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Ramifications of living with undiagnosed, untreated GID for decades ?

Started by Nero, June 29, 2007, 01:26:19 AM

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Nero

Hello guys and dolls.
What do you think are the ramifications of living with undiagnosed, untreated GID for decades?
And what ramifications continue to exist even after transition?


Nero
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Keira


The consequences are that I've never grown up because I did not want to assume the identity of a man and couldn't assume the identity of a woman. I never really matured and I would say I've stayed child like. I develloped so many copping mechanisms that everything I did from morning to night was an automated reaction (thus I called myself the zombie); don't think this is solved now. You don't devellop all these things and just chuck them all, they're imbricated into you, they have to be hacked out very slowly and painfully. I can't really live my life as a women if I don't get rid of the layers that have keep me secure all these years. Its frightnening to emerge outside, just me, improvising, without the scripted life and the instant canned answers, I'm afraid of the unknown, even if intellectually I know its good for me. That's why I procrastinate allways. Then, when I do it, its a revelation, why did I wait? Yet, the next day, I'm beneath my 100 pound of security blanket, I've peeled one off, dozens to go.
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Melissa-kitty

Misery. Sheer gross unhappiness. So much hiding. It's like every aspect is to camoflage myself as a guy, behave as a guy, look like a guy, sound like a guy. Each with it's quantum of pain. Every action is unconsciously a battle between disguising myself as a guy, and having my femme side wriggle out. Guy roles that I don't quite fit into, but if others don't look too hard, I can pull off. If others see that, and some do, there is an awkwardness. they know something isn't as it should be, but don't know quite what it is. It means most moments of every day are spent at war with myself. It means that I can't really look at my body, in the mirror, without bursting into tears, and never have been able to. It means no one in my life knows these things.
The road out is uncertain, difficult, painful. It does feel like growing up, but there is a sheer panic, as well. My cocoon works for a quiet, safe, apparently successful life.
Ugly.
Tara
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karmatic1110

Quote from: Keira on June 29, 2007, 01:50:03 AM

The consequences are that I've never grown up because I did not want to assume the identity of a man and couldn't assume the identity of a woman. I never really matured and I would say I've stayed child like. I develloped so many copping mechanisms that everything I did from morning to night was an automated reaction (thus I called myself the zombie); don't think this is solved now. You don't devellop all these things and just chuck them all, they're imbricated into you, they have to be hacked out very slowly and painfully. I can't really live my life as a women if I don't get rid of the layers that have keep me secure all these years. Its frightnening to emerge outside, just me, improvising, without the scripted life and the instant canned answers, I'm afraid of the unknown, even if intellectually I know its good for me. That's why I procrastinate allways. Then, when I do it, its a revelation, why did I wait? Yet, the next day, I'm beneath my 100 pound of security blanket, I've peeled one off, dozens to go.


Wow Keira, that is exactly how i feel!  You made my jaw drop.  I most definitely need to grow up a bit.  I nver really tried to better myself outside of my interests because frankly, I saw no point in nurturing a life that I despised.  I tired many things to keep myself happy whih at one point equaled a lot of money and $400 dollar shirts (what was I thinking?!?!).  I find life difficult and I have so much growing up to do but I have no idea how to get there.

Charlotte

Buffy

Every second, of every minute, of every hour, of every day was living misery. I used to be confused, unconfident and depressed. It was all I thought about during the day and what I had nightmares about at night.

Who we are is fundemental to happinness in this life, I never who who I was for 30 odd years.

The ramifications where I had over 20 years of my life effectively trapped in my own prison, because I hadn't a clue why I felt like this. I could have been happier early, found peace in my life, If I had transitioned earlier.

Buffy
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SusanK

Quote from: Nero on June 29, 2007, 01:26:19 AM
Hello guys and dolls.
What do you think are the ramifications of living with undiagnosed, untreated GID for decades?
And what ramifications continue to exist even after transition?

Nero

Like those who wait until their 40 or 50's to transistion, either because they couldn't transistion or were confused about themself with all the pressure about being normal? And the costs in terms of work/career, family, money, etc.

Afterward the ramifications are the lost years spent knowing, that while you had a good life, you missed being who you really are and could have lived. And with the more years there's more socialization to undo when you do transistion, beside the problems with the older and aging body on hrt.

In short, do it while you're young and don't look back. It's a tradeoff between the life you want and the life you have (and could have staying male for all its privileges), but not a hard one when you use your heart and mind to decide what's right.

Now if we can get the medical and insurance communities to understand the benefits of being supportive than being a hinderance.

--Susan--
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Kate

Quote from: Keira on June 29, 2007, 01:50:03 AM
The consequences are that I've never grown up because I did not want to assume the identity of a man and couldn't assume the identity of a woman. I never really matured and I would say I've stayed child like. I develloped so many copping mechanisms that everything I did from morning to night was an automated reaction (thus I called myself the zombie); don't think this is solved now. You don't devellop all these things and just chuck them all, they're imbricated into you, they have to be hacked out very slowly and painfully. I can't really live my life as a women if I don't get rid of the layers that have keep me secure all these years. Its frightnening to emerge outside, just me, improvising, without the scripted life and the instant canned answers, I'm afraid of the unknown , even if intellectually I know its good for me.That's why I procrastinate allways. Then, when I do it, its a revelation, why did I wait? Yet, the next day, I'm beneath my 100 pound of security blanket, I've peeled one off, dozens to go.

LOL, wow!

Apparently it made Keira psychic too, lol... this is *exactly* how I feel :)

~Kate~
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Manyfaces

Never having a solid and secure sense of self-identity.

Years and years of chronic and sometimes life-threatening depression and anxiety.

Enough money spent on therapy to have purchased a house, at least in some parts of the country.

Always feeling like an outsider, not fitting in any kind of ordinary way with either women or men.

Acute discomfort with my physical self, self-loathing of my body to the point of not being able to look in the mirror.

Feeling ugly, unacceptable, and just wrong.

Extreme social isolation during huge chunks of my life.

A pervasive sense of having been dropped on the wrong planet, not belonging anywhere.

Extreme and unpleasant self-consciousness of myself in relation to or comparison with other people.

Despite all that, I have managed to have an interesting if often painful life, to raise two amazing kids, and to have survived.  Do I wish there'd been a way for me to have dealt with all this much earlier?  Absolutely.  Why didn't I?  I don't know, exactly, and I simply have to trust that for whatever reasons, I wasn't ready, but now I am. 

But I'm just past fifty and in good health and expect to have a good long chunk of life left yet, so I'm going for it now, and just having made the decision has resolved so much tension and anxiety and unhappiness in me that my life feels transformed already.  The sense of coming into myself is very profound, and very wonderful, and I don't have any doubts that it is the right thing for me. 

I don't expect that transitioning will magically make all of my "issues" just go away--there is always continuing work and growth to be done, and I'll continue to do it--and I can't say how I'll feel about it all years hence, but it feels as if a missing and critical piece of the puzzle of myself has finally fallen into place, and I can only think that is, and will be, a good thing. 

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Gray Seraph

Hiding it for 10 years was hard enough for me. I can't really imagine doing it again.

I have yet to really even experience life, because I've been in limbo all this time. At the time I thought it was pointless to put any effort into a life I never wanted in the first place. So life kept on going while time stood still for me. All my friends eventually abandoned me because they moved on. I probably became little more than a memory to them.

I always had my guard up, trying not to show my true self to anyone. Even when I was alone I was too afraid someone would find out.
Over time my fear just devoured me, and dominated every aspect my life. I felt like I was powerless to ever make a decision by my own freewill again. I sank deep into a black sea of depression and anxiety, and almost couldn't find the way back.

I honestly don't know how long I'd survive if I chose to go back into hiding, instead of trying to face who I am.

I just wish I had the courage to face myself when I was 15, because that's 10 years I'm never going to get back again. The pain and suffering I went through wasn't worth it, just to pretend that I was normal.

~Marciel
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RebeccaFog

Ramifications:

   Social isolation
   retarded maturation, I'm only this year becoming a mature human
   Self hatred
   Wasted years
   Wasted potential
   awkward socialization
   Depression
   Anxiety
   Obsessive compulsive disorder
   drugs
   alcohol
   ugly clothes because you just don't care what you look like.
   Having to catch up once you are diagnosed.
   Losing friends
   Losing family

   But is it worth it to be diagnosed even late?  YES it is.
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Jessica

Numbness is the best way I can describe it.

There isn't any confusion anymore.  I know what I am, I know where I stand, I still go around and around in circles over it, but I know what I am and all of the arguements involved thanks to Susan's and my realizations while in therapy.  I owe all of you a great deal for that.

I know I'll never be what I've hoped and prayed for nor will I ever be what society expects, although I still pretend for the sake of those around me.

I've lived with my depression so long that I honestly can't imagine feeling any other way.

I live each day without thinking much.  I do what I do moment to moment because that is what I've done in the past.  Days merge and become months... then years.

Ask me what I did yesterday? I don't know.
I know I went to work.
I ate.
I slept.

That's it... I can't tell you much about yesterday other than that.

Most things are just a way to pass the time.
There are a few significant moments that break through and let some sun in once in awhile but they aren't common anymore.

It's not pain anymore. 
It's just kind of a numbness.

I refer to it as the inductive approach to suicide.
Each day that passes is one day down and one less day you have to be here.

What keeps me alive day to day is that I don't want to hurt anyone else.
They take life seriously.

I can't take it seriously anymore because my life doesn't feel real, it's like I'm a ghost watching time move past me.
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Shana A

depression
isolation from other people
numbness to own feelings
sadness
a feeling of going through the motions of life as opposed to truly living and enjoying it

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Seshatneferw

Quote from: Rob on June 29, 2007, 08:51:34 AM
Never having a solid and secure sense of self-identity.

Always feeling like an outsider, not fitting in any kind of ordinary way with either women or men.

These are the main things for me, too, to the extent that in the past few years I've been constructing a self-identity that consists mainly of a permanent identity crisis and of being the odd one who almost fits in. Not just with gender, but also with a few other facets of my life. At times I've felt great affinity with Schrödinger's cat.

Professionally this not-quite-this-but-not-that-either approach has at times been pretty successful. It's also worked to a degree in dealing with the gender issues, although only time will tell whether that will last. All in all, though, I believe it has made me grow up in some ways that I wouldn't have if I'd been cisgendered: placing myself in between the categories has required me to be more consciously me, with less reliance on cultural stereotypes. This, in turn, makes me less anxious to transition than I might be otherwise -- in a lot of respects I'm already pretty close to where I want to be.

Of course, the relative indifference towards transition reinforces my identity-as-identity-crisis. I'm not a proper transsexual, since (at least currently) I don't have an all-encompassing need to transition, and my wish to get my body fixed has not (yet) grown nearly strong enough to overrule the various social considerations that argue against it. I'm not properly androgyne either, since I do have a rather stable female gender identity, even though my body is clearly male and my social presentation somewhere close to the middle of the spectrum. So, in a sense, I can consider myself an oddity even here.

By the by, Nero, thank you for asking the question. Having to think about this cleared my mind a lot.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Seshatneferw on June 29, 2007, 03:21:14 PM

By the by, Nero, thank you for asking the question. Having to think about this cleared my mind a lot.

  Nfr


What Nfr really meant to say was : "Quit messing with us, Man!!!"   >:D    :D   ;) heh heh
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Jessica

QuoteAt times I've felt great affinity with Schrödinger's cat.

I have always really hated that theory.
Essentially, even if I choose to die right now, *I* won't be able to because *I* will always be in the world where it doesn't occur.

Furthermore, there is a corollary.

Assume:
*click* I tried.

There are now two worlds:
1. is a world where it occured and I have hurt all of those around me by dying (n number of people).
However, *I* my conciousness, am no longer in that world.
I am in the world it didn't occur and a 'click' happened. I wonder ... what the hell happened?
*click* I try again.
There are now 3 worlds.  I have now hurt everyone who has known my in two universes (2n) and I am still alive in the third having only taken myself out of two alternatives.

click--------click------current (1)
  |              |
bang(2)    bang(3)

So, in current state (1) my actions have hurt 2n number of people and I am still alive.

Which means the following:
I have hurt twice the number of people that could have been hurt given one and only one universe.
and furthermore, I still exist in exactly the same state as before.

This is precisely what the Schrödinger thought expirement states and It implies that we do not really have free choice.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, just that I don't like it much.

Jessica
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J.T.

you have all stated my thoughts on this topic... mainly the social isolation, depression, anxiety, and wasted years.  I'm glad to have finally found who i am, i just wish it could have been 15 years ago.
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Kimberly

Quote from: Nero on June 29, 2007, 01:26:19 AM
Hello guys and dolls.
What do you think are the ramifications of living with undiagnosed, untreated GID for decades?
And what ramifications continue to exist even after transition?


Nero
I think the best way I can put it is that my fuse was getting shorter and shorter as time went on. That, and depression.

This said, and while I am no way 'transitioned' I am well on my way and in my opinion as I sit right now it would seem my fuse has been reset... about that depression though....


Yeah.


BUT, there are a number of other issues and life it very self for that matter which plague me so, um...

Yeah.

Depression is rather lingering BUT, *shrug* not all of it was in a transsexual... point of view in the first place.


Tis a good question Nero (=
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Seshatneferw

Um, Jessica, what you are describing is the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, not the Copenhagen interpretation that the poor cat was supposed to illustrate. In the former, there exists one universe where the cat is dead and another where it's alive; in the latter, the cat is simultaneously dead and alive until someone opens the box and looks at it. But we digress.

  Nfr
Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
-- Pete Conrad, Apollo XII
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Melissa

One of the biggest ramifications was that I almost died several times by my own hand.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Jessica on June 29, 2007, 03:59:53 PM
QuoteAt times I've felt great affinity with Schrödinger's cat.

I have always really hated that theory.
Essentially, even if I choose to die right now, *I* won't be able to because *I* will always be in the world where it doesn't occur.

Furthermore, there is a corollary.

Assume:
*click* I tried.

There are now two worlds:
1. is a world where it occured and I have hurt all of those around me by dying (n number of people).
However, *I* my conciousness, am no longer in that world.
I am in the world it didn't occur and a 'click' happened. I wonder ... what the hell happened?
*click* I try again.
There are now 3 worlds.  I have now hurt everyone who has known my in two universes (2n) and I am still alive in the third having only taken myself out of two alternatives.

click--------click------current (1)
  |              |
bang(2)    bang(3)

So, in current state (1) my actions have hurt 2n number of people and I am still alive.

Which means the following:
I have hurt twice the number of people that could have been hurt given one and only one universe.
and furthermore, I still exist in exactly the same state as before.

This is precisely what the Schrödinger thought expirement states and It implies that we do not really have free choice.  I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it, just that I don't like it much.

Jessica

If we were lucky, you'd miss in every world and hit a flat worlder.  >:D
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