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Started by kathyk, October 24, 2013, 01:34:33 AM

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kathyk

I was up late cleaning the house because my wife is coming in tomorrow night.  And I was watching something on tv that peaked my interest.  But if this post needs to be deleted by a moderator please do so.  I have no objections to such an action.

I'm only posting this because marijuana has been legalized for medical use, and decriminalized for recreational use in some parts of the US.  Let me be clear, I do not smoke anymore.  And since I got married there's been far more important things to worry about.  But I'll admit I've lit up a few random joints over the years, and used some medical stock, but not much.  However, now that I'm on HRT I wouldn't want to do anything to inhibit my transition. 

So..... Someone offered to give me some smoke a couple days ago and I turned it down.  But It was hard to do.  40 years ago I found that smoking an adequate amount of marijuana gave me an incredibly tactile  sense of my femininity.  All I'd have to do is lightly rub my fingers over my skin and the woman inside would respond.  It's wasn't just a sensation because it was totally consuming, and in those hours after smoking my senses were fully and completely those of a woman.  I have absolutely no idea why this happens, or if it's a common occurrence with any other transgender women.  I'm aware that THC acutely interferes with estrogen and testosterone receptors, and as a result it lowers the effectiveness of HRT.  So I had no problem pushing aside the free offer.  I guess my transition to honest womanhood is worth more to me than one night of ... whatever. 

I haven't smoked in a long time, so these  might sound like ridiculous questions.  But, am I the only one who has had this experience?  And if it's common, has it ever been studied in the trans community?  I'm curious because I just saw a video about marijuana and how it effects out thought processes.  Plus I smoked almost every day 40 years ago in college, and it was generally for one reason, "to feel more like a woman" (even if it only lasted for a few hours).  Kind'a sad isn't it.   ???

Anyway, I'd like to know since there may be some other medical links between our thoughts and what we are able to physically feel.  And yes, I know this is a little stupid, but I'm bored, it's late and I'm tired.     

Good night.  K





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Dee

I know whenever I smoke, everything just feels more tactile in general.  But I did notice what you're talking about a bit earlier in transition, it was like I was allowing myself to engulf in whatever sense of femininity I was feeling.  Or to just fully swing in that direction (had been going back and forth, due to work).  Now, it just feels nice, and couldn't put a gender-specific reaction to it if I tried.  But I think I've just always categorized this effect as anxiety relief more than anything.

Huh. Didn't know the bit about the receptor interference...would never have assumed.  At least in my experience, this seems to be negligible.
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Ms Grace

The thing about most psychotropic drugs is that they just facilitates what the body is capable of by making connections between various receptors, blah blah blah. And, for example, in my earlier years I found I was able to replicate a stoned frame of perception through certain meditation techniques. And wow that was some pretty weird sh*t without the need to smoke or injest anything. Haven't touched the stuff in over twenty years. So if any drug was able to bring you in touch with aspects of yourself, those aspects are already there, the trick is to access them naturally!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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kathyk

Quote from: Dee on October 24, 2013, 02:05:43 AM
Huh. Didn't know the bit about the receptor interference...would never have assumed.  At least in my experience, this seems to be negligible.
It was some medical study that was published a couple years ago.  I think the thing about receptors is wrong though, because the study said it basically it increases estrogen levels in men (and that was great as far as I was concerned).  But it said pot could also increase testosterone levels in women and that kind of made the study sound a little off base.  And since it highlighted the dangers of Pot, I orriginally classed it as propoganda and lumped it in with the old movie Refer Madness.  But I kept hearing about it and even my old doctor mentioned her warning about it, so I just haven't touched the stuff since then.  And the vagueness of all this is kind of why I think a truely blind study could be useful. 

Quote from: Grace_C on October 24, 2013, 02:50:29 AM
...So if any drug was able to bring you in touch with aspects of yourself, those aspects are already there, the trick is to access them naturally!
I have done meditation in the past, and still do some when I get mad at a person or situation.  But I never tried to duplicate the effect of smoking.  Right now I'm so incredibly preoccupied with my home repair and transition that any other meditation can wait.  Yet it will be tried at some point.





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Seras

My doctor doesn't think it will have any more negative effect than plain old smoking. Which other than the negative health effects from the smoke will have no more affect than any other drug will have on the uptake on any drugs when you have a busy liver.

As for the smoking, I don't know. Sure calms me down though, got me through a lot of stuff. Easy to forget about your problems when you forget about them. Though it stopped me facing them and so subsequently dealing with them too.
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Ms. OBrien CVT

 :police:  Just a brief note.  :police:

Marijuana is legal in some states, however it is still illegal by federal law.  Posting the use of marijuana is still not allowed, but I will let this ride for now.

DO NOT ADVOCATE THE USE OF THE DRUG.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Genzen

I completely agree with the OP. I feel way more feminine. More in touch with my feelings and all senses become more sensitive. The negatives... well I can't focus as well, makes me more lazy and has the potential for abuse instead of tackling ones problems head on. Abuse will most likely interfere with HRT. I also use music to enter these similar states of mind, but it's still not the same as burning for me.
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Genzen

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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on October 24, 2013, 12:37:17 PM
:police:  Just a brief note.  :police:

Marijuana is legal in some states, however it is still illegal by federal law.  Posting the use of marijuana is still not allowed, but I will let this ride for now.

DO NOT ADVOCATE THE USE OF THE DRUG.

Just a question as I don't think it is specified in the TOS, is US law what dictates what we can and cannot talk about?
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Quote from: <3 on October 24, 2013, 02:37:58 PM
Just a question as I don't think it is specified in the TOS, is US law what dictates what we can and cannot talk about?

While technically no it is not against the TOS, but it is still illegal.  As long as we do not promote the use of a drug that is illegal, we can discuss it all we want.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Sybil

I've had two related experiences. This is bound to be a long post, so I can't fault anyone for skipping.

The first:
I landed myself in a situation in which I decided to meet up with a stranger after communicating with him for a while. He got me high. When I was high, he began to come onto me despite me making it clear I was not interested. I began to freak out and felt helpless and terrified (I'm not relating helplessness and terror to womanhood, for the record). His speech was very manipulative and seemed to try and take advantage of my mental state. When I fell quiet and withdrawn, he became verbally abusive.

This triggered a PTSD episode for me (which, ironically, I had only learned I suffered from two weeks prior with my therapist). I felt so trapped and terrified that I collapsed into the arms of my captor (who did later molest me) in tears and excessive shaking. A lot of the physical, sexual and mental abuse from my childhood flooded my mind -- but so did something else, which I find difficult to describe; it was sort of an inner sense of self, like an aura. I could only read it as two things: female and blue. Strangely, I don't care for blue. However, in the echoes of my memories, that was my self-interpretation. It was pure feeling, not imagery. My only existing sense of self at that time was a helpless little girl.

The second:
This was very recent. Several of my friends took me to a getaway seaside home for a belated birthday celebration. They locked me outside of the house after getting me high and wouldn't let me in. I was too far gone to really understand what was going on, but eventually they told me to go inside and surprised me with a birthday cake perfectly tailored to my tastes. They sang me happy birthday and kept calling me the birthday girl. I felt so incredibly loved that I burst into tears and had to run into another room in complete embarrassment.

While I was in the other room, the inner aura came back, except this time it was a blend of purple and green. Purple is my favorite color. I'm okay with green, but it isn't a stellar color for me. My thoughts were overwhelmed with a mixture of the love I felt from everyone and how deeply hideous I felt. I felt hideous because all of my loved ones perceive me as female, but at the same time I'm overweight and unpassable. I make no particular effort with clothing except to avoid anything starkly masculine. I speak to them in a completely female voice and have very effeminate mannerisms, very long hair, and have been pretty feminized from years of hormones. I felt like a mutant of some kind, and certainly like the person they all loved is still invisible to them -- but they still see her, anyway.

I was quiet for the rest of the night. My friends still made sure to pay a lot of attention to me but also let me have my own space. One, who I've been in love with for a long time, kept making me laugh with subtle gestures and I ended up falling asleep to the sound of his voice by the end of the night. In all the silence, the embarrassment, the self-disgust, and the wake of what I can only equate to a profound schoolgirl crush, the aura persisted -- though my age this time was my own and not child-like.


Both examples really make me wonder just how stressed out I must be underneath my crust, but it's also nice to know that when my mind is all too completely incapable of controlling itself or choosing direction, my sense of female seems to persist as some kind of core.
Why do I always write such incredibly long posts?
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on October 24, 2013, 04:00:10 PM
While technically no it is not against the TOS, but it is still illegal.  As long as we do not promote the use of a drug that is illegal, we can discuss it all we want.

I think you missed the point of my question.  I asked if it was not to be talked about because of US law.  As in it's potentially not illegal for many members here.  Is it because the server is in the US?  I'm just wondering because a lot of things are promoted here that are illegal in countries other than the US but they seem to be okay.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Ms. OBrien CVT

No <3, it comes down to whether or not Susan will allow it.  It is her website and she sets the rules.

And personally I am for the legalization of marijuana on the federal level.  Think of the taxes it might generate. 

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on October 24, 2013, 05:04:35 PM
No <3, it comes down to whether or not Susan will allow it.  It is her website and she sets the rules.

And personally I am for the legalization of marijuana on the federal level.  Think of the taxes it might generate.

That's fine.  But you said it wasn't in the TOS.  I'm just confused is all.  If Susan doesn't allow it, why not put it in there?
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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PHXGiRL

I smoke very often. whenever I can. I have smoked the majority of my life. I can relate to you saying that it heightens your feminine side because it does for me as well. It has done this for me pretty much my whole life. I also can get rather sexual alone when I smoke. Smoking weed threw out my transition has done wonders for me. When I first started my real life experience when I was part time I would get completely smoked out then go in public. It eased my mind and relaxed me rather then my anxiety going threw the roof because of peoples thoughts and stares.

I also believe that it not addictive. I quit smoking marijuana for two years in my old marriage. Cold turkey. I go months sometimes between smoke sessions. Sometimes six to 8 months. It is not something I NEED to survive like pawning all my jewelry at the pawn store to buy a 1/4 ounce of pot like meth or any other hard drug. Those that believe that it should be classified as a heavy narcotic are completely in left field and probably never smoked it in their life.
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Danielle Emmalee

Unfortunately I am THC-intolerant.  I'll never experience being "stoned"
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Quote from: <3 on October 24, 2013, 05:06:04 PM
That's fine.  But you said it wasn't in the TOS.  I'm just confused is all.  If Susan doesn't allow it, why not put it in there?

Maybe this might help.

Quote from: Rule 5The posting of messages on the chat or forums which are of a threatening tone; intended solely to communicate sarcasm, contempt, or derision; are intended to belittle or ridicule a person or group; to disgust the viewer; contain obscene or pornographic materials; which are intended to titillate; or which depicts illegal acts; will not be permitted.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Danielle Emmalee

And I repeat, illegal for the US?  That has essentially been my whole question this whole time.  I know you American's like to think you're the only ones who exist but you're not ;)
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Yes.  And the server is located in the US.  Therefore it does fall under US laws.  However, because we have members from many countries, it may not be illegal there.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on October 24, 2013, 05:20:32 PM
Yes.  And the server is located in the US.  Therefore it does fall under US laws.  However, because we have members from many countries, it may not be illegal there.

That's all I was asking.  Thanks.
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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