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My boyfriend (FTM) has been cheating on me with men. ***help***

Started by Heartbroken, October 21, 2013, 11:57:56 AM

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Heartbroken

Hello all. I am new to this board and I truly wish I came upon it under better circumstances but that is not the case. I'm here for advise from other transmen and/or SOs of transmen. First off let me state that I found out my boyfriend has been having sex with men (5 that he's admitted to) since we got together. After we moved in together he had sex with those men in my house and on my bed without protection. But first, a little about me. I'm a pansexual cis gendered female. My boyfriend and I met while we were both in relationships. We were just friends for a year but I was always attracted to him from the moment I met him. I've only ever known him as male. One day we crossed paths and with both of us being single we were finally able to act upon our feelings for each other. From our first date I have loved him. I know that seems idealistic and overly romantic but it's the truth. I knew in my heart that he was it for me. What I thought was a great relationship has recently been shattered by my discovery that he has been posting on CL looking for anonymous sex with men. He would have them come over, they would have unprotected sex (including these men finishing inside him) then leave. A few guys he would have sex with regularly. He has estimated that he's had sex with men in my house about 15 times in a 2 month span. One day while with one of these men he decided that he didn't want to do the things they did in the past and they guy wouldn't let that happen. He was held down and this disgusting guy raped him. Since then my boyfriend has said he hasn't had sex with anyone else but he was still posting on CL every day he was home alone. First I found the CL posts. He admitted to them but said he never had sex. Then I found more evidence then he said it was 3 guys and he was always safe. And yet again I found even more info and he finally admitted to all the unprotected sex. He always said he was BI and I was fine with that. But now he has put my life and safety in danger. He said that even though after 2 years of posting and having random sex wih men that he doesn't really like it. That every time he hoped he would like it being as he thinks about it so much. He said he never climaxed with any of them. He said that he doesn't need sex with men. Since full discovery he has tried to stay with me and agrees to everything I need. He replaced the mattress since I couldn't sleep on it. He used his surgery money. I'm so confused. I feel as though it is ok to be bi and to like sex with men but he continuously put himself and me in danger for something he supposedly doesn't enjoy. How can I believe that? How can I believe that he loves me when he didn't care if he gave me a disease? I have all his email/FB/and phone records. He has been on testosterone for 3 years so this behavior has only been since starting T. He says he did it because it was easy attention. The other thing is that he's never had a relationship with a man. He's always been in relationships with women. I don't know what to do or think. I know he has had a sexually abusive childhood perpetrated by men. Is this why he has done this? Or is it really that he is gay and is in full denial of it? Our sex life has been amazing, well at least to me, from day 1. He says he's felt most comfortable with me. In the beginning he wouldn't take off his shirt during sex but he eventually felt comfortable enough. Then I found out when he was with all those men, they would ask him to take off his shirt and he just would because they asked. Urgh I'm sorry for rambling but I'm so very lost and don't know what to do or think. Any and all advise will be much appreciated.
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LordKAT

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ttim0324

If he was a biological male and you found out he was having homosexual sex with other men because he liked the attention (and still claimed to not be gay) would you or wouldnt you dump him? I think the answer is pretty obvious.
Unfortunately I've met a quite a few ftm's who try to justify that same type behavior with things like the fact that they're not cis males, or their t dose is too high, or they're just confused; and the truth of the matter is it's just a bunch of bullsh*t. This person is disrespecting you and your home while simultaneously putting your health at risk and he does not care. Please do yourself a favor and eject this punk from your life immediately. You'll find better sex somewhere else, you'll find cuter guys, you'll fall in love again--and hopefully it wont be with someone with such sociopathic behavior.
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~RoadToTrista~

Ugh, I try not to tell other people who they should dump (unless they're mean); Most people are good people in spite of their flaws, and I don't know anything about your BF other than what you typed for me to judge.

That said, I agree with them, if you're not okay with this then don't brush off this sort of thing. Get serious and find someone who will give your relationship some friggin respect. At least don't just passively forgive him all the time, what he's doing is wrong and you deserve better.
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Adam (birkin)

I've read this twice throughout the day and thought about what I want to say...

First off, I can't tell you how sad I feel for you. I can only imagine all the different emotions that you're experiencing at the moment. But I can tell you some major red flags I see here:

1. He lied to you not just in having sex with men - he told lies repeatedly to minimize it (that there was no sex, then that the sex was safe, then that there were less men than he said...). Honestly, how do you know you can take what he says as true when he says that he didn't enjoy it, that he doesn't need it? imo, he has no right to any of your trust, because he couldn't own up even when confronted multiple times - you had to dig, dig, and dig to get at the truth. That's not OK.

2. Something I was just talking with someone about today - often, a lack of disrespect for others shows a deep lack of respect for self, which is very evident in this guy's behaviour. I think he has something more going on besides the desire to have sex with these guys. The fact that he didn't feel the need to protect not just your, but his body, from disease is concerning. The fact that he was not comfortable taking off his shirt with the woman he is with, but will take it off to make some random dude happy - this isn't about you, this says volumes about his self image and worth. That he continued (even just browsing CL) after he was raped. Clearly, he has something going on inside himself, and I imagine a deep level of self-worth issues.

But that brings me to my last point.

3. It doesn't matter why. It doesn't matter if he is in denial about being gay. It doesn't matter if he did it because of the abuse. It doesn't matter if he's confused or whatever. It doesn't change the fact that he lied to you about the behaviour, put your health and possibly your life at risk, and didn't consider how this would make you feel, both short-term and long-term.
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Heartbroken

I know that he has some serious self worth issues. I know that what he has done is just awful. I know that I've been constantly disrespected. So then why do I still feel compassion and love for him? Is someone who can not find their own self worth any less deserving of love? With help whether it be therapy, or meds, can he not change how he feels about himself? What does the love I still hold for him just a figment of my imagination? What kind of person would I be if I stayed and tried to work this out? Does that mean I have no respect for myself? Can be ever love himself? In response to some of the posts. I do not believe I would feel any different if he was a cismale. He has said since the beginning that he identified and BI and/or heteroflexible yet he has lied to me numerous times saying that he doesn't like male sexual energy. I don't know what I believe anymore. Maybe I'm just holdin on to the life I thought we had. I want to show him the compassion he has never been shown. Can and does testosterone change someone so greatly or have all these issues been here and just magnified by the transition? He says that since he feels more comfortable in his body he has been more willin to experiment sexually. I can understand that. And I we was honest with me we could have explored that together. I think the one red flag that I can not ignore is putting my life in danger. I know he has issues with himself, and people do destructive things to themselves all the time. People who smoke, drink, over eat.  They know its bad for them but they still do it. I can't shake the fact that he had no regard for my safety. There was no compassion, no caring, no thought about me. Is that who he is? Is that his character or is it a symptom of being self destructive?
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Adam (birkin)

I don't think your compassion is misplaced, at all. In fact, I think it shows that you've developed greatly as a person - even though you are hurt badly by someone, you are able to understand that they are acting out of their own pain and struggles, and that it isn't really about you as much as it is about them.

But you have to have equal compassion for yourself. If you stayed, you wouldn't be a bad person by any means - you'd be a kind woman who had nothing but the best intentions. But, you would still be that same woman, with the same good intentions and character, if you did leave. The question is, what is best for you? What do you think you deserve? Is it what he has done? He is no less deserving of love for his own self-worth issues, but that isn't the problem, as I see it. The problem is how he chose to respond to those issues. He had a million paths he could take to deal with these issues, and he chose ones that were destructive to himself, to you, and to the integrity of your relationship. It's not about testosterone, it's not about transition, otherwise all trans men would be doing the same stuff. Many of us have low self-worth and have been abused. Many cis women have too! And some do choose the activities that your boyfriend has. Some don't. I don't think he is a bad person, and I doubt he meant to hurt you...but he has made bad choices. And choices come with consequences. The consequence may be that the woman he loves feels she deserves better, and in my opinion, you do.

To give you an idea of where I'm coming from, my girlfriend of 3 years left me a couple of years ago because of my self-loathing. I didn't go to the extent of cheating, but that's not important. What's important is that my actions, and sometimes lack of actions, left her hurt and feeling like I didn't have any regard for her. When she left, I cried, I was angry, I would call her up and accuse her of never having loved me...but she stuck by her guns because she knew she needed something I couldn't give her at the time. We'd go long periods with no contact. In time, I came to realize that she really did love me, even when she left me - and that leaving me must have hurt her so much. She often felt guilty because she felt like she was abandoning me when I needed love the most. But she knew she had to do it for her, because in her words, she was becoming the type of woman she always swore she'd never be - in the relationship she always told herself she'd never have. It took me a long, long time to really understand, but it wasn't all about me. I have come to respect her strength and conviction. I have also come to respect myself. Because I realized that my self-destruction didn't just hurt me, it hurt the people I love, and I needed to decide what was more important to me - my demons, or the people I care for? I went to a counsellor, I started to be honest with her (my counsellor) and myself, and I began to grow into a happier and stronger man too. Did it hurt us both? Yes. But not as much as it would have long-term if we stayed together. And rather than continue to break ourselves down in something that stopped working, we have both grown as people. We're still not together, and the chances of that happening are next to none. And sometimes it still hurts to know that my issues led to this, but I also know, that was the sacrifice I made for choosing to ignore my problems. In essence, I really did prioritize entertaining my demons over those that I care for. I have to live with that, but it pushes me every day to try and be a better man, to others and to myself.

I'm not saying you have to leave him, lol, it's certainly not my place! But I am saying, I really strongly advocate that you stick by your guns. You can hold compassion for him without losing your compassion for yourself. He may have been dealt a tough hand, but that doesn't make the world stop turning, it doesn't negate your needs, and when we are dealt tough hands, it is ultimately up to us to take it on. You deserve love too! And you deserve a man who can give you the things you need, and who cherishes you. If you stay, you need to change the conditions of your relationship. He would need to earn your trust again. He'd have to be willing to be honest not just about what he's doing, but about himself, his feelings, and he'd have to be willing to not just ignore his issues for your sake, but to work on addressing them, probably with a professional.
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