How much it bothers you when people mix transexual with gay/lesbian?

[Brandon]

The people that respond to you are just disagreeing with you. It is not personal.

No on other threads as well

[Jamie D]

Here is the deal folks.  Topics like this generally break down into arguments.  Also, separatism is contrary to the support function of the site.  The topic is currently being discussed among moderators.

We will get back with a decision in a bit.

BtW, this is not strictly an FtM topic.  There was a similar topic in MtF Talk that I have moved to Transgender Talk.

Here it is, and it is still open, for the time being:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,148022.0.html

[dalebert]

"A community defined by their sexual activity".
That is how many gay men see themselves, and part of the reason trans people do not fit with the gay activists.

I feel like I have to debunk this notion a lot. Gay marriage keeps turning into a discussion about sex. The issues that LGB folks face are rarely about sex. OTHER people are obsessed with our sex lives, and THAT is actually the problem. Gay marriage is not about sex. All bans against homosexual activity were lifted at the Supreme Court level years ago. Gay people can have sex. That's not a problem. People making marriage about sex do so in order to discriminate against gay people. Marriage is about all the other stuph--tax discrimination, hospital visitation, wills, etc. Getting discriminated against is a problem because OTHER people are obsessed with what we might be doing sexually, or as someone pointed out in another thread, possibly because a lot of LGBs have cross-gender mannerisms or styles--the same sorts of things that trans people get discriminated against for. Being subject to violence is OTHER people obssessing with that tiny portion of our lives that's about sex.

In short, the problems we face are not about sex at all. Sex is generally a non-issue. People want to make it about sex, but it's not.

[Jamie D]

Merged similar topics.  Unlocked.

Please no bashing other groups.

Discuss responsibly

[Natkat]

I don't bother having GLBT labeled together. I don't see it as "fight for sexual rights + transgenders.
I see it more as; "fight for being who your are and loving who you love no matter there gender or sex" which aply to both gay and trans people.
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in my GLBT comunety I think the trans people are pretty outstanding and work well with the others members so I havent had any problems theres.

it dose bother me outside when people forget the T whatever its on a ignorant gay bar or for a demonstrating for russia and they only mention how it to harm gay people. yes usunally the gay western guys are the main attention, then the lesbian the bisexual and on the bottom transgenders. Many people also somehow use it to get suport. since they know more people suport gay people than trans people they somethimes only say gay and left out trans, it makes it seam more suportive and it bothers me alot.
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yet I dont think its a reason for us not to work together, think about it, its only very recently gay people got this right they got today, simple going 30 years ago the world where a whole diffrent place to be homosexual. also, even today in diffrent areas countrys and way of living we still have diffrent stuggles who put us in diffrent positions. I dont think the whole "your diffrent than me so why should I be compared to you" really gets us anywhere. 

[Lo]

I prefer the acronym GSRM which stands for "gender, sexuality, and romantic minorities". It pretty neatly covers who you love, how you love, and loving yourself. Which is, at the end of the day, what folks have problems with. They don't want us to love ourselves or anyone else.

Unfortunately it's a long ways off from catching up to GLBTQA+.

[MaryXYX]

I feel like I have to debunk this notion a lot. Gay marriage keeps turning into a discussion about sex. The issues that LGB folks face are rarely about sex. OTHER people are obsessed with our sex lives, and THAT is actually the problem. Gay marriage is not about sex. All bans against homosexual activity were lifted at the Supreme Court level years ago. Gay people can have sex. That's not a problem. People making marriage about sex do so in order to discriminate against gay people. Marriage is about all the other stuph--tax discrimination, hospital visitation, wills, etc. Getting discriminated against is a problem because OTHER people are obsessed with what we might be doing sexually, or as someone pointed out in another thread, possibly because a lot of LGBs have cross-gender mannerisms or styles--the same sorts of things that trans people get discriminated against for. Being subject to violence is OTHER people obssessing with that tiny portion of our lives that's about sex.

In short, the problems we face are not about sex at all. Sex is generally a non-issue. People want to make it about sex, but it's not.

I did challenge the speaker on the "community defined by their sexual activity" description and he said that wasn't his opinion, it was the common perception.  Mind he only said that *after* I challenged him.  As for the rest of your post I entirely agree.  We had Delena Wilkerson of http://www.10thousandcouples.com/ at our church last Sunday and one thing she and her partner said was how much more it meant to them to be married rather than in a civil partnership.  That aspect of marriage is important too.

[MaryXYX]

As a woman who transitioned I feel more comfortable being represented by women than by lesbians, gays and bisexuals.  I feel very good about inclusion with other women.  Women tend to understand my needs whether they realize it or not whereas inclusion in the GLB tends to be done for no other reason than, "We need representation so we gotta take whatever we can get."  Also by including myself in with other women for support I don't minoritize myself and people are better able to relate to me and understand me for who I am.

I have found this too.  Some women don't accept me, but the majority are either tolerant or actively supportive.  I don't know what the other members of my local lesbian group are thinking, but they treat me in a friendly and inclusive manner.  My local "G(L) and perhaps B" group does seem to be mainly about what the "G"s do though, and the sense I get from them is they have to tolerate me so they can call it an LGBT group.