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Started by anjaq, November 12, 2013, 06:21:38 PM

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anjaq

I think we kind of start to figure out how to get food at a reasonable price now. Some restaurants have dishes that are made for two people. so we were scared a bit by the prices, but since the size is enough for two and one gets two plates with it, it makes it all reasonable again. Also seriously one has to avoid anything remotely Western, it seems. We paid like 30000 KRW for a bit of bread, fake cheese, ham and vegetable spread "butter" plus some sauce to make sandwiches for breakfast (and some bananas and water). I found that quite steep, but did not know what korean replacement for a breakfast to take. But the stalls at the road sell fried surimi and sausages in bake or dough for quite cheap and we had roasted chicken similar to KFC in a chicken restaurant last night for just 11000 for two people. That was reasonable. Still maybe more expensive than I would expect for something similar in a similar looking place at home, but ok.

I am getting a little better at coughing less, but stupid me has actually dropped a word twice yesterday. I really have to watch myself much more to avoid that, even in the half-wake one one side and shocked state on the other side I was in (getting woken up by the cleaning lady and the toilet overflowing). Its that sort of uncontrolled situations that "get you". But those I mentioned it to who did the trip already said it is happening to everyone a few times and I should not worry... Just watch it more closely so I avoid it happening more often.


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ImagineKate

Anja, how did the follow up go? Hope all is well.
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anjaq

Yes, all is well :)

They sent me home with all the data in a paper file and on a USB device. I also asked for the Photos of the Followup. Apparently Dr Kim shortened my vocal fords by about 40%, so that is slighly more than the usual 1/3 suture but not as much as the 1/2 suture.

This is how it looks  now:


I got a Botox shot (made a small haematoma sadly, so now I have a bit of a blue mark on the neck for some days, but it will go away) and the tablets for the post Botox Phase. He gave me enough for 4 Months, which is a long time, most others seem to have gotten only 1 month. Also it may be that I need a second Botox in 3-4 months. He gave me Clonazepam as always, but also gave me Afloqualone as an alternative if I react badly on that (he asked me if I had Depression before and I said yes, so that is why).

He also told me to keep silent for 4 weeks beginning the day of the followup, so a week longer than I expected. Not speaking was ok in Korea - no one to talk to anyways and those who are there are not speaking english anyways and a dialog is possible with typing and showing, but now at home with several people it is frustrating because when I am finished typing something to remark on a topic, the topic already changed.

Now - I have to wait a month to hear my new voice really and he said that in 2-4 Months the pitch should inrease. I am excited and just cannot wait ;)

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ImagineKate

Super happy for you Anja! I hope it sounds really good.

I have to book my hotel for when I go in June. I have been thinking Phil house myself.
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anjaq

Phil House is OK, but really in a way very basic. So the rooms are not large, the beds are typically asian - rather hard, the breakfast is very basic too - coffee and toast. But the advantage is that it is rather cheap, you can bring a friend at no extra costs, you have a fridge and kitchen and even a washing machine in the room, which was really useful. So its definitely saving money. But it is more suited if you want to be outside a lot and not stay in the room for days. One hint: bring a large rowel for showering. They give you fresh towels for free as often as you want, but they are small. You can check out the day before you leave if you leave early and they give you a number key for the door. They were really helpful if we had issues, one just has to ask them. Oh but dont use toilet paper in the toilet. We found out that in Phil House it is the same as in most other places in Seoul - the toilets dont take paper well. Even restaurants have often trash bins in the toilet stalls to put in the used toilet paper.

And avoid being tempted by european style foods in Seoul generally. We bought stuff to make breakfast sandwiches - bread, cheese, ham, butter, sauce and it cost like $30 for enough to make a handful of sandwiches. and the cheese was fake, the "butter" was vegetable margarine with butter... lol.

So Phil House is ok, especially if you want to have something like a frisge and washing machine, save money and want to be in the City a lot instead of the room, it probably is less suited if you like hotel service, daily room cleaning and want to stay in the room a lot. Oh but Phil house has a nice common living room downstairs with couches, a dart machine and a dining table, so one can use that too.

I was told, June is rather hot and humid. So its the opposite of how it was now - grey and cold and windy. The best time to be in Seoul seems to be April and May or September and October. But Phil House has air conditioning ;)

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ImagineKate

Thanks.

I do plan to make the most out of my trip. I will be shopping and not simply staying in my room.

Cheap is good, cheap is great actually. The other amenities seem to make it worthwhile.
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anjaq

Yes. For me it was totally ok. i wanted to go ou tmore, but my friend who was with me became sick during the journey to Korea and then was rather in a bad stat there. So she stayed a lot in the room and was annoyed by that. Sadly I was thus less able to go out as well. So it was kind of bad luck because I had the surgery and was hoping to get some care by having a friend with me and then I had to care for my friend almost more than she was able to help me. Another reason not to go in winter but rather in April, May, September, October: Less risk to get a cold and be sick...

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ImagineKate

Unfortunately I have kids in school and cannot go during the school term. That's the main reason I pushed it out so far.
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anjaq

Yes - same here almost. I can only go in February and with a tighter schedule I could go in September, but would have to be back to full voice use 6 weeks later, which is not good. 8 weeks is what Dr Kim said. But still, it may have been the wiser choice...

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Damara

So excited to hear your voice! And thank you for sharing this journey! <3
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anjaq

So, the 4 week resting period was over at the end of last week and I was trying out a few sentences since then. Pitch certainly has gone up a bit, but not by fas as much as is the goal, which is not uncommon, I was told by Dr Kim that in my case it should reach the goal by the end of the 4th month, so that is a while. Clearly the lower notes are gone as is the timbre that goes with it even in the higher notes. So one goal reached is already that I cannot go really low anymore. My guess would be that about 130 Hz is the lower limit (before it was 80 Hz). The voice is softer, has a different quality, is more naturally feminine - this is probably in part because of the desired changes but also in part because of the Botox and the breathiness that comes from being so early in the recovery. I will see how this develops. What I noticed is that it is incredibly easy to go up in pitch, when I tried my first sentences, I accidentially went in a very high pitch for some intonations because I was doing what I was used to do and the same amount of muscle tension cause my voice to go way higher than I was used to. Still, relaxed pitch is at maybe 150 Hz, so that is about 20 Hz higher than my pre op relaxed trained voice and about 40 Hz higher than my bottom end "male" voice. So I kind of hope it will go up in the 180-200 Hz range as would be predicted. So far, I am impressed for being just 4 weeks post op, this is already very good, I think. Feedback from others varied a bit, some said it is great and undeniably feminine, others said that it is in part feminine but in parts it is more androgynous sounding or even sometimes male sounding. I guess this is less about pitch or timbre but more about the way I speak and this is a bit restricted now. Some of the old tricks dont work anymore and it will be a bit of a learning process to feminize the sound of the voice in terms or resonance and intonations again, I also lacked some in these areas, so I hope that with pitch and timbre out of the way, I have more freedom and relaxation to improve my prosody.
I can say a few sentences, then I have to make along break, drink a lot of water always , but if I do that, I can probably do 50-100 sentences a day today, although I suspect this may have been a bit much, since I was pretty hoarse and weak at the end, so I will try to keep it below that in the next days.
3.5 weeks until I should be able to use my voice fully again and to start with voice exercises 5x a day and voice therapy 1-2x a week and explore the abilities of my new voice.

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kwala

Quote from: anjaq on March 29, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
So, the 4 week resting period was over at the end of last week and I was trying out a few sentences since then. Pitch certainly has gone up a bit, but not by fas as much as is the goal, which is not uncommon, I was told by Dr Kim that in my case it should reach the goal by the end of the 4th month, so that is a while. Clearly the lower notes are gone as is the timbre that goes with it even in the higher notes. So one goal reached is already that I cannot go really low anymore. My guess would be that about 130 Hz is the lower limit (before it was 80 Hz). The voice is softer, has a different quality, is more naturally feminine - this is probably in part because of the desired changes but also in part because of the Botox and the breathiness that comes from being so early in the recovery. I will see how this develops. What I noticed is that it is incredibly easy to go up in pitch, when I tried my first sentences, I accidentially went in a very high pitch for some intonations because I was doing what I was used to do and the same amount of muscle tension cause my voice to go way higher than I was used to. Still, relaxed pitch is at maybe 150 Hz, so that is about 20 Hz higher than my pre op relaxed trained voice and about 40 Hz higher than my bottom end "male" voice. So I kind of hope it will go up in the 180-200 Hz range as would be predicted. So far, I am impressed for being just 4 weeks post op, this is already very good, I think. Feedback from others varied a bit, some said it is great and undeniably feminine, others said that it is in part feminine but in parts it is more androgynous sounding or even sometimes male sounding. I guess this is less about pitch or timbre but more about the way I speak and this is a bit restricted now. Some of the old tricks dont work anymore and it will be a bit of a learning process to feminize the sound of the voice in terms or resonance and intonations again, I also lacked some in these areas, so I hope that with pitch and timbre out of the way, I have more freedom and relaxation to improve my prosody.
I can say a few sentences, then I have to make along break, drink a lot of water always , but if I do that, I can probably do 50-100 sentences a day today, although I suspect this may have been a bit much, since I was pretty hoarse and weak at the end, so I will try to keep it below that in the next days.
3.5 weeks until I should be able to use my voice fully again and to start with voice exercises 5x a day and voice therapy 1-2x a week and explore the abilities of my new voice.

What wonderful news!  So happy for you that your results are so far very pleasing (and will continue to improve!).  I have no doubt this is in part due to your diligence to stick with the after care instructions as best as you could.  Can't wait to read and hear more!
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anjaq

Well I admit I am not doing so well on the after care these days. I should watch it more. I talked probably too much yesterday with a friend visiting and today at work, so I was gettin sore throat and worst of all, I had to sneeze, after that my throat was sore for the rest of the day :( - I need to use more text and less talking again for the next days...

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kwala

Quote from: anjaq on March 30, 2015, 03:44:10 PM
Well I admit I am not doing so well on the after care these days. I should watch it more. I talked probably too much yesterday with a friend visiting and today at work, so I was gettin sore throat and worst of all, I had to sneeze, after that my throat was sore for the rest of the day :( - I need to use more text and less talking again for the next days...
I was just pointing out that you made the effort and did your best.  The few times I've seen people complain about a "bad result" it usually comes out that they were grossly ignoring the after care advice.  I think that this far out it would take a LOT to diminish your results :)
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anjaq

Ok, so on a good day (I have more bad days than good days and evenings are always bad) I think the voice is very ok now: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0eqhwuwNT1G - sadly this is not always the case, more healing needs to be happening to have these moments more often and hopefully eventually should be nearly always happening. I am very hoarse still, especially after talking just a little bit regular conversation, the voice still has very low volume. 2 weeks until the main healing period is over and I can start with the voice exercises and voice rehab. I hope for some improvement from there on.

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Teslagirl

Quote from: anjaq on April 12, 2015, 08:30:34 AM
Ok, so on a good day (I have more bad days than good days and evenings are always bad) I think the voice is very ok now: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0eqhwuwNT1G - sadly this is not always the case, more healing needs to be happening to have these moments more often and hopefully eventually should be nearly always happening. I am very hoarse still, especially after talking just a little bit regular conversation, the voice still has very low volume. 2 weeks until the main healing period is over and I can start with the voice exercises and voice rehab. I hope for some improvement from there on.
You sound wonderful, Anja; completely feminine! Is there a recording of your pre-surgery voice somewhere? You must be so happy!

Sarah
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thegreenrabbit

Your voice sounds a lot better than it used to. Very feminine. Sounding a lot more relaxed in German.
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anjaq

Here is a "official" pre OP voice at a voice doctor: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0E1rwXhMaBL (also in german , just like the other one before - I will post english texts soon). Admittedly, the voice I use in that clip is not what I did in everyday conversations, it is my relaxed and lower voice. This is another recording I did for myself and probably is more like I spoke everyday towards the end of last year. Its also pretty low, but this is close to my everyday voice then. http://vocaroo.com/i/s1jJHundjYIb


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ReDucks

Your voice sounds so great now Anja!  I can't wait to hear in another 2 months :)
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anjaq

I think I had a bit of a setback - I was talking way too much on the last weekend, having met with family and friends and being in restaurants and a bar - so I am having a sore throat now for a while and cannot really speak up, I try to keep it low now - saying only few words and at low volume and hoping it will go away soon ...

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