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A question/ramble

Started by Sigrid, November 15, 2013, 04:21:39 PM

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Sigrid

I have a question I have been struggling with. What does it mean to be female?

I was born male but have no real male identity. I would really love to live as a female. It is a feeling that gets stronger with time. I can manage to make the feeling go away for a time but it always comes back a little stronger. They will eventually win but I push the feeling back because I do not understand why living as a female calls to me so.

I don't really feel like that not living as a female is holding me back from living my life as I would like. The need to live as a female is suppressed, yes, but I don't think anything else is suppressed with it. I can maybe equate my want to be a female to wanting to jump of a cliff because something I want is down there. I don't feel like I am loosing anything by just sitting on the ledge looking down but I have a lot to loose if I jump down. But dammit, I want what is down there and I can't walk away from the ledge.

I don't understand why I don't wish to be male but wish to be female. What can I gain from being a female that I can't get currently? And if I am really trans then you could say I am already female. I don't think there really is a line between genders in transition. You always are what you really are. During daydreams I don't imagine myself much different if I was living my life as an open female. My clothes might be a little different, sure, but I would still be the same person. If I don't imagine myself changing who I truly am why do I want to change? What intangible thing am I missing?

I am biased. On the whole I attribute more positive traits to female nature than I do to male nature. My perception is flawed. I already have or am constantly striving for the traits I think are good to have and gender should have nothing to do with that.

TLDR

What is being female to you? Can males not possess whatever that may be?

What is being male to you? Can females not possess whatever that may be?

Sorry if my ramble was unclear. The translation of thoughts that have been fermenting inside your head to text doesn't always make things sound the best. Or clear.
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evecrook

Its a very tough question . I started dreaming of being female when I was 4 years old. Now that many years have past I feel exactly the way I did when I was 4. I had a lot of therapy through the years , but I can't rationalize it away. Logic seems not to work. I've had this desire for so long, I know that I never fit in doing male things. I never even liked male conversations. For some reason I can't relate to things males are into. I've always felt from another planet. I'd much rather put make up on and a dress and walk around then sit around a table playing cards or drinking in a bar. Its such a beautiful feeling for me. I've tried to analyze why, but I just don't  Know. All I know is that my body isn't right. Its caused me an incredible amount of pain through out my life. The best dreams I've had in my life are that of being physically a woman. I don't really Know what its like truly to be a woman. All I Know for sure is that I've never fit in a male role. I remember all through grade school and high school I felt so out of place. Things are changing now that I'm on HRT. Better late than never they say.
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V M

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suzifrommd

Quote from: Sigrid on November 15, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
What is being female to you? Can males not possess whatever that may be?

I am transgender. That means that the structure in my brain that informs my gender, the one that tells most male-bodied people that they should live as a male, doesn't work the same for me.

It took me 50 years to figure this out.

I always knew that I wished I was female and had a female body, preferred females as friends, enjoyed media intended for females, and was intensely interested in everything pertaining to females.

I never knew why this was. I thought it was just a quirk of my personality.

I never thought I could BE a woman until I started exploring things last year. For some reason I couldn't fathom, it felt amazingly good to shave my arms and legs so they looked like a woman's. I tried going out a few times as a woman in public. For reasons I can't explain, it felt amazingly ... right.

Am I a female? I stop short of claiming that label. My experiences are not the same as a female, and internally, I don't "feel" like a female.

But I'm living full time as a woman, and I'm so sure that's the way I should live that the idea of going back to living as a man seems unbearably bleak. It's not that it's "better" to live as a woman. In fact it's harder, more expensive, and hard to do with my very male body. It's just that it feels like the way I should live.

I have changed my name to a female name and expect to be referred to by female pronouns. While internally I don't see myself as a woman, I am living as one, and therefore expect to be treated that way by the people around me.

This is my experience, Sigrid. I hope it helps.
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Joanna Dark

I think one of the biggest mistakes people have when going into transition is thinking they won't change from HRT. It can and will change you. How could it not? Your rewiring your entire body and brain. But the real changes come externally. They come from how you are treated. Once you can't pass as male or can pass as female, people will treat you way different and that changes you completely. The way men dismiss you. The way women start looking at you as competition or BFF material can not be underestimated in it's power to change your personality. Remember that. You will most likely become very different. It isn't just loooks and makeup and fashion, it's those little things that multiply and gang up and make you femle. Imo, obviously.
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evecrook

I personally need that kind of change your talking about.
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Ashey

Other than my personal feelings, which are subjective and can't effectively be compared to others, I'd say the big difference is stereotypical gender roles and attributes. I usually say I'm feminine over female because to me, female is biological with the femininity usually assumed. There is such a strong link between sex and gender in the societal collective consciousness that everyone assumes that the two are the same, which is why people don't typically get that that's why transgendered people are the way they are; there IS a difference! So for me, I'm biologically male but feminine gender attributes apply to me more than masculine. And I would say that men can't be women but they can be feminine.

Now getting into the definitions of femininity, you'll probably find a lot of attributes that may or may not fit women, because let's face it, being a woman doesn't automatically make you feminine. FtM's aside, some women just don't fit the definitions for femininity which can include traits that could be considered 'soft' and 'weak', at least in comparison to masculinity. There is also an emphasis on empathy and social interaction. In general, I feel like those things apply to me more than masculinity but do they define me? Well, no. So since it's not biological, and it's not strictly the gender attributes of femininity, then I think what makes me 'the woman that I am' is the fact that I'm not a man. Biologically male (brain structures, etc. aside), but not a man. And I think that gender and gender roles may be dependent on the primary sexes. Some may disagree with me there, especially when it comes to some homosexual couplings. But I think the reason for having a more dominant partner in a relationship is a derivative of heterosexual relationships. It's much like how you can't have night without day, or vice versa. Without a different frame of reference, it becomes the norm. So I think comparing myself to a man, I can see that that's not what I am. We have different gender roles for the different sexes and so we have to fit into one category or the other. And with my feminine leanings and lack of manliness, the obvious choice in our gender binary society is that I'm female. Since my biology doesn't and can't match, I just try to make my appearance match as best as I can. If anything it makes that discriminatory comparison that much easier for myself and others. Not only will my behaviors differ from men but so will my appearance.

I also want to point out that I can relate more to women, perhaps because they compare themselves to men as well, and I'm more on their side. I feel the same resentment towards sexism from men that women feel, I think because misogynistic men (and really most men in general) will put down feminine males at least as much as any other woman. So I feel like there's a solidarity there, and another clear sign that I don't belong in the 'boy's club'. I personally feel empowered thinking of myself as a woman who works with machinery, computers, technology, and her hands in general, because I can indulge in typically masculine activities while maintaining and even asserting my femininity. Some might see me as a male who likes some typically male things, but my femininity and rejection of masculinity is what makes all the difference to me.
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JLT1

Quote from: Sigrid on November 15, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
I have a question I have been struggling with. What does it mean to be female?


This was from my first post on Susan's, almost one year ago....

"I'm trying, for the first time in my life, to figure out who I am and even what I am. Seems strange to do this at my age but I'm the consummate people pleaser, which I think comes from being raised on a small resort and taking care of customers. The customers paid the bills so they needed to be happy. So I've spent my life making the people around me happy. Their happiness didn't necessarily include my happiness.
Anyway, I'm married to a good woman who loves me and whom I love. We never had children because I can't but she had two from a previous marriage and I love them both (plus the four grand kids). I have a great job that I like, that pays really well and I work with a fun bunch of people. Great home, nice truck, some money in the bank. I also now own that family resort (although I now have managers to run it). I actually managed to get most of "the dream"......About being male or female, I think about my sexuality perhaps a little differently than what I've been reading or seeing (although I thank everyone for posts – it helps so much). When I put on a man's suit I am also putting on a persona – arrogant, dominant, looking good. When I put on male work clothes, I am ready to get dirty, focused on the task at hand, focused on getting thinks done. When I put on work out clothes, I work out hard, strong. But none of these persona are me. When I put on woman's clothes, I am dressing me, just me. I'm not adopting a persona, I'm just dressing me"

I'll add to that, when I go out, as a woman, I'm just me.  So, what does it mean to me to be female?  It means I get to be me.  I actually get everything that means anything.

Hugs,

Jen

To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Lisa55

Something that has always concerned me with thoughts of transition is when I read comments on fori (Susan's and others) that transitioned girls knew they had always been a woman, I just did not think that, I thought rationally I have male parts, I'm a male just for some reason all my life I have WANTED to be a woman, I was a crossdresser, I was maybe a transsexual, but I wasn't a woman as I didn't FEEL like a woman.

However my world has been rocked by a sudden thought after spending too much time lurking here.  I Identify with many of the traits of those that have gone before, there were the obvious ones, then a thread went into some of the less obvious ones and I felt myself identifying with those too, but I still didn't feel like a woman, until I then thought about fitting in as a male, and realised all my life I have not fully understood my male friends,  I'm into cars, they talk about cars, they talk to me like I should know more, but I feel I have a superficial knowledge sometimes and am relying on their expectations of me to "pass" as a peer, this happens often to me in a variety of situations with male friends where I just don't "get it", But my world rocked when I thought, I don't know if I know what it is like to be a woman, but if I cant identify with other men, then I'm no longer sure I have ever known what it is like to be a male either,  I don't know yet, or have not accepted, that if I no longer know for sure I'm male does that mean I am now joining those girls who knew they were always a woman.

That is where I sit today, I know the answer, its been told to so many others, counselling, but I also know for me to start counselling will be to start transition and I have not accepted that yet.

I'm not sure if I have helped or added to your confusion with my own ramble,
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evecrook

I personally no nothing of cars or sports or generally any topic concerning male conversation. I always hate the sports or care topic because I Know nothing. I know though that to talk
to a therapist doesn't  mean the start of any thing.
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