Navy Seals comparrison

[Katie]

So last night I watched a video on youtube that showed the training of navy Seals. I knew it was hard but I didn't know it was hell. This class started with 80 something men and ended with 17. They literally get the crap beat out of them. Ohhh and did you know that in order for someone to become a Seal they have to complete every step of the process. There is no excuses, there is no half way and I am a seal. It's you finish or your not a seal. If you get hurt your done, you have to do it all over again.

Something dawned on me as I was watching these men subjecting themselves to that hell. I came to realize the ones that passed the training were not like nearly all the people on this planet. As a matter of fact I think if the general public really knew what these guys do they would probably see these men as animals, inhuman, and killers. Otherwise put a lot of negative things.

And then I realized something about these men.

You see these men that are rarer than trans people do what they do with no comments. They don't have activists trying to teach the public how the fact that they are different is normal. They don't try to fight for new rules that make their lives easier. As a matter of fact they just live their lives quietly and do what they do and never ask for any sort of acceptance for the significant deviation from the norm that they are.

In short they own who they are!

So I have to post these questions? Why aren't more trans people like these men in the way they convey themselves to the world? Why cant more trans people just be who they are and not ask for acceptance? Why are so many trans people willing to let themselves be known as different and seen as different when they could otherwise just OWN their lives as any other person on this planet?

I wonder if many trans people realize that if they just did what I have been talking about they would be doing the best form of activism one could ever hope for and they would never even have to open their mouths.

Katie

[Brooke777]

Well, spec ops people choose to be spec ops. Where trans people don't choose to be trans, they just choose to survive.

Spec ops don't have their own country men and women trying to kill them or take away their rights because they are spec ops.

Spec ops people don't get treated as less than human like most trans people do.

Those are just three reasons I see that justifies us fighting for the right to live as who we are.

[Katie]

Ok well lets see here. It has been years since I began transition. Never have I had anyone try to hurt me.

I have never been treated as less than human. On the contrary I have been playing a full contact female sport for five years now. Not had any problems doing so I might add.

Lastly the choices one makes about transitioning and how they portray themselves to the world are choices my dear. Crap most of the transsexuals out there choose to never transition.

I would love to say I am different but then I have known a lot of successful transitioned women and nearly all of them share the same stories as me. Of course most of us learned to OWN our lives like the NAVY Seals.

[kelly_aus]

Some of us do just this - but it seems we are a minority.

I'm just a woman and I live my life as one.. I don't ask for any special considerations becase I also happen to be trans, I just want to live my life.

[Brooke777]

I have never been treated as less than human. On the contrary I have been playing a full contact female sport for five years now. Not had any problems doing so I might add.

Then you are very lucky. I personally have been treated as less than human on many occasions.

Lastly the choices one makes about transitioning and how they portray themselves to the world are choices my dear. Crap most of the transsexuals out there choose to never transition.

That is true, I did choose to transition. For me, it was a choice of suicide or transition. I attempted the former once, and did quite well until they revived me. After which, I choose to go with transition. I guess if I wanted to "own" my life I could have just finished my first attempt. That way I wouldn't have to deal with other people imposing their beliefs onto me. You may no know this, but there are a lot of people out there who do not think highly about the "choice" we make to live. My ex wife is one of them, she has told me several times she wished that she never gave me CPR to bring me back.

I am very glad that things have gone well for you. I like to think that I have had a relatively easy transition as I have only been assaulted a couple of times for being trans. You should count yourself lucky for never having to go through that. But it does seem like you are trying to say that those of us who have faced some sort of persecution are bringing it on ourselves by not "owning" our lives.

[kelly_aus]

I could just as easily say to gay people around the world that I have personally never seen anything bad happen to someone because they were gay, and especially the ones I have seen that have been out and proud.  This doesn't mean that being out and proud is magically going to make them live the same experience that gay people do where I live.  There are people who are still assaulted, killed and jailed just for being out and proud across the world.

I don't think the point Katie was attempting to make was about being 'out and proud'.. It's not what I was talking about. I might be described as 'out and proud' as a lesbian, but being trans? No.. It's a footnote to my life..

[Katie]

Orange take a deep breath and relax. Now I posted several questions you didn't even answer. Instead you just attacked me as you normally do.

So try to stay focused and answer the questions.

[Brooke777]

If you don't mind me asking, have you ever had to make an extremely difficult decision that went against what society deemed acceptable? It is okay if you don't want to post it here, and would rather answer in a PM...or not answer at all.

[Katie]

Brook. I assume your asking me that question. Yes I am years post-op. So yes I went through the whole thing. As a matter of fact I did my transition in Tennessee which is the bible belt. I then moved to Florida where I worked for the state in Fort Lauderdale. That was gay haven and I hated it. I ended up moving again to Central Florida where I have a lot of red necks and thugs that live around me. I like it here just fine.


As far as other places in the world that I cant address. I did meet a gal from Iran when I was in Thailand and she did her transition there. I don't recall her saying it was difficult there. Same with the gal from England. I think for the most part that the people that get a hard time are the ones that don't OWN their lives. If you don't understand what I am saying then take a look at the animal kingdom. The weak get eaten by the strong.

Katie

[Brooke777]

The weak get eaten by the strong.

Just because someone is attached, does not mean they are weak. It is those who have had it the hardest, yet continue to move forward without resentment and anger that are truly strong.

[Katie]

Orange you always attack me silly. Even when other people point out to you in following posts that your not reading what I am writing correctly. Crap you didn't even answer the private message I sent ya so it would appear you simply like to do it in the open. But hey its all good you don't have to agree with me. Its totally ok to ignore the countless trans women that went before you and survived and focus on the very small minority that actually are physically attacked.

Oh by the way I should point out one other thing about the people that are attacked. A lot of them are prostitutes that try to sell themselves to men and then the man beats them when he finds out that's the girl has boy parts. Also all prostitutes are subject to violence on a surprising extent. Of course the activists don't mention that when they write articles about violence against trans people.

[V M]

Time to take a break friends, getting too heated 

Topic locked

Thank you

V M