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Any other trans-people who have had or about to have government funded surgery?

Started by Anatta, June 21, 2013, 12:31:20 AM

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Anatta

Quote from: Eurydike on June 22, 2013, 02:25:19 AM
It is not "government funded". This sounds like a kind of grant. Or like trans people becoming GRS money over the counter for saying "Hi, my name is Trann". It is medical expenses paid by money from income taxes, which lost of tax payers pay for all those have medical issues (including themselves).

When we get GRS expensed paid by health systems we are getting our share of the tax money like everyone else, and not a special treatment. Just the same like everyone else, with the exception of the much more through gatekeeping and the play "hey, get dressed and prove you're a woman for about a year".

I'm saying all this because GRS expenses covered by national health systems are among the first targets by politicians claiming to have the solution to expensive health systems, turning to all possible jingoes about just sex and how unnecessary or low priority GRS treatments are. In some European countries they have succeeded.

If they give you a titanium hip because it is cheaper than paying for you sitting the rest of your life on your couch or on a wheelchair, they can give you your hormones and your parts because it's cheaper than having you depressed, drugged, long-term psychologically treated, jobless, abused, beaten, raped and killed, all of which generate some expenses for the tax payers as well.

Same with fertility treatments. Same with pregnancy care. Same with psychiatric and psychological care for old and new DSM labels. Same with physiotherapy and substance abuse rehab care. Same with millions of prescriptions and pre-emptive diagnostic treatments that keep the medical machine running financially. They're not all urgent, immediate life-saving treatments (only in the long run), but above all but money-saving treatments.

Kia Ora Eurydike,

It's true..It is our own tax money being refunded in a way...So it could be seen as a government initiated 'special' tax refund...I guess seeing it this way will easy a guilty conscience (Not that I ever had a guilty conscience to begin with )

Metta Zenda :)
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Eurydike

Quote from: Kuan Yin on June 22, 2013, 02:33:10 AM
Kia Ora Eurydike,

It's true..It is our own tax money being refunded in a way...So it could be seen as a government initiated 'special' tax refund...I guess seeing it this way will easy a guilty conscience (Not that I ever had a guilty conscience to begin with )

Metta Zenda :)


Hi Metta Zenda, may the force be with you/the Goddess bless you etc. I think I got you right from the beginning. No guilt about getting GRS by insurance Cos. and/or NHS.  I was making my point because of two reasons: firstly, there's a lot of talk in some countries about not getting GRS covered by health systems. Secondly, by using phrasings like "funding", detractors and gender dilettantes usually enjoy presenting GRS as an unnecessary goodie, money grant or privilege, while it is just another health care service paid by tax money like many others, as I said before. One of the problems is that we still see it ourselves as an exception or kind of blessing. In general, in those countries with social security health systems people see health care as a right funded by their labour. Sex, gender and GD health problems should be no exception.

It's similar with women's health: if men could have breast cancer as often as women and testicle cancer just as often, there would be inexpensive mammogram and ultrasound booths in every corner.   ;)

Cheers/blessings,
Eurydike
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Tristan

Yeah I'm kinda glad that some governments are willing to push us to do these things. I guess it's for our own good and normally turns out well :)
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Anatta

Quote from: Tristan on June 22, 2013, 07:33:54 AM
Yeah I'm kinda glad that some governments are willing to push us to do these things. I guess it's for our own good and normally turns out well :)

Kia Ora Tristan,

Yes in your particular case a 'government shove' in the right direction, it would seem has turned out well...You seem to be coping quite well...

Metta Zenda :)
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Tristan

Kuan yin thank you,
I was very well behaved and did what was required of me. I was just surprised for a while that not everyone else got the same government treatments
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Mollie

The Scottish NHS will soon be funding facial hair removal and I'm told also a tracheal shave in the fullness of time as would BIS (Banana Inversion Surgery) if I so chose. I don't have a guilt trip about it as I just calculated that in my life I have paid approx' £600,000 tax (£900,000) to the UK government. I realize no-one here would even suggest the guilt thing but we all know how trashy news papers throughout the world feel about such matters.
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Anatta

Quote from: sentience on June 23, 2013, 05:10:11 AM
The Scottish NHS will soon be funding facial hair removal and I'm told also a tracheal shave in the fullness of time as would BIS (Banana Inversion Surgery) if I so chose. I don't have a guilt trip about it as I just calculated that in my life I have paid approx' £600,000 tax (£900,000) to the UK government. I realize no-one here would even suggest the guilt thing but we all know how trashy news papers throughout the world feel about such matters.

Kia Ora Sentience,

Wow ! That's great news...I wish the Kiwi government would come to the party and allow trans-people access to their tax dollars to do the same...

As it stands here in NZ the government 'allows' funding for  3 M2Fs (bottom surgery only) and 2 F2ms ( I think in their case both bottom and top surgery) anything else we have to pay for ourselves...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Jeanette

Hi.

I've had government funded SRS in Denmark, hardly 4 weeks Post-Op as of today.

Denmark has government funded helth care (that's one of the reasons for our extreemely high taxes), but the selection process before SRS is very strict so very few get through the process (3-5 a year in average a year, M2F and F2M combined). My selection process took 3½ year with monthly sessions.

/Jeanette
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Icephoenyx

Not all provinces in up here in Canada fund it but thank goodness I live in one of the areas that do. Allowed me to use my savings for a BA so I'm even better off now :)
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LordKAT

US insurance companies aren't in to save money, only to make more money for themselves.  Why else refuse birth control but pay for pregnancy and children? Health insurance companies have maintained a steady or rising profit when everything else lost or broke even.
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Julo

I live in Sweden. Had GRS, laser, would get boobs if I wanted, trachea shave and I pay hormones and other prescribed medicine only up to 285 dollars per year and than I get it free.
Some people brake their legs and knees riding skateboards or hurting them while they are drunk and they get expensive surgeries as well. Everybody knows that we can get sick anytime and we get old and need to be taken care of so there is no debate about it. The debates about the health care system in the US seems completely absurd. That it´s some kind of political thing, even considered totally socialist. Not even the conservative right wing says that here.
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Tristan

Yeah in America it's a big business. And seeing as how so many people in America are poor and don't pay taxes the government really doesn't want to give up on the way health care has been for do many years :(
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mrs izzy

I just had mine funded in Quebec, Canada via the RAMQ. It had a few extra hoops to jump through and extra time to wait. I am a PR of Canada and been living here with my Canada born husband since 2009. I am seeing a lot of changes coming to the states and thinking in less then 2 years insurance companies will not be able to refuse coverage along with medicare and medicaid.

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justinesmithies

I had mine on the Scottish NHS and it was a lot easier for me then people going through the same in England and Wales.
From seeing my doctor to seeing the phycologist and physchiatrist and seeing a speech therapist to surgery i think it took just under a year and a half.
The only problem was getting my hormone levels and LFT etc checked as my Endocrinologist wasn't too sure and i had to badger my doctor to get repeat appointments as the Endocrine department never made new appointments when they said they would.
I can says its a postcode lottery as down in England there are more people in our situation and only so much of a budget to go around, Yet up here its not as common so i scored really.
On the down side there aren't too many of us up here in the North East of Scotland so the doctors are quite lacking in knowledge, But I cannot put my one down as he did do his best for me.
My surgery was in Brighton at the Nuffield hospital by Mr Phillip Thomas.
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

Thanks for your responses...

It's good to see some members are living in countries where GRS is part of their NHS...Lets hope government funding for GRS is contagious and starts to spread worldwide...

Metta Zenda :) 
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Arike

I live in The Netherlands and I had my SRS in Amsterdam two years ago. Almost everything was paid by our health insurance system, however in my case the quality was so poor, that I had most of it revised by dr. Chettawut in a 3-hour surgery just a couple of days ago. I am very satisfied with the result now, however the revision is not covered by my insurance.
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Jamie D

Quote from: Arike on August 08, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
I live in The Netherlands and I had my SRS in Amsterdam two years ago. Almost everything was paid by our health insurance system, however in my case the quality was so poor, that I had most of it revised by dr. Chettawut in a 3-hour surgery just a couple of days ago. I am very satisfied with the result now, however the revision is not covered by my insurance.

I am sorry to hear your first operation was not aesthetically pleasing to you.  I hope you are recovering well this time.
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Salome


I had my done in the UK by Dr ( MR) Thomas and I got no regrets
I'm grateful to the NHS

I'm very happy with my results and How I was treated I was well look after
all I wanted mentally was to be strong  and  pray no to have any complications
and to heal well and be happy

GRS comes with many challenges ,painful dilation's, blood and many other things
but I learn to be happy in my life

I'm cancer recurrence patient survivor and this hard time in my life teach me
how deal with my self during my GRS recovery time


and I'm now


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anjaq

My surgery was paid for by the german public health insurance. They also pay for therapy and HRT, they are reluctant however to pay for breast implants though usually it can be done if one can demonstrate a need (usually that means however pay various amounts of money in addition, especially if choosing a surgeon that is not the cheapest) and are very yucky when it comes to facial hair removal. Technically they do pay for it, but in practice no doctor will do it as it is underpaid, so most people pay for laser treatment themselves or pay for an electrologist. So all of this costs not a lot really and it is quite easy as one does not even have to pay and then get a refund or such, it is all paid directly. BUT there is a rather strict system of procedures. This consists of mandatory therapy and examination for some specific genetic problems and intersex indicators as well as psychological conditions that could mimick TS plus a brain scan to exclude tumours. Then there is a requirement for a year of real life change before HRT is assigned (which is cruel and I know of no one who kept that order except one - everyone else got their "drugs" somewhere else). Then follows an assessment by two therapists who have to sign off on the need for surgery describing it as the only solution to solve the gender dysphoria. Sadly, not all of the surgeons will do this on health insurance money as they usually do not pay well (thanks to the stupid neolibera agenda since the 1980ies) and charge extra money. Plus it is not easily possible to go out of the country with it, all treatment has to be within the country of Germany.

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