Where are you on the transgender spectrum?

[Stormy Weather]

Post-op. Playing, living, working, 24/7/365 as a woman, mostly stealth...

Sometimes I have to stop and pinch myself that I've got to this stage. This doesn't mean that there are further challenges ahead; just that the real heavy lifting has been done.

Spectrums can be a bit one-dimensional. I'm inclined to think of us all more in a 2 or 3-dimensional space with more axis than just a line, and am recently becoming especially wary of the easy labelling of people into clearly defined categories. We've all been through various stages along the road...

[VeryGnawty]

I'm thither and yon, as they say.  Mostly, I'm a male with some extreme feminine tendencies, which I am attempting to work into my daily life.

It's all about baby steps.

[brina]

Oh my I couldn't resist this thread to see what trouble my thought and views might get me into 
so here it goes.

The Transgender spectrum!

Man ............ CD ..........................................................TV...............Man

The Transexual spectrum!
                                                                                                            Transwoman/Transmen
Man/Woman ....... T acceptance ............ HRT ............ Surgory(s) ............
                                                                                                             Woman/Men

Transexuals DON'T belong in the Transgender Pot plain and simple. While we may have pychological
issues the main issue is that we DO NOT match physically with our mental/emotional selves!

I get really P*ssed when I hear people say Oh yeah I'm a transexual and then say well I can't do
HRT because of ( Lame excuses here ) and I won't or can't have surgory because of ( More Lame excuses here ). Occasionally a real transexual will be in this catagory but I think its very rare indeed!

Byee,
  Brina

[Suzy]

gender play<........................cd..tv.........................>ts.....>Post-op ts
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                                                me

Still working on my identity, and it seems to vary daily. hmmmmmm.

[trdant]

Hi,
I am definitely pre-op ts.  I have been on hormones 3 months now and therapy for about 6 months.

gender play<........................cd..tv.........................>ts..Pre-Op...>Post-op ts

Tricia
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[Melissa]

I get really P*ssed when I hear people say Oh yeah I'm a transexual and then say well I can't do
HRT because of ( Lame excuses here ) and I won't or can't have surgory because of ( More Lame excuses here ). Occasionally a real transexual will be in this catagory but I think its very rare indeed!

How about this:
Oh yeah I'm a transsexual.  Well I can't have surgery because I haven't been in RLT long enough and also haven't saved up enough money yet.   Lame enough excuses?  Of course, when I do meet those requirements, then of course I'll have it.

Honestly though, the whole idea of a specturm is stupid because all it does is engender competition rather than cooperation amongst us.

Melissa

[brina]

Hiee Melissa,

  I chose the word 'LAME' specifically. I'm sorry your feeling in such a Fiesty?? mood. My problem with spectrums comes from being included within the Transgender Spectrum which for the most part appears to be made up of MEN!

Byee,
  Brina

[Melissa]

Oh, it was no criticism to you brina, it was just to the whole idea of the spectrum in the first place (not specifically yours).  As for being a little fiesty, yeah, sometimes I can be >, but that's just me.   It's all in good spirits.

Melissa

[TheBattler]

Hiee Melissa,

  I chose the word 'LAME' specifically. I'm sorry your feeling in such a Fiesty?? mood. My problem with spectrums comes from being included within the Transgender Spectrum which for the most part appears to be made up of MEN!

Byee,
  Brina

I hate Conflict Brina but to write us all of as simple guys does not understand what I have been through this year. I was confused about my gender a few months back - glad I figures out I am not TS. I still do not know why I like to wear skirts and dresses - something that has been with me for the last 25 years. I have tried so many times to get rid of this feeling - it has lead to depression with my cousellor say it is OK to wear my skirts. It is not as simple as being a guy.

We has big discussion a while back about the difference between a TS and a TG person - I do not want to get into that debate again. Neededless to day I think we share more in common then you think.

Alice

[brina]

Hiee Alice,

  First I was not writting anyone OFF. I also am not saying that Transexuals are superior in anyway. I am saying that Transexuals Identify completely differently then the majority of the Transgendered populace if not all. I identify as being a female and have chemically and surgically altered my body to now be female. Within the coming year I will surgically alter my body to resemble a natal female. I live and work as a female daily and have been doing so for some time now. I simply don't think it is proper that I should be included in a group that is comprised primarily of males. I have drawn heat from this in the past from various transgendered usually it seemed crossdressers and ->-bleeped-<-s. Those individuals have always seemed worried about the day when transexuals might NO longer be included within the Transgender Grouping, and I really have to wonder WHY. We are after all a fairly insignificant number amonst ALL transgendered individuals, BUT we also SEEM to be the most VISABLE. Personally I feel there is an ulterior motive why transexuals are wanted to be kept within
the Transgendered community.

Byee,
  Brina

[Melissa]

While I agree that there is a definite separation between TS and TG, I do not agree with grouping separately.  I also don't agree with Taking the T out of GLBT.  My reasons for this are simple.  We are all humans and if people viewed us all as humans with our own uniquenesses, then we wouldn't have the problem of people having trouble accepting us for who we are.  In other words if we were viewed without the context of gender, then there is no reason we should be treated differently than anyone else.  It's kind of the world peace concept, but on a smaller scale.  We need to work together as people and not worry about those miniscule differences if we are to gain acceptance.

Melissa

[Refugee]

Honestly though, the whole idea of a specturm is stupid because all it does is engender competition rather than cooperation amongst us.

Its the TS food chain all over again.  I do think some distinction is different, since the needs of the individuals differ; but in its present form, its only used by us to discriminate against us.  The rest of society has to do little more then let us cannabilize ourselves.

[Dweia]

gender play<........................cd..tv.........................>ts.....>Post-op ts
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                           me

[andy6432668]

I guess I'm a full time tv since I only wear women's clothes full time pants , tops varius styles , bras everything a woman would wear except I don't try to look like one could not pass anyway.

[katia]

primary preop ts, not for so long though, surprises are on the way! 

[katia]

primary preop ts, not for so long though, surprises are on the way! 

Oh really?  is there something you are not telling us? 


tinkerbell

yeahhhhh....there is.

P.S.  Katia, I was also considered by many therapists to be a primary transsexual, but now that I am post-operative; does that make me a primary woman? >

primary ts = primary preop ts = primary postop ts = primary woman

if you're a primary ts, you'll always be primary.

[TheBattler]

Where am I in the transgender spectrum? 

I am not in any TG spectrum anymore.  My life has been like this:



Miserable childhood--------------Teen years, even more miserable-----------------------Early twenties, pre-op TS----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------post-opEnd of the TG Spectrum and beginning of womanhood----------------------------infinity
                                                                            ^                                
                                                                            ME                              


So there!


tinkerbell

Tinkerbell - a Wonderfull Lady. An Inspriation to every TG Person

I am so glad to learn that people can do away with the TG spectrim - that GID does go away. I wish I was close to that.

Alice

[BeverlyAnn]

I simply don't think it is proper that I should be included in a group that is comprised primarily of males. I have drawn heat from this in the past from various transgendered usually it seemed crossdressers and ->-bleeped-<-s. Those individuals have always seemed worried about the day when transexuals might NO longer be included within the Transgender Grouping, and I really have to wonder WHY. We are after all a fairly insignificant number amonst ALL transgendered individuals, BUT we also SEEM to be the most VISABLE. Personally I feel there is an ulterior motive why transexuals are wanted to be kept within
the Transgendered community.

Brina, so by your logic, as someone who spends the majority of my life in male mode I should not have bothered sending an e-mail to the Largo City Commission in support of City Manager Susan Stanton being fired for transtioning, should not have bothered sending a letter to the pastor of the church in Largo that said, "If Jesus was in this room tonight, He would want him (Stanton) fired," nor should I send what meager support I can to the National Center for Transgender Equality since most of the work they do is really for transexuals?  After all, as a "fairly insignificant number," I'm sure any type of lobbying you do will carry a lot more weight than from a larger group.  I'm glad to know I shouldn't bother supporting supporting TS's when they need it as it will save me a little time and money.

Beverly

[Reana]

gender play<........................cd..tv.........................>ts.....>Post-op ts
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   I'm probably just to the right of center but to use a simple scale such as this is an over simplication as applies to most of us.  Everyone has their own specific story, motivation, and desires.    Reana[/b][/i][/color]

[ChildOfTheLight]

I don't fit anywhere on this scale, as far as I can tell.  I consider myself an androgyne.  I dress however I feel like, whether that means wearing flowing skirts, baggy cargo pants, or anything else.  That's not "gender play" to me, that's just living.  I don't crossdress -- to me crossdressing means wearing clothes in such a way as to imitate the opposite sex.  I don't do that.  I don't plan to do anything to my body that would put me on the transsexual end of the scale, and I have no idea what differentiates "->-bleeped-<-" from "crossdresser" other than that one was made up by an early psychologist because it was in Latin and so sounded more scientific.