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*Waves*Hey, everyone. Probably pathetic and potentionally depressing story here.

Started by Night Haven, September 03, 2013, 04:31:33 PM

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Night Haven

Hello, everyone. Feel free to disregard this, but I'm posting it here because I can generally think better if I'm writing something to strangers, rather than myself. Aside, I need a swift knock to the head (and probably a self esteem boost... and a therapist) so I can think clearly again. So I'm posting this potentially pathetic and depressing rant about my life here. Moderators, please feel free to post a trigger warning if that need be – I'm not a great judge of that stuff, as I'm sure you'll soon see.
This was going to be in the "What Made You Unhappy Today" thread, but it got way too long.

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I've finally looked up the definition and can say I've been getting panic attacks.
 
Even worse that they're being caused by an old friend.
We used to be very close, but she ended up taking a hiatus from pretty much all contact; I knew she wasn't a very social person, but it turns out she was feeling as bad as I am now from constantly spending time together. I ended up being very anxious one week - and that sent her off; she needed a break. By the time she had actually gotten back to me, I had calmed down enough to handle her absence for a while. I don't trust easily, or at all, but I trusted this person enough to hope she'd be back in a couple weeks time.

It turned out I had underestimated her - or overestimated her, whichever - she was out of touch for almost a month, and I was afraid to text or email her in case she'd end up taking more time, or getting mad at me. The thing was - at that point in time, I desperately needed the contact. I was depressed to the point of considering suicide, and she was the only person I had been leaning on; I had experienced some depression before, but nothing that severe. It scared me, but the idea got into my mind that if I ended up pissing her off, she would decide to cut off all contact and I would be completely alone; I couldn't handle that, and would have tried reaching out to other friends, but the other one I talked to fairly often stopped speaking to me out of the blue.

At one point, I did end up texting her; I had a very bad experience with my mother, who's been verbally and emotionally abusive for as long as I can remember, that triggered a panic attack. I knew I probably wouldn't be able to leave the house, but even knowing that she'd be there for me - finally - in a time or need would have been enough to help me calm down, and maybe even open up about the problems I was having. She never texted back, and while I assume her phone was off I still wonder if she just didn't want to deal with me. I have problems with conveying what I'm feeling, and usually understate myself, but I thought that the message I had sent contained enough urgency for her to respond.
Though up until then I had been clinging to the hope that maybe tomorrow, or even in the next hour, she would finally text or email me and everything could go back to something resembling normal, it was crushed in that incident. I still waited, but I had every feeling and thought that she would not come back on her own.

I waited for another week or so before finally emailing her; she responded with what I mentioned above - being near me all the time was hurting her; she was used to being a "teddy-bear friend," someone to go to with your problems but little else; she had been emotionally and physically abused by friends before, and she wasn't comfortable with the attention she was getting from me. Everything I wanted to say to her went silent when I got that; I didn't want to make her think that that was what I was doing, and I didn't want her to have to deal with my problems along with her own because she'd already been through more than I had and she was finally standing up for herself and doing what was needed to make her feel comfortable. She deserved this, and I wasn't about to ruin that.

As much as I want to talk to her - need to talk to her - about some things, I can't do it. To me, her problems are more important than mine, simply because she deserves to have her way for once. My problems don't factor in to making her comfortable - that is my thought, anyhow.
We emailed after that - back to our usual routines. Nothing personal or serious was discussed; I never asked her about any of that because, again, she was uncomfortable with my asking, and I never brought up my own issues so she wouldn't have to deal with them.

I didn't know how I would react when I eventually saw her again - there were certainly times that I cried at even considering seeing her again, but I thought those times had passed.
I thought I might be able to handle relations with her at school, and had expected for us to ease back into things, but that's what would have made me feel better.
First day of class, and she acts as if nothing had ever happened. By all means, does she deal with everything better than I do, and I hadn't actually talked to her about those damn issues of mine and had acted otherwise normal in emails, so there's no reason why she wouldn't act that way; she said hello and was altogether rather chipper. The problem was with me; upon seeing her, I started shaking. I couldn't sit behind her, so I got up and found a space across the room. I tried not to look at her, as the shaking got worse with that; as the class went on, I got hot and anxious; my chronic pain flared up, and my chest and stomach twisted themselves into knots; by the end of the class I had developed chills and became rather lightheaded. Upon looking up the definition, I have to admit I was having a panic attack.

I'm still appalled that my reaction to her was so physical, and that I couldn't speak to her - at all. She didn't talk to me on the bus ride back, though in fairness I had chosen not to sit next to her - I felt like I would finally break down and start crying if she started a conversation.

So now, I worry that I had been too inconsiderate in her mind; the old fears - though they're always present these days - that she won't talk to me again are very, very fresh in mind. I want - so, so desperately want - to talk to her about this, but... I still don't feel I can, and might not for a while. I want to say, "You hurt me deeply, and I'm sorry, but I still haven't recovered from that. I hope you'll forgive me that I'll take a while to come back and be comfortable around you again," but I don't... *Sigh* I don't feel I have the right to say that.

The signs of an irrational mind, everyone. The solution is quite clearly in front of me, certainly, but I'm too afraid of speaking my mind to her to do anything about anything.

*Closes eyes* I apologize for any typos that Word didn't pick up when I transferred this over, but my shame is strong enough to prohibit reading everything again at this point in time. At least it felt better to get things down.


-Fight for the changes you want to see made; become the changes you want to see in the world.-

-The world is worse enough as it is; let us be and let be. Let's stop spreading hate and start spreading acceptance...-
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Beth Andrea

I'm not much on advice when it comes to friendships, but my gut response is that you were a bit too clingy for her. Heck, I would've left you earlier than she did.

Don't be offended or upset; people aren't huggy bears, you can't use them for your needs and only for your needs. People should be stand-alone beings...a complete and healthy person in their own right.

It sounds like you have other issues as far as you yourself are concerned. Yes yes yes, get thee to a the*apist ASAP...hold off on intense friendships until you are better grounded inside yourself.

Be happy in your memories of her being with you, but accept that she may have already left you. There's no harm in her making that choice, indeed if you are suggesting suicide as a consequence of being apart, she is wise to not stay with you. Not saying you're *that* horrible of a person, but any threat of violence--against her or yourself is an immediate "EJECT EJECT EJECT" situation.

I'm thinking others more experienced in the ways of friendships may chime in...good luck, hope things get better for you.
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Night Haven

I know I was too clingy; that hasn't happened before, and frankly I'm disturbed and disgusted that I could get so dependent on a single person with that effect.

I'm not offended or upset by her so much as myself for that. I know she's her own person, and definitely isn't someone who tolerates that sort of attention for so long. I only wished I had realized that on my own; I'm trying to give her much more space now - I don't expect things to go back to how they were, and I don't really want them to because it makes her uncomfortable, and at this point it makes me uncomfortable as well.

That... I can understand that, and I'd have about the same reaction if I were on the other end of this. The issue of depression isn't directed toward her so much as a few circumstances from around that time, though she does play a part in it; I've been feeling better now, more or less, and the point I was at was closer to not wanting to live because my life didn't appear to be going anywhere good, I was depressed, and on top of that I might have caused a close friend to leave me, rather than wanting to kill myself only because she wasn't there to support my weight. If I had a choice in the matter, I wouldn't have picked her to lean on, it just developed that way; I'm giving her her distance, and I know I shouldn't try to pass my issues onto others, but I'm trying to resolve the latter now (though saying everything on here will weaken that statement; in my defense, I have no defense, but I'm trying to give myself a wake-up slap through this - critical review forces one to see things he would rather not see, and from those new viewpoint I can try to analyze myself and fix what can be fixed).
-Fight for the changes you want to see made; become the changes you want to see in the world.-

-The world is worse enough as it is; let us be and let be. Let's stop spreading hate and start spreading acceptance...-
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Beth Andrea

Maybe just let her go entirely? Don't expect her to come back, and if she is to come back, let her make the first (several) moves.

Practice breathing. Seriously. Focus on the peace of just being. Breathe. Be calm. Take life one day at a time. One hour, even one minute at a time. Practice this. Make it so you can summon up inner peace and tranquility at a moment's notice, with nothing but you and the air you breathe as the focus.

The air itself will become the connection with the world outside of your body.

I don't recall the core problems which are causing the depression, panic attacks, etc. but try to separate them from your own Being. Deal with them one at a time--first would be any which are interrupting your efforts at serenity (such as immediate medical issues, unsafe living conditions, etc). Things that are from the past are generally lower priority, after immediate things.

Breathe. Relax. Let your friend go in peace.

*hugs*

(Wow, I got all Zen there for a moment. Well, it works. Practice! And tranquility is yours, like a dust bunny under the bed.)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Night Haven

Thank you, Beth, I needed that.
I've been considering this from the wrong perspective.
I've been infinitely selfish and horrible to this person, and I'm lucky if I get even another chance. I need to let her go if she needs to go, as difficult as that might be; the time has come for me to stop being a selfish brat and actually grow up.

*Sigh* I don't think this person can forgive me, if we ever do make up, but if she gives me the chance I have to start considering things from her side first, and do what ever I can to make up for everything.
-Fight for the changes you want to see made; become the changes you want to see in the world.-

-The world is worse enough as it is; let us be and let be. Let's stop spreading hate and start spreading acceptance...-
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Night Haven on September 03, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
Thank you, Beth, I needed that.
I've been considering this from the wrong perspective.
I've been infinitely selfish and horrible to this person, and I'm lucky if I get even another chance. I need to let her go if she needs to go, as difficult as that might be; the time has come for me to stop being a selfish brat and actually grow up.

*Sigh* I don't think this person can forgive me, if we ever do make up, but if she gives me the chance I have to start considering things from her side first, and do what ever I can to make up for everything.

"Forgiving you" and "making up" are two very different things. It sounds as if she's already forgiven you...

Quote...First day of class, and she acts as if nothing had ever happened. By all means, does she deal with everything better than I do, and I hadn't actually talked to her about those damn issues of mine and had acted otherwise normal in emails, so there's no reason why she wouldn't act that way; she said hello and was altogether rather chipper.

Assuming she's not the kind to play mind-games, this sounds like the behavior of someone who has forgiven you (i.e., she is not holding a grudge or other negative emotions). But, just because you're forgiven, doesn't mean she will come back to you.

She might. She might not. The point is, you need to let her go entirely. Do not worry about what she may or may not do...let her go. If she does come back, it's a happy surprise. If she doesn't...that's ok too, because you've already let her go.

*peace*
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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