Quote from: Shantel on October 31, 2013, 09:53:53 AM
Unfortunately there are a number of factors that can't be blamed on any one party, probably one of the biggest is the fact that due to over regulation by the EPA and trade pacts creating a global economy a vast number of large manufacturers have moved their plants and jobs overseas in order to remain profitable. Those great profits recorded by the wizards at Wall Street are made outside the country and don't directly benefit the average person with no investments.
Without the EPA and regulations our country would be like China. They are there to protect Americans and it is mostly greed that has drove company's overseas for cheap labor and No benefits.
Many company's setup a ghost office overseas just to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.
Hopefully in the near future this will change and we should tax them accordingly.
Quote from: Shantel on October 31, 2013, 09:53:53 AMMeanwhile all of the debt created under all of the US Presidents through GWB's administration combined don't even come close to matching what has been spent thus far by the Obama Administration alone.
"The truth is that the nearly 18 percent spike in spending in fiscal 2009 — for which the president is sometimes blamed entirely — was mostly due to appropriations and policies that were already in place when Obama took office."
"Ordinarily, an incoming president has little or no influence over spending that was approved under his predecessor. So in normal circumstances, all spending for fiscal year 2009 would have been rightly tied to Bush, and fiscal 2010 would be the first year for which Obama would have prepared a budget and signed the major spending bills. And for the most part, big spending programs that require no yearly appropriations, including Social Security and Medicare, did indeed continue to operate during fiscal 2009 under the policies in effect under Bush."
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/Most repubs conveniently avoid telling the real truth and they are masters of propaganda.
Quote from: Shantel on October 31, 2013, 09:53:53 AMThat being said, what is truly exacerbating the financial problems here and now is the misguided idea that somehow the government can spend our way out of this morass at the taxpayer's expense for many generations to come. The government does not create wealth and only spends it. These are immutable facts that cannot be argued away. So the probability of a national healthcare program becoming viable at this time is out of the question and most likely won't come to pass. Meanwhile it is sad to continue to read the polemic rants and shrill arguments going on here when in reality nothing good can come of it other than the same disunity and hatred we see in congress.
The same thing was basically said about Medicaid when the Demo's passed that. Many conservatives felt it was a socialist program but look how many people depend on it now.
The hatred was already in congress when McConell said he would do aeverything in his power to see that O'Bama would not get a second term (so much for that?) I truly believe many are in fact racist since they hate O'bama so much.
One thing is certain, not all repubs are racist but the ones that are mostly belong to the republican party.
One last thing, it is obvious we will never agree on anything so I leaving this topic for good. You repubs can argue over O'BamaCare all you want to. Bye.
