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Started by cecile1973, October 09, 2013, 09:44:42 PM

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cecile1973

I'm very new to the boards and your stories are amazing and it inspires me to ask for support.  My husband introduced me to this site but I've just had
my head in the sand for so long thinking if I ignored the situation it would go away but now it's time to wake up!  I've known about the "dressing up" for years. I asked him if he still wanted to live as a man  we got married and he said yes--i wouldn't have married him if he had said otherwise.  But recent events and recent conversations have told me otherwise.  He is really conflicted.  I mean REALLY!!!  I am really angry about this.  He says he is not a cross dresser (like he said before) but he is transgender.  This word really worries me.  We have been married 14 years and have 2 kids.  I wanted to grow to be 90 years old with him and now I'm afraid my future is totally changing.  He says he is tired of fighting his feelings and wants to feel free to be himself whenever it is OK (he hasn't come out to anyone) but now it is ALL that he does and all that we talk about when the kids are in school.  I am feeling so pressured I was actually physically ill this past weekend.  Where do I go from here?
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Jessica Merriman

First, take a deep breath! Calm down and get a cup of tea. Second, I know this is scary, but there are a lot of good, caring, educated and honest people here who will help and guide you in this new chapter of your life with your husband. To start I believe he loves you very much to tell you the truth about how he feels. It is scary to admit gender dysphoria to other people and to yourself as well. What is going to occur is a long process which requires patience, understanding and education. People who have gender dysphoria usually fight it until the last possible moment before taking action as it is a life altering event for everyone from family, friends and employers. What you need to understand is it is a constant battle of the sexes in one persons mind. It wears you out with contradictory feelings 24 hours a day. Add this to family and work stress and everyday life it eventually hits a sort of critical mass. Sounds like that is the point your situation is. It culminates in feelings of guilt or letting people down. The dysphoria is not about sexual preference usually, but chemical and physical changes in the brain which can be present since birth. Born a male I knew at age 7 I had the brain of a female. This battle plagued me for 40 years. I started HRT at age 47 which shows this never goes away until treated. I will leave it here for now. Please feel free to PM me with specific questions and we will go from there. I am glad you are asking and becoming educated about gender dysphoria and look forward to helping where I can. There are a lot of good people who will help you out and treat you with respect. If I cannot answer specific questions I will find answer for you somewhere. Just remember to relax and we will take this slow and easy. Take care.
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blueconstancy

A lot depends on where *he* wants to go from here, unfortunately. For now... as hard as this is, try not to panic. It IS possible to remain married through a transition, and it absolutely is possible to find at the end of it that your spouse is the same person in different packaging. But "the end of it" isn't really what matters to you now.

Deep breaths, talk to him about what he wants to do next, and see if you can cope with that. (I'm giving you advice I wish I'd taken, mind you, so I'm a bit of a hypocrite here.) Try not to worry about next year, or even next week. Focus on whatever changes he hopes to make right now, and how you feel about those. It's also OK to ask him for some time off from talking about all this stuff; you're more likely to be able to deal if you take breaks when you're feeling totally overwhelmed by the "all trans, all the time" conversation.

It is also OK to decide that you cannot do this. You wouldn't have married him if he'd answered that question differently, after all. Only you can decide whether 14 years and 2 kids means you're too entangled now to walk away.

My wife transitioned four years ago. I had to spend a lot of time - and emotional energy - grieving the future I thought we had together, and that was tough. We're still happily married now, and I'm still delighted to be with her. But it's going to be a *different* future in a lot of ways, and even if it's ultimately a better one (can't know yet), there's the loss and pain associated with giving up the other dreams. That, too, is normal and fine.

*sympathy*
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Doctorwho?

I can't answer a lot of your questions, so let me just confine myself to trying to address one question which you tacitly raise, namely why he answered as he did, and why he is so very conflicted now.

Someone wise said "life is what happens while we are busy making other plans". It's understandable to feel disorientated when there is a sudden change in our circumstances, but the truth is, good and bad, changes happen, a lot more than we like to admit.

A lot of honesty about your respective needs, hopes, and fears, and compassion for each other is your only constructive way forward.

Anger is understandable, and natural, but please, try not to get into blame or recrimination, because it won't help either of you. People often do things with the best of intentions which later turn out to have been mistaken. I'm sure he didn't deliberately deceive you, but unfortunately before one can tell the truth to another, we have to admit it to ourselves.

Let me give you an analogy from my own life.

Becoming a doctor isn't an unusual thing, but even so it took me several decades to admit to myself that I did want to do it. When I left school everyone told me that it was what I should do. I didn't think I wanted to because the truth is I was scared: scared to fail, scared of seeing things like blood and guts, scared of having to deal with people who were frightened and stressed, scared to have that much responsibility... So I told myself, and anyone who would listen, that I had no interest in medicine, and tried to be happy with becoming an engineer.

It was a lie: A lie demonstrated almost daily by my reading of medical journals and books. A lie, none the less, that took a full thirty years for me to admit, with result that I am only now very belatedly at medical school, and finding that I CAN do all the things I was so frightened of, and what is more, that being a medic is the best thing I have ever done.

Now yours is a different situation. Even so I hope you can see the point which is that I didn't deliberately deceive all the people who I told that, "hell will freeze over before I study medicine," I was just young, and I didn't understand myself very well. For him it will be much worse because not only is he having to come to terms with having been wrong about himself all this time, but he is also doing something which is a bit more unusual than merely being a medical student.

So my advice is to start by trying to find someone professional, probably a doctor or counseling professional, who can help you process the anger and start to see what you need to do for yourself. It's really understandable to feel angry and confused, but the answer is not to feel guilty about it, or bury your head in the sand, or try to figure out who was to blame, because if you do any of those it won't all go away. Indeed the anger will drive the situation in a negative direction, further clouding your own perceptions of what you want to do next. 

The reason it needs to be a counsellor or a medical professional of some sort, and not just a friend, is that they are trained to be detached and objective and to avoid unhelpful things like blame and simplistic solutions.

Finally I just want to say that you should pat yourself on the back for having taken the most difficult step of all - namely to admit that you have a problem. The road to healing starts right there. I wish you good luck upon it.
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genderhell

Quote from: cecile1973 on October 09, 2013, 09:44:42 PM
I wanted to grow to be 90 years old with him and now I'm afraid my future is totally changing. 

Read this about a trans woman who stayed in her marriage, and never learned who she is.
This is perhaps the most tragic thing I have ever heard happen to someone.

http://www.sarabecker.com/t/Regrets.htm
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Felice Aislin

My spouse and I are about the same number of years married, kids as well.  I had no idea until recently...my spouse felt so scared of this they have hidden it, even from themselves in many ways, successfully their entire life.  A person is given every reason from the time they are little to repress this part of themselves as much as possible; it's not exactly easy for a person to really figure all this out or see what's coming down the road when that's the case.  I think what others have said about the reasons your spouse is now saying something different than before are wise.  I would bet that your spouse loves you more than anything and would never put you through anything that would hurt you if they could help it.  Just remember that through all of this.  It is too easy to get caught in the trap of bitterness, thinking they are "doing this" to us, when they are coping the best they know how with being born a way they never chose.  They are no more "doing this" to us than if they needed treatment for cancer, and truly understanding this will help avoid a lot of poisonous hurt and bitterness.  You are doing the right thing by learning more and searching for support and resources!  This can feel so lonely and scary at first, but listen to what the others have written...take a deep breath and know others have got your hand.

It required some major shifts in my thinking, but now I am at a point where I still look forward, more than ever, to holding my spouse's hand when we're old and wrinkled.  That may be the case for you, or you may each find some other path, but your path will be less rocky if you can get the understanding and help you both need to avoid hurt and bitterness.

Great advice people have given so far.  Along the lines of asking for a break about talking about it... my spouse and I plan time set aside to live and enjoy the other things in life...kinda "date" break time to think about other things, watching a show together, take a walk, talking about things the kids said, hold hands, reaffirm our love for each other, fold laundry and talk about the weather ;) , time to just relax and focus on other things, without this topic to worry on.  We need our time to talk about all of this, too, so it's important it doesn't become an endlessly avoided subject; just make sure that you plan a balance. 

Hugs to you,

Felice
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Stretch81

You are not alone and I can relate to your situation. However, I probably have little to offer you in terms of advice. Except one thing. My husband came up with the idea of taking a Trans Break...as in it doesn't have to be the topic of every conversation, every day. The truth is, we have no idea what the future holds, and it is totally overwhelming to go over all of the different outcomes. He has recommended other things, too, like me speaking with his therapist. I am not ready for this...and in my current condition, I would have a lot to say that I would totally regret later, both as a person and a health professional.

There is no certain path right now. I wish you the best of luck. And again, you are NOT alone.
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Felice Aislin

Stretch81, sometimes when you "have a lot to say that you would totally regret later," that is the perfect time to talk to a therapist (in confidentiality, not with your spouse present.)  Admitting your emotions and having a safe place to talk them out is an important first step towards working through them, even if you are not yet ready to move beyond them.  That is exactly what a therapist is for.  It does not reflect badly on you.  It is o.k. to have the feelings you have, even if you don't like them...you need to be allowed to be a real person too, with real feelings...and you obviously don't want to hurt your spouse with your feelings, so talking with a therapist can be the perfect place to meet your needs.  In fact, allowing yourself to admit and recognize your feelings is considered a vital and important part of a healthy process...those who try to skip over this step in what is called a "flight into health," by denying or suppressing their negative emotions, miss out on a chance to truly deal with them.

I'm sure you know these things as a health professional, but sometimes it is hard to allow ourselves to be human, too.

((Hugs)) and best wishes to you.
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Stretch81

Hi Felice:

I did see a therapist last week. I am not ready to see HIS therapist at this point. Right now, I think it is important to have separate...treatment programs since my underlying issue is not my husband being trans and his issue is not his wife being an emotional wreck. Maybe, down the road, I would be willing to meet his therapist since she deals with "our" issue. It just seems a bit too much for right now.

You do have very wise advice. Suppressing emotions is unhealthy...and they never go away, just get worse. Unfortunately, in a moment of weakness, I let my spouse know what "I really thought". It wasn't pretty and wish I would have waited. BUT, at least it's out there. And most of it wasn't all bad...just fear of what "could" happen. Again, it is on the back burner for now and he was honest about his plan, so at least I have a head's up.
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Jamie D

I'm not sure if this will be of much help to all you ladies, but there is a British study, updated in 2011, that states:

"Gender variant people present for treatment at any age. The median age is 42."

Also, in the study, the prevalence of male-to-female transsexuals, to female-to-male transsexuals, was about 4:1.  It has been my experience that for many "males" who grew up in the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's, there just was not the information based available that there is today.  I personally struggled, even seeing a psychiatrist when I was in college, just to be told that my "bisexuality" was nothing to worry about.  It wasn't bisexuality, it was gender dysphoria, but I would not understand that for another 30 years, one wife and four kids later.

Even into the 1990's, the "information age" was just dawning.  My wife and I (married 1983) maintain our relationship, and I have been able to cope with the dysphoria, but it is becoming increasingly difficult trying to play the role of husband and father - not for lack of love for my family, but because I am being torn apart emotionally.

You have every right to be angry and confused.  For those who have never suffered (and it is, indeed, suffering) from the feeling and experience that they are not "right," and that their gender identity does not match their biological sex or society's gender expectations, the concept is difficult to tackle.  It is for us (TG/TS) too.  Many of us have tried as hard as we can to live up to the expectations, and have done so for years.  But there are times when I just wish I were dead to the world, as I feel so ashamed.

I hope this has helped a little bit, understanding how your spouse feels.
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Felice Aislin

Thank you, Jamie, for sharing that. 

I pointed out the study quote to my spouse, about the median age, and we're both interested in the study, if you could let us know where we can find it.  :)
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Felice Aislin

Stretch81, thanks for your sweet response.  I'm glad to hear you both have councilors to help you with *everything* you may be dealing with.
<Love>
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Jamie D

Quote from: Felice Aislin on November 04, 2013, 12:30:06 AM
Thank you, Jamie, for sharing that. 

I pointed out the study quote to my spouse, about the median age, and we're both interested in the study, if you could let us know where we can find it.  :)

At your service.  This is the link to the 2011 update notice.  The earlier version might also be accessible from the site.

http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Research-Assets/Prevalence2011.pdf
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Chaos

I transitioned with a partner that was cold and didnt care if i lived or died,more or less if i transitioned but i felt a good example was in order

Its like being 9 months pregnant/after birth.Hormones are raging and fears kick in.Things like *can i do this? will i have help? what if something bad happens?* and over time it starts to weigh you down.Needing some form of support,a woman will look to their love for comfort.To help set their fears to rest *we will do just fine.We are strong and i am right here beside you* and her fears are set at ease,at least till the fears again.She cries from breaking down,the smallest of words and pain-leave her heart on her sleeze and its during this time that she needs someone to trust over ALL others but here is the hardest part.After birth or aka postpartum depression.The feeling of nothingness,no want or need,the overhwhelming feeling of wanting the suffering to stop,being burdened down with everything and everyone around you.Even the babies cry is nearly enough to drive the woman to suicide.The crying for responsibility,the things we cant escape.

Put them both together (during and post) and you see a transperson.And some live with such things for over 40 or longer years.while having NO support,no comfort,and even the opposite,even some being disowned,told to go kill their selves-because its easier then dealing with them.All i can say is,understanding goes a LONG way.
All Thing's Come With A Price...
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Felice Aislin

Julia,

I'm really touched by your and your spouse's words; you and your spouse must both be some pretty special, wonderful individuals, and please let her know I would love to get to know her better, and will try to do better at being a support and listening ear.  I feel a little bad, because I probably should have given her more affirmation.  She took a very brave step in the post she made.  For a spouse dealing with the the emotions she is going through, it shows a good heart and open mind to reach out and seek help on this site the way she did.  With the understandably difficult feelings and anger and stress she is going through...she needs someone who understands being in that place, to say, "I know, I've been there too, you have a lot on your shoulders; let me wrap my arm around you, while you tell me all about it, I'll be a listening ear, let you know you are not alone and help you find the stepping stones that helped me along my path."  She certainly did not need to be given the message that her feelings were invalid or that she should feel bad about having them, which I'm afraid might have been the unintended emotional message she might have felt from my first reply. 
While it is very true that understanding on both a deep emotional level and intellectual level what it has meant/means for my spouse to be transgender, has been crucial for helping me respond to our situation in a positive way; one cannot get to that place of emotional empathy and understanding when they have not been able to process any understandable fear, (and the resulting hurt and anger.)  When you feel threatened, it is almost impossible to have a sense of empathy or compassion for what you feel threatened by.   
I was very fortunate to have been able to develop my understanding before I felt any or much personal fear or threat of my life being turned upside down.*  I feel inordinately lucky to have escaped that emotional mine field, but I have had small tastes of what that would have been like, and know that chance could have made my experience very different.  I feel a lot of compassion for those who have not been as fortunate, and admiration for those who have walked that hard emotional road with grace, trying to balance fear, hurt, loss, confusion, grief and uncertainty, with their love and care for their spouse.

I had numerous things prepare me for understanding and hope, instead of fear, all before I had even the slightest inkling my spouse had any gender issues; that this would be a challenge we would face together in my life.  It is so much easier when everything is in the realm of theoretical and fear is removed, to explore ideas and gain new understanding and flexibility. 

*(Many of the other couples I have run into who have happily stayed together, it seems the spouse has been given this "safe space" and time where they don't feel too scared that they are losing control of their life, a place to come to understanding while NOT under much pressure or fear.  Sometimes circumstances afford this, and when they do, it can be a real gift to a relationship.  But that means the transgender individual has to be in a place where they can wait (and showing the sort of selfless love and care for their spouse that you seem to have, Julia), and their spouse must be self motivated to learn, to understand the needs and experiences of their transgender loved one, to eventually come to choose for themselves out of love and concern for the well being of their spouse, and a deep understanding of their needs, to try to envision their future in new ways; ways that they can make a happy, hopeful future together that meets everyone's needs.)

I would like to say to cecile1973, first, a big hug to you.  Second, your feelings are completely understandable, and don't for a second feel bad about yourself for having them.  Being open about them to others in a positive support setting is an important and brave step in the right direction.  I admire you, and just want to give you a hug!

You need to hear about others who have been there and truly get what you are going through.  You need to be able to express your own difficulties and emotions.

I know for me, that also hearing about others in my shoes that had positive experiences, helped open my eyes to new possibilities, and gave me permission to have more positive feelings myself.  It was like, "Oh...that's an option to understand things that way and feel that way?"  But we need to hear about those things without feeling like the feelings we currently are experiencing are being invalidated, trivialized, misunderstood, dismissed, or that we are being condemned for them.  It is a process of respect for yourself first, and understanding your own emotions, that lets you move in a positive direction.

I recently was given advice from someone else, and others here have said the same thing; when facing something so big, it is more manageable to take it one small piece at a time.

I hope you will find supportive and helpful hands here to help you, and that I can be one such friend.

Love to both of you,

Felice
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Felice Aislin

And....on a different note  :), my spouse and I have been reviewing the GIRES site over the last few days, and are very impressed with it, also!  It is hard to find resources we would feel comfortable passing along to family to help them understand, but this is one that may just fit the bill.  Thank you, Jamie!!  If you have any other such treasures to pass along, please do.   ;)
If nothing specific comes to mind, or too much to know where to start, don't worry.  I'm sure we'll find everything with time as we search the boards and elsewhere, and devour any info. we come across.  :)  I have to say it is so nice to come across so many kind, helpful, delightful people here on the forums of Susan's Place.

The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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blueconstancy

Felice : I just wanted to say you're brilliant. :) Especially the bits about giving a spouse space and time and taking it a small piece at a time if possible; I'm fairly sure the experience would have been less hellish for me if less of my life had been turned upside down all at once.
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Felice Aislin

Blueconstancy, thanks.  :)  That's very sweet of you (you're compliment.)  :icon_blowme:
I think it can really make a difference, and I hope it is something that can help someone's experience go more smoothly.  Though I sadly also need to state that I recognize it is not always a possibility in every situation.  I certainly understand that sometimes the timescales that both the trans individual and their partner need, respectively, just aren't the same.  I am really reluctant in even suggesting that a trans individual wait for someone else's support, because they may never get it in some circumstances, and sometimes that individual needs to proceed for their well being and even survival.  And sometimes those closest to them will never come to understand if given the option of ignoring it.  But, sometimes when the stars align right, you may have a situation where this sort of gift to a relationship can happen when both parties are able to give what is needed to grow and travel the distance together.  :)
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Felice Aislin

Julia, thank you.  I completely understand.  We'll be here.  :)
The love of my life is the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and it took extraordinary bravery for her to give me the privilege and joy of getting to know this about her
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Katie

#19
Ask your heart what is likely to happen and be realistic......... Thereafter you need to plan accordingly.   


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