 02:36:49 AM
It is completely different in the U.S. You don't even have to admit it. It's not DADT. If someone outs you, you're gone. This was two years ago but it is prolly still valid and has not changed. If the OP tells someone about being trans, the OP will be considered "administratively unfit to serve."

http://www.queerty.com/discharge-of-trans-soldier-marks-beginning-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-part-deux-20110929/
"Two weeks before the repeal of "Don't ask don't tell"." And that was near two years ago.
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Joanna Dark

Quote from: Jasriella on August 18, 2013, 06:31:51 AM
So is being gay or lesbian but they're allowed.

Do you mean the military thinks that? Or that it is?
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