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Started by louise000, June 27, 2007, 09:56:45 AM

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louise000

I'm a keen Youtube watcher and I'm surprised (and delighted) by the number of transgendered people who now post videoblogs on there. But many of them introduce themselves by saying "I'm a transwoman" or "I'm a T-girl", etc. etc. In some cases, you'd never know they weren't GGs unless they said so. Personally it has long been my dream to become a woman, not a transwoman or a trans-anything. If I ever achieve my dreams, I hope people will see me as a woman, full stop. Surely transwoman is only a step on the way, not the end of the journey? What do others think?
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Maud

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Some people crave attention.
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seldom

It's a differant mindset.  I wouldn't dismiss it, the mindset is there for education and advocacy purposes.  It may be hard to grasp for you, but do not dismiss those who are open about thier trans identification.  They do more good than harm.  I wish I could say the same for those transsexual woman who insult these women for openly identifying based partly on the logic you just stated (but warped to a much further degree). 

Its called advocacy and education, they are doing it in their own way.  The only way they can tell their story effectively and educate is by saying they are trans, basically outing themselves.  The truth is the only way people, be those who think they are transsexual or just the general public, are going to understand this issue is to use identifying words such as transwoman.  Because it creates fewer complications in terms of language. 

Hopefully that helps.  These people are out and proud types, and you seem to be somebody who more than likely would prefer to assimilate fully without any desire to share your past and your experiences in a public way.

Any activist, advocate, and educator uses transwoman, because that is exactly what we are...transsexual women.  The reason the term is there for these purposes is because assimilated or out, we do face a special set of problems most GG will never face because of who we are.  The use of particular language can be used to call attention to what those issues are in a meaningful and effective way. 
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mavieenrose

Quote from: louise000 on June 27, 2007, 09:56:45 AM
I'm a keen Youtube watcher and I'm surprised (and delighted) by the number of transgendered people who now post videoblogs on there. But many of them introduce themselves by saying "I'm a transwoman" or "I'm a T-girl", etc. etc. In some cases, you'd never know they weren't GGs unless they said so. Personally it has long been my dream to become a woman, not a transwoman or a trans-anything. If I ever achieve my dreams, I hope people will see me as a woman, full stop. Surely transwoman is only a step on the way, not the end of the journey? What do others think?

Personally I'm a woman for my friends, family and society in general, but in my head I'll always be a trans-woman.

Although I fully understand those that don't think the same as I do about this, for me denying the trans part of my identity would mean denying the first 20 years of my life.

Before I started transitioning I was transsexual, I then tried to believe I was a woman like any other, and then later became happy with the idea that I'm a trans-woman.  It was bascially love relationships that led me to where I am now, I could never hide my past from those I really care about.  I want them to know just what made me the (trans)woman I am now.

MVER XXX
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Keira


some of them are truly exhibitionists.
A couple think they're all that and more...

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RebeccaFog


   I agree it's connected to having pride. Some of us do not want to be told that we should feel shamed by our gender variance or gender issues. I believe people should be allowed to live either 'out' or 'in' depending upon their point of view.

   We cannot make progress as a group and advance our issues if everyone stays hidden. One of the reasons that our culture has been able to marginalize and denigrate us is that they had the power of fear and shame over us. Many people have suffered terrible fates because of this. Some have harmed themselves because they saw no way out. Others have been harmed by people who are homophobic and gender ignorant. If we have no presence we will have no future, and certainly, many fewer choices.

   I'm not MtF as I had thought I was, I turned out to be an androgyne, but once I looked at myself as an MtF and accepted it, I was able to begin reassessing my identity in a realistic and positive way. It is imperative in my view that we have people in our group who are not afraid to self identify. Those people inspired me to overcome my self hatred. I cannot hide because I have to know that someone somewhere may be helped by understanding they are not alone.

   Good question, Louise,
       I actually wondered what the hell is wrong with those "out" people before I looked at my own issues.  Now, they mean the world to me.

       Everybody in their own way.  Everybody in their own time.


Peace,

Rebecca
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mavieenrose

Quote from: Perchance on June 27, 2007, 12:49:44 PM
On the flip side, the more ignorant the populace is about transgender people, the easier it is for people to pass.

This is no doubt true, though of course the flip side of the flip side is that maybe the more people are educated, the less people actually need to pass...   (Not necessarily my opinion, just a thought...)

MVER XXX
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melissa90299

Quote from: mavieenrose on June 27, 2007, 01:03:35 PM
Quote from: Perchance on June 27, 2007, 12:49:44 PM
On the flip side, the more ignorant the populace is about transgender people, the easier it is for people to pass.

This is no doubt true, though of course the flip side of the flip side is that maybe the more people are educated, the less people actually need to pass...   (Not necessarily my opinion, just a thought...)

MVER XXX


That is the way it is here in SF, very difficult to pass but no one cares. The things I see here I have seen nowhere else in the world, a poorly passing TG is barely even noticed.
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Kate

Assuming I even have the option of hiding my history or not, I don't plan to go around advertising it, no.

On the other hand, I'm not planning on hiding it either. It is what it is, ya know? I don't think pretending that I'm a GG does my own psyche much good. And while I am a TS by definition or description, I don't *identify* as one. I don't want to get caught up in identifying as anything other than being me, being Kate.

It's funny though, when I first started transitioning and would bump into a neighbor or someone, I always felt I HAD to explain myself, why I was standing there presenting as a female. And now... well, I actually FORGET sometimes when I run into people - even ones who knew me as a male. It's just all becoming normal so quickly, it's really weird... and kinda neat ;)

~Kate~
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melissa90299

Quote from: Kate on June 27, 2007, 02:26:42 PM
Assuming I even have the option of hiding my history or not, I don't plan to go around advertising it, no.

On the other hand, I'm not planning on hiding it either. It is what it is, ya know? I don't think pretending that I'm a GG does my own psyche much good. And while I am a TS by definition or description, I don't *identify* as one. I don't want to get caught up in identifying as anything other than being me, being Kate.

It's funny though, when I first started transitioning and would bump into a neighbor or someone, I always felt I HAD to explain myself, why I was standing there presenting as a female. And now... well, I actually FORGET sometimes when I run into people - even ones who knew me as a male. It's just all becoming normal so quickly, it's really weird... and kinda neat ;)

~Kate~


Yes, isn't it great? I too forget that I am TS.
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Yvonne

I have no idea.  You will have to ask a transwoman or someone who wants to be one.
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Yvonne

Quote from: regina on June 27, 2007, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: Yvonne on June 27, 2007, 06:53:24 PM
I have no idea.  You will have to ask a transwoman or someone who wants to be one.

So then my question is, how come you still post to sites about transwomen (or transsexuals, or mtfs)? I'm not saying that's wrong, but if people say they're losing their past (and perhaps it's just a process) then why come here? What does this place provide you as a woman? I hope that's not offending some of you.

ciao,
Gina M.

I just want to see how the other side of the world is living. :laugh:

Ciao

Yvonne
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NatalieC

Not me! I would never want such a difficult life for myself!
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melissa90299

Quote from: regina on June 27, 2007, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: Yvonne on June 27, 2007, 06:53:24 PM
I have no idea.  You will have to ask a transwoman or someone who wants to be one.

So then my question is, how come you still post to sites about transwomen (or transsexuals, or mtfs)? I'm not saying that's wrong, but if people say they're losing their past (and perhaps it's just a process) then why come here? What does this place provide you as a woman? I hope that's not offending some of you.

ciao,
Gina M.

Good question. I think I know the answer.
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Melissa-kitty

There are those who are "out" to be of service to others, others going through transition, others dealing with gender dysphoria, or to help change society by political or other means. Hat's off to them! What a grand thing to do! So often, I think I should have stencilled above my bathroom mirror, "It's not about you!"
Some have this role thrust upon them.
Namaste, Tara
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Suzy

I understand why they are doing it and I am glad they are.  Would I do it?  No way.  All I would ever like to be is a woman, no different than one who had been born without this birth defect.

Kristi
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Tara on June 27, 2007, 08:24:29 PM
There are those who are "out" to be of service to others, others going through transition, others dealing with gender dysphoria, or to help change society by political or other means. Hat's off to them! What a grand thing to do! So often, I think I should have stencilled above my bathroom mirror, "It's not about you!"
Some have this role thrust upon them.
Namaste, Tara

Right, this is what I was trying to say earlier.


Rebecca
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Shana A

Proud to be a transwoman. I don't wear a sign, but I won't lie if someone asks. Yes, i believe my life would've been easier if I'd been born with a female body, however I accept that my past experiences have made me the person I am.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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tinkerbell

Quote from: DawnL on October 29, 2006, 09:41:45 PM
Most of us transition hoping to lead a normal life somewhere down the road.  For some people, that may involve living as a post-op transsexual, for others, it's trying to live a normal life as a woman (or man) which often requires some level of stealth. 
I don't think anyone who has endured the rigors and horrors of transition is under any obligation to anyone.  If you want to be out, be proud, be an activist, whatever, please do so--I
respect your choice--but please don't suggest that I have a similar obligation.  I don't.  The choice between out and stealth should be just that, a choice, an entirely personal decision without any expectations or obligations.  I'm a woman with a transsexual history, not a transsexual, and my history is my business alone.

Dawn


Ditto!  I'm a woman with a transsexual history, not a transsexual, and my history is my business alone.  I treasure this quote from Dawn very much.  I really do. :)

tink :icon_chick:
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Christine Eryn

I think me becoming a "transwoman" would be a step, or a state, of myself achiving my final goal. I can't do every step at once.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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