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Started by roxx.i, September 09, 2013, 05:34:50 AM

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roxx.i

I apologise in advance as this is purely a rant because I have no where else to unload this.

I have long standing mental health issues of my own, and since my partner began social transition I've been really struggling to deal with my own issues. I want more than anything to be there for my partner because I am their only support network. But it has been really hard on me trying to adjust and support my partner through everything.

Tonight I'm particularly struggling with my own things and the one night I need my partner to be by my side, they are self harming and obviously having difficulty dealing with everything. I should be there supporting my partner because I know they are hurting but I am in exactly the same position tonight and I feel so guilty and selfish that I am not being more supportive.

Sometimes it is just so unbelievably hard being an SO. I am trying to support my partner as much as I can but sometimes it all seems too hard to handle.

*sigh. I'm sorry for being dramatic. Tomorrow is a new day.
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Jamie D

You are not being dramatic.  Transition is hard on the individual, and doubly hard on the couple.

I have two concerns.  First, you need to express your needs to you partner, openly and honestly.  They are you "partner" after all, someone you should be able to share things with, and someone who should be a loving companion.  It could be that the stress related to your partners transition is taking a large toll on you - DO NOT neglect yourself.

Second, your partner's self-harm is a very clear red flag.  It needs to be dealt with, soon.  You did not say which way your partner is going, but "cutting" is far too common in our community.  Urge them to get help, and if they do not, discuss options with your own therapist.
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blueconstancy

*hugs* I sympathize so much with both of you. I am autistic and have an anxiety disorder, which means that a) I hate change and b) I can come up with some impressively realistic worst-case scenarios and obsess about them to a remarkable degree. So my wife declaring "I'm going to change effectively everything about myself while also jeopardizing every single thing in our lives that you care about" was... not good. I decided to deal with it by suppressing a lot of my own feelings and needs because I felt like her dysphoria trumped my problems, which was NOT a smart plan. I don't have any useful advice on how not to do that in a concrete sense, but I absolutely recommend valuing your own needs and respecting that you both have a right to be upset and to react however you feel you have to. Possibly a third-party listener would help? I sometimes wish I'd gotten therapy. I know it's incredibly tough when your partner and support is suddenly too focused on herself to be there for you, too.

Sonoid, if your partner is who I think it is, that thread about you was terrible and (long before this moment when you posted), I'd ended up in tears reading it. People were being incredibly harsh about the idea of a wife who needs time to adjust and is unhappy. Aside from that, this story you've told highlights that your wife is both depressed and profoundly self-centered (which isn't uncommon in transition, but it's very hard for loved ones to cope with). Your pain and loss *are* real and valid, and you've had to deal with the tremendously difficult issue of keeping silent while working through your grief and fear; I voluntarily kept silent in the same situation, but it was still very very hard. I'm not able to spend much time on the internet because of RSI issues or I would offer to email you as well, but as it is, know that you do have support here. In fact, the only reason I keep coming to Susan's is in an effort to counter the constant, toxic tide of negativity about partners that I see permeating the trans community.

I keep repeating that it is possible for relationships to survive transition... but it's also true that when the transitioning person has an ongoing unwillingness to compromise, listen, or consider the feelings of their partner, it's much harder to maintain the relationship. :( Honestly, that's true just in general; even cis people who refuse to prioritize their loved ones will eventually risk those relationships. I'm saying this not to be depressing, but because the vicious corollary of "most partners leave" is to then accuse that someone who *does* leave is a transphobic jerk. Sometimes, it's no one's fault, but it doesn't work. If either of you determine that this is simply too much to handle on top of your own legitimate issues, that would not make you a bad person.
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blueconstancy

(Yes, thankfully, things are much better now; she finished transition about three years ago, so I've had time to adjust.)

Ouch, your poor little boy. I'm  not sure I *can* understand, because at least I'm an adult who could choose to leave; he's effectively trapped by his parent's choices at that age. No wonder you're trying so hard to advocate for him as well.

As for how to get her to listen, I so very much wish I knew. You are NOT selfish or unreasonable for wishing that she would! Or for wishing she'd defend you - I'd be terribly hurt if my wife stood by and let people talk about me like that.  (She's actually dropped friends who told her to leave me.) She may not have realized how it'd look to you, but even so, that was a lot of cruel things that people said, some of them factually inaccurate to boot. Anyway, it isn't your "fault" that there's conflict when you express your needs, either. A relationship can't be entirely one-sided and survive, and you're not picking fights by telling her how *you* feel. You are also doing your best, as you've said. Hell, your best is pretty darned good considering how little time you've known and the fact that you had to go away shortly thereafter. I think you're handling it better than I was at around the same point.

I ended up suicidal because of the people telling my wife that our marriage would crash and burn and it'd be MY fault, actually. So you're doing pretty well, but also, your wife's being remarkably oblivious to the potential damage to you of people saying these things PUBLICLY about you. Yes, some people have had bad reactions when they came out. You're being very gracious, in fact, because my response to that is more like "and my mother was abusive, but I don't assume all mothers are like that." You are not their partners, and projecting the bad outcomes onto your marriage is more likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy than helpful. (I should have made it clear that I also do know many, many wonderful trans people, as well as several marriages that are doing great. I understand that it's typical for someone who was badly burned in a relationship to be bitter and angry, even when we're talking about cis people. But it's sometimes easier to say "that guy is still getting over his divorce, his opinion's a bit skewed" when it's not in a situation as statistically unusual and societally fraught as transition, you know? So I hang out here to try to counter the people who are [genuinely] still scarred by their own nightmare experiences and [understandably] can't yet see beyond them.)
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roxx.i

Thank you to everyone that has replied to my thread, I'm sorry it has taken me so long to read through them. You have no idea how wonderful it feels to hear all of your stories. I don't really come to Susans to get advice necessarily, but I really do find hearing other peoples experiences helpful. I guess it just make me feel less alone. Thank you so much for sharing.

I sometimes feel as though my life is consumed by my partners transition. She has only come out to a couple of her friends which means that I am her main support network. Which I love, but this is all so new to me that I am still trying to graspe the concept of pronouns and such. My partner has always been gender queer, and it has never bothered me before. But when she came out saying that she can't imagine ever being my wife, only my husband, I was totally shocked. I never thought she would actively go through transition. I thought she would always just remain neutral, as she was perfectly happy with that. It came as a shock but I've managed to get my head around things from that perspective.

My partner is pre everything - (FTM) - and still lives as a female. (I have her permission to use female pronouns until social transition). So dysphoria is a normal part of our daily lives at the moment. I agree with what you guys said earlier - I totally put her dysphoria ahead of my own issues/feelings. I have absolutely no idea what it must be like to live with dysphoria every day of your life and I feel like that should trump any of my issues. Logically, I know that I shouldn't. And I can be told by every one that I shouldn't do that. But it's so different in real life. The other night when I posted this thread, my partner had a particularly bad day with dysphoria, after being stuck at work all day being called a pretty girl etc. (For starters she is NOTHING like a pretty girl. She pretty much passes 80% of the time without any effort at all). So I felt awful for her. She wouldn't talk to me all night and then texted me saying that she was self harming. It was horrible because I am away at university and could do nothing. I was also struggling because I had a terrible day as well. I have severe depression and dissociation, and was just having the worst day. I have been self-harm free for 3 years but I was to the point that I started again. (Don't stress, I stopped after I realised how stupid I was being). So for me that was really difficult, because I clearly needed my partner but once again I put her dysphoria in front of my needs.

I also hate that my partner won't let me talk to anyone about her transition. I was really upset and pretty much exploded to my best friend when I couldn't keep it to myself anymore. I later told my partner that I spoke with my best friend, and she ended up getting really upset with me for not asking her before speaking to someone about it. I respect that she wants me to ask her first but I also just wish that she understood my need to get support. It is really difficult doing this all alone. My family doesn't even know that I am a lesbian, let alone knowing that my partner is now trans. Which causes alot of anxiety for me when I start thinking about the future. I want more than anything to marry my partner, have kids and live 'happily ever after' but that just seems so damn far away.
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blueconstancy

Indeed, there are no fairy tale endings for people who live in the real world. I say we're happier now than before, and it's true, but it's also true that we still have the cat who barfs everywhere and the car that needs new tires and my wife is thinking about switching jobs and causing more upheaval. :) I like the idea that happy ever after is an *ending,* and who wants their life to end?

Anyway, if either of you has specific questions about the tough parts either, feel free to ask; it's hard sometimes for me to pinpoint exactly what upset me anymore, but I do remember well over a year of hellish stress and depression. (And that year is why I'm still on anti-anxiety medication 3 years later; I think it kicked my anxiety disorder permanently into a higher gear.)

Sonoid : It's dangerous for anyone to assume that someone can't see the comments on a *public* board. I mean, I assume your wife can see this if she wants to - and also trusted that you wouldn't say anything you didn't want her to read. I don't blame her for not having the energy to fight that battle, I guess, but hopefully she will realize how much that hurt you. In any case, the one thing I wish people had said to me back then is something I repeat a lot now : nobody knows your relationship better than YOU, and so long as you believe there is hope, there is. No matter what other people (including me ;) ) tell you.

The way your friends have reacted is horrifying, and heartbreaking. I have noticed this trend over the years, though; the non-trans population assumes divorce is inevitable because who would want to stay married through *that,* the trans community includes people convinced that all spouses leave, and the result is that partners have no support from anyone except the tiny pool of other people who've been through it. That sucks. I hope your friends will eventually accept that you still love your wife, and have no intention of breaking up your family. Frankly, for what it's worth, you *are* coping pretty well. You're doing your best to hold it together, supporting your wife (and she's lucky to have you), and the issues you have yourself are bound to complicate things so you shouldn't feel guilty that you're not shiny perfect about it all. I think what your wife said about their reactions being your fault is unfair and cruel, and that you are wise to say you don't want to destroy your marriage over other people's expectations. With luck they may come around, but it isn't impossible that you might lose people - my mother disowned me, though I'm fine with that - and that's a genuine loss and/or rejection that you're risking for the sake of your wife. She ought to acknowledge that much. We live in a very accepting area, so I can't even imagine how much courage it takes to come out where you are.

I hope you enjoy the class! I hear you about missing school, and it might give you something to focus on that *you* enjoy.

Roxx.i : You absolutely are not alone, even if it feels that way. I also second the suggestion that trying to work through it alone is a mistake; I also did the same, and equally regret it. Sometimes you need someone just to talk things through with. Of course, I TOTALLY understand that feeling that transition is eating your life, too, so I don't want to talk about it too much at you. :) It gets better... but during the early stages of transition, it can definitely take over everything.

Figuring out how to balance her needs with yours and how to look outside the relationship temporarily for the kind of support she used to give you (and probably will again - someday) is incredibly tough. I'm glad you managed to resist the urge to SI after the first few minutes; I found myself backsliding on that one too.  The best thing in that situation - and that was a horribly traumatic message to get when you're too far away to help - might be, unfortunately, to tell her that you love her desperately but you cannot listen right now. Because your choices (and they're both awful choices) are to either try to support her and fall apart yourself, which will ultimately be worse for *her* too, or walk away and try to find other avenues of support to talk about your own terrible day. As Sonoid said, and I've firmly believed for years, "refusing your own oxygen mask" only hurts you BOTH in the long term.  In the short term, of course, it might be scary and painful to admit that you just can't handle this right now. However, from what you've said, your partner is caring and willing to compromise, just doesn't always have the energy to be there for you right now. The good news is that the more progress she makes in transition, the more likely it is that that will free up some of her emotional resources for you.

If it helps, my wife's toughest times were more or less the period your partner is going through now - she knew what she needed and intended to transition, and I knew, but she had made only a few baby steps towards actually beginning the journey. She would come home from work and sob hysterically while ripping off her male clothes. Telling friends helped a little; piercing her ears helped a little; going out to parties as herself helped a little; HRT helped calm her mind if it didn't address the social dysphoria. Once she could go out in public dressed as a woman 100% of the time? Huge difference. Name change ditto. She was fully transitioned in less than a year, and as unbelievably hard as that year was for me, I ended up being grateful she'd moved so fast, because by the time it was over she was almost entirely free of the stress and misery that had made her so often unavailable to me. (And then GRS finally cured her remaining dysphoria.) So it may feel as if you're going to be trapped in this miserable position of having no partner to lean on, with her constantly expecting more than you can give, for the entire duration of transition, but that may not be the case.
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Doctorwho?

Roxx.i OK if I may - I will put my two cents worth into this conversation.

First a quick disclaimer though, which is important so that I am not accused by anyone of misrepresenting myself.

I have been an S.O of a transwoman, but the circumstances were not entirely conventional. Indeed my own background, whilst not classically trans is also unconventional. Thus I post this as someone who defies easy labelling, and probably doesn't fit neatly into any of the categories catered for on this forum. I am also a medical student, training probably for General Practice, but with a special interest in mental health. That all said my opinion is merely my own and cannot be considered in any way authoritative. I am merely a student as yet.

I think the thing that intrigues me is the advice you have been given with regard to your relationship. I know of more than one couple whose relationship has survived the transition of one of them. So I don't think that transition itself is a reason to split up. The factors which ultimately will determine that basically boil down to two things. The question revolves around the sexual orientation of both parties, and the "other" aspects that go to make a rewarding partnership. 

Put simply the first question is do you still find each other attractive, and will you continue to do so if the transition continues to its logical physical conclusion. That is to say are you capable of being attracted to either sex? I was and therefore my relationship faced no issues on the physical plane.



The second question is different, but is still linked to the first. It is, are you going to get enough quality of life and support from the partnership? I said they were linked, because the dynamic of human relationships is not universally the same. I know of people who stay married because they have fantastic sex together, but who live in very self contained and almost independent emotional spaces. I also know of people who almost never make love, but support each other emotionally and psychologically, so tenderly that it becomes almost impossible to think of one living without the other.

Both models are viable.

So ask yourself why are your therapist and friends reacting the way that they are? Well it seems to me that there are two possibilities. The first is, that they have seen fracture lines in the relationship already, and they are trying to prevent you from sailing on blindly unaware of these flaws. Your original post here indicates that you are not that blind. You know precisely what is missing from the situation and you are hoping that things may improve. They may - your analysis does not seem impossible, but I think it is a risk. Clearly at present your needs are not being met.

Self harm is not an uncommon thing in trans people, but may also indicate other co-morbid conditions, and the worry is that sorting out the transition may prove to be only the start of a very long journey towards health and happiness and so the question would have to be how long can you wait?

Your partner may well improve once transition and any surgery desired is done, but by observation I think the timescale involved is one or two years after the date of completion of everything, and then ONLY if there are not other issues to be faced. So the risk here is can you be that patient? You clearly have needs now which are not being met. You can't just just put yourself on hold indefinitely. I submit that the bottom line to that one is that you need to set out some ground rules. You need to see some effort being made now, to at least recognise and address your areas of need.

The other part of this is sexual orientation. If you and your partner are bisexual then there isn't likely to be a problem. However it is a good idea to establish that and not imagine that somehow the physical changes will not play their part.

I think the second problem with well meaning friends (and indeed  sometimes well meaning therapists) is that they are can be insular and narrow in their viewpoint, sometimes without even realising it. Most people never have to address the complexities of this situation, and so they make simplistic assumptions based on myths about the people involved. So for example, even with a therapist, if they have never encountered someone trans, their image of that may tend to be based on the caricatures that they see on the TV chat shows. The trouble is the ones that end up on such shows are often people whose problems go far deeper than simple gender issues.



The only way to deal with such comments is head on. To find a way to essentially say (probably in slightly less brutal words,) "thank you for your concern, but this is an issue between xxx and me, and we would both appreciate it if you would all refrain from making ill informed assumptions about what may happen, keep your mouths firmly shut, cut the gossip, and give us the space and time to work through this."

Finally there is the issue of co-morbidity. Simply put, people with gender issues often do have other problems which go way beyond gender. Sometimes you can only see the tip of the iceberg of issues. So you do need to approach with caution...

What should you do? Unfortunately no one can really tell you that, because none of them is inside your head... So the best advice I can give, is try to weigh it all up, and then follow your own best instincts, but do so with your eyes wide open. Don't bimble off imagining that it will all work out with love and fairy farts. It may, or it may not.

You may hope to succeed, but you must also be prepared to fail! If you do, you have to be able to look back with no regrets, and tell yourself that it was worth trying.

If you can't feel that it would be worth it to try, even if the ultimate end was failure, then you should indeed probably cut your losses now.

Whatever you decide I wish you very good luck.

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Sibila

Quote from: sonoid2 on September 10, 2013, 09:50:39 AM
I'm an SO, too, and I can really relate to what you are saying. I'm sorry that you feel so unsupported right now. I don't think you're being dramatic.

My spouse is deeply depressed and can't seem to think of anything other than transitioning. She responds fairly cruelly when our 7 year old says that he doesn't want her to transition (MtF). I keep saying that I want to find a way to stay in the relationship, but I feel that she just pushes me away. I just do my very best every day to look after my son and spouse.

I often don't feel like she wants me here except as a cleaning service. I was away for two months this summer. She wasn't working, and she admitted to me when I came home this weekend that she had not done one load of laundry all summer. The house smells like urine, so I don't think she has been caring well for the dog. Moldy food is on the kitchen counter, and flies are all over the dirty dishes and food waste. I don't think she put the garbage out all summer, either. The house is a disaster, and just being here, I feel crushed with the weight of my spouse's depression.

I also had a very difficult night last night. I received bad news, and my partner was too self-absorbed to talk with me about it. I tried to explain how hopeless and without options I feel. She just went to sleep (and it was so early that our child wasn't ready for bed yet). I tried to wake my spouse up to talk, but she left the room.

This morning, I tried to tell my spouse what a horrible night I had. I said that I needed her support last night more than ever because my thoughts were very dark. Her response: "You're always upset." A few minutes later, she left for work.

My mental health doesn't feel very stable, even though I feel less desperate right now. I have tried to be supportive, but she always tells me that it isn't enough. I don't know what more she wants. At her request, I just took her clothes shopping and glasses shopping, and we left the store empty-handed because she was too anxious to function. She complained that she was surprised that women's clothes don't fit her well. She refuses to go and pick up an order of makeup and nail polish that I bought online for her as a gift. I talk with her about hair styles that might suit her when she has a wig made. I'm even supportive of the fortune she wants to spend on laser and electrolysis. And yes, I have offered her my sincere support with regards to hormones. She feels that I am holding her back, though, and has said so on the forums here (where she knows I might see her negative comments about me). Others on the forums have suggested that I see her as a possession (like a car?) and just want to control her. Actually, I just want her to consider what it means to the family when she turns our life upside down. She doesn't seem able to see anything outside herself. I know that she has been living in pain and that she couldn't come out to me until now; I understand that. But I don't know how to tell her that my pain and loss are very real, and I feel that she is leaving her old life (wife and child) behind. We can't keep up no matter how we try.

I'm with you - sometimes, it really does all feel too hard to handle. I can only hope you are managing better than I am. When my spouse first came out to me, she asked me not to tell anyone, not even a doctor. That was in April. For months, I didn't talk with anyone because she asked me to keep her secret. I have never felt so alone because even she wouldn't really talk with me. Now a few people from Susan's email me with helpful insights. My first therapy with a professional is later this week (September).

I wish you the strength you need. I think that what I need to learn is kind of like what flight staff say in the safety overview: secure you own oxygen before trying to help anyone else. I have been putting my spouse's needs ahead of my own for months, and I can no longer breathe.

Take care of yourself. I wish you the very best. As you said, tomorrow is a new day.

Oh my god.
This just sounds like abuse. I hope you can find happyness with another man. There are limits to having to be understanding.
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Sibila

Quote from: sonoid2 on September 15, 2013, 08:53:39 AM
Life does feel pretty bleak. However, I also know that she is struggling with a lot and isn't managing well on any level. I want to keep trying. Love is patient, love is kind and all that. I don't want to quit. Also, this situation is tough enough on our child without my adding more upheaval. So it's difficult to know what to do.

Thanks for thinking of me, though. I'm walking a fine line these days, not feeling very balanced.

If she wants to be a woman, she could take you as an example for her... because you worry about the kids first, about your partner first, and you forget about caring for yourself. If your partner really wants to become a woman, she might want to reconsider behaving like a selfish man.

She is the one that should be patient and kind now. You have already been patient and kind enough, thats how I see it.
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Sibila

Hi,

Well I did not say abuse is always deliberatly. It would be way more easy if it was. Of course I can understand your point of view.
I just cant imagine the pain you are going through and i would love to help prevent you from blaming yourself for it.
I really think your partner should take care of you more...Its not just her transition... she is forcing you into a kind of transition
that would make me VERY unhappy as a woman, no matter how much I love him, it would hurt like hell to see the one you love
change like that, into a gender you aren't attracted to, and without considering your feelings about that.
Her transition shatters everything you have hoped for your family, yourself and the two of you, right?
If you do not start taking care of yourself IT WILL damage your family and the kids more, because it seems that your
partner is totally unfit to care about her son and you at the moment. And you are trying to cope with taking antidepressants?
Who would not be depressed????
I dont think you are the problem here.
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roxx.i

Thanks to everyone that has continued to comment on the thread. It's so wonderful hearing from other people.

Sonoid - I hope you are doing okay. I really do hope that you two can work things out because it does sound like you love each other. I know how hard it is though when your partner is transitioning.

There's not much news in my life. We are sort of on hold at the moment - my partner is seeing the doctor and psych in late November so we are hoping for some progress then. But in the meantime it is just a little difficult being in limbo.

The only other thing that's happened really is I've finally organised to see a psychiatrist, as I have not been reviewed for over 5 years. I know it's going to help in the long term but is also incredibly frightening to begin with. I might keep you guys updated if anything somewhat exciting happens.

Keep smiling
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blueconstancy

Sonoid : Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that things degenerated quickly, although you're still doing your best. Unfortunately, one of the "rules" of relationships is that you usually can't salvage it if one partner isn't willing to try. :( So I hope that your wife realizes what she's about to lose and does her best to meet you halfway.  I also second the idea that abusive behavior can exist without someone being "an abuser" - there are a lot of reasons why, and someone being so caught up in a stressful, awful, life-eating situation that temporarily takes over their good sense is one of them. Your choice, such as it is, is to figure out whether you think this really is temporary and if so how long you can stand it. And I'm saying this as someone who was in a similar position (my wife did some pretty terrible things occasionally when dysphoria was wrecking her mind, and certainly I know I had my awful moments as well during the process), so I genuinely do believe that "this will pass and I can stick it out until it does" is a valid and possible answer.  It also may not be a year, and it is up to you whether you need to ask her to slow down, too.

It sounds as if you might need a different psychiatrist, because the advice you're getting is not helpful for you. I won't say it's wrong or unprofessional, but it's not what YOU need (when you go in there saying you want to make this marriage work, telling you to run for the hills is counterproductive to say the least).

The limbo phase is sometimes the hardest, and you may find that getting through that improves things significantly. I certainly hope so.

Roxx.i : Good luck with the appointment!!

Doctorwho : BTW, I certainly can't argue with your personal experience, but mine has been significantly more optimistic : the majority of trans* people I know were doing considerably better once transition was well underway (for their own definitions of that), and it certainly didn't take until all surgeries (...if anyone wanted any) were over before their lives and outlook improved. So the timeline is, unfortunately, undetermined until a particular person goes through it, but for Sonoid's sake (and her wife's!) I hope her wife is on the shorter end of the scale.

A second quibble is that I have seen too many partners get tangled up in the idea that their orientation *has* to change. It does, if a sexual relationship is important to them, have to include their specific partner post-transition. But there are cis lesbians who occasionally sleep with men, and cis straight men who sleep with men, and so on; people are flexible even when labels aren't. Someone doesn't have to redefine as bisexual or gay (or anything at all, really) in order to be willing to remain involved with a SPECIFIC person whom they found attractive before.

I think your advice in general is very good, though, and I have said many similar things in the past.
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roxx.i

I agree with blueconstancy. I have never specifically labelled myself as a lesbian - it is often just easier to say that. If anything, I identify as demisexual (you only feel sexual attraction once a deep intellectual bond is made. non gender specific). But yes, before my partners transition we identified as a lesbian couple. As for my sexuality though, I think that demisexual fits moreso than any other category, because I am pretty much only attracted to my partner. So I guess once she transitions, it shouldn't be an issue. I guess my point is that I am a classic example of how categories don't fit everyone. Yes it is only to be a change when my partner begins identifying as a male, in all aspects of our lives, not just sexual. But I fell in love with her as an individual. I don't believe that her gender matters to me. And I think this goes for alot of the trans* community that were in relationships before their partner decided to transition. I think alot of people probably gets to the point that they have the classic questions of, "what does that make you", "what does that make me", "what does that make us" (in terms of sexuality). I mean, I can't speak for everyone but I guess I've definitely had to work through those questions.

I dunno, I find it all to make interesting conversation I guess. 
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blueconstancy

roxx.i : Amusingly enough, I never had to work through any of that, because we're both bisexual. :) But being ASKED those questions by other people... hoo, boy. Best of all, almost no one who asked actually listened to/believed/remembered my answers; after a couple years, I'm generally assumed to be lesbian now. As I think I said in your other thread, societal perceptions can make you want to tear your hair out, especially in contexts where providing the correct info would be seen as lecturing or TMI.
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