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Pitch is more important than anything?

Started by anjaq, November 05, 2013, 07:55:46 AM

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anjaq

I just read this abstract - sadly cannot get the article (if anyone can, please tell me. I could try to get it via library order maybe). It is a study about MtF voices and it comes to the conclusion that indeed pitch is the most deining parameter by which people judge a voice to be female. Resonance is also important as well as infection and all the other things, but not as important as the F0. This is different from what many TG people I met are saying.

Here is the link and abstarct:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2011.664464
QuoteThe objective of this study was to examine the voices of male-to-female (MtF) transgender veterans and biological females that can result in identification or misidentification of biological gender. Twenty-one MtF transgender veterans and 9 cis-gender females were enrolled. The interaction of speaking fundamental frequency (SFo) and formant (resonatory) frequencies in gender discrimination was investigated. The results indicated that an average SFo above 180 Hz and maintaining a speaking pitch range of approximately 140 to 300 Hz appear to be the most powerful acoustic features or markers in the perception of a female voice in a biological male (M. L. Brown & Rounsley, 1996). An SFo of approximately 170 Hz appears to be the lower limit that would result in a biological male being perceived as having a female voice by most listeners. A slight elevation in the second (F2) and third (F3) formants was noted but does not appear to have a significant influence in the perception of a female voice in biological males. Female voices appear to be perceived as male by most listeners if average SFo is at or below 165 Hz, the low SFo is below 130 Hz, and a low F3 is exhibited. No evidence was found that jitter (frequency perturbation) and shimmer (amplitude perturbation) affect the perception of a female or male voice in a biological male. The results support previous research that elevated pitch is the strongest acoustic marker in the perception of a female voice in biological males.

n=30 is not too great and sadly they use a very weird scientific description of TS women as "biological males" - I hate that, but its not about that now just on the science...

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Horizon

I know many women who can speak around C3 and *still* sound completely female.  Naturally, I disagree with this.
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anjaq

Ok, I finally got my hands on a copy of that paper in full.The contents are less clear than the abstract suggests. The main conclusion seems to be that for some reason they could not find out which parameters do make a person decide if a voice if female or male. They tested various parameters like resonance/formants, pitch and pitch shift. some of the XX women had very low pitch and still were perceived as female, they had very high frequency resonances/formants incomparion to all the MtFs. None of the MtFs could produce such high formants and XX women who failed to do so were perceived as male as well. However within the group pf MtFs, the ones with higher pitch and more pitch variation were on average perceived more likely as female than the others, even though they exceeded the XX women in both parameters to achieve that. It seems to me that increasing pitch and pitch variation can compensate for the lack in high frequency resonance which was not attainable by the MtFs. They did some resonance change and managed to elevate formants a bit, but still were far from the average female range with all the techniques they used.

My personal conclusion would be that resonance formants actually is more important in determining the gender of the voice (contrary to the suggestions in the abstract) but that there is no good way to reach that as all the attempts by MtFs to reach a higher formants were not bringing it up in the normal female range. There was one MtF with a VFS in the study, she reached a rather high pitch and formants but still was perceived as male for unknown reasons (maybe her voice sounding artificial). But when formants cannot be increased, pitch seems to actually be the most important secondary and more easily changeable parameter that can compensate for that, along with pitch variation. So a combination of changing pitch, resonance and other parametrs is needed and in that context if pitch fails, the other parameters cannot compensate - unlike in XX women who can compensate for a low Fo by other parameters, most likely resonance which is a parameter determined by biology (length of the vocal tract, changeably only to a small degree by control).

In respect to VFS I would say this article cautions a bit, as the VFS subject in it was not perceived as female despite hitting all the parametrs needed - but also the need for elevated pitch is demonstrated to compensate for the ability to increase formants beyond a certain range and thus I would say a well done VFS which does not make the voice sound restricted or artificial would be beneficial.

It would be interesting to see what would come from it if they looked as a Dr Thomas surgery which should increase formants by changing the length of the vocal tract...

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Jennygirl

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