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Started by kariann330, January 01, 2014, 11:25:46 PM

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amZo

Quote from: Tori on January 02, 2014, 06:06:36 PM
Absolutely amazing!

Especially considering Ruby Ridge happened months before the '92 election and Clinton wasn't inaugurated until Jan of '93.

;)

What's so amazing about it? So I got Ruby Ridge lumped in with Waco. As I say, I don't trust anyone in power and no one should, this just supports that. In both cases our government murdered American citizens including women and children. BTW, I voted for Bill Clinton in '92, but only because I didn't realize he was a narcissistic liar and couldn't help blaming acts of domestic terrorism like the OKC bombing on radio talk show hosts, he deserves crimes being erroneously assigned to him.
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kariann330

Quote from: Nikko on January 03, 2014, 12:28:15 PM
BTW, I voted for Bill Clinton in '92, but only because I didn't realize her was a narcissistic liar.

And if you voted for Obama you got the EXACT same thing minus an intern hiding under his desk.
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Miss_Bungle1991

But all politicians are liars. It's all the same crap but with a different label. Classic divide & conquer tactics and people always fall for it.
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Tori

Quote from: kariann330 on January 03, 2014, 12:32:23 PM
And if you voted for Obama you got the EXACT same thing minus an intern hiding under his desk.

Come on now, he has three more years. That will give you plenty more opportunities to find the intern. :)

But yeah Kariann, that is the type of polarization I was talking about yesterday.

Obama and Clinton are narcissistic liars...

But nothing about arms to Iran, Regan, "Read my lips, no new taxes." Bush senior, "Heckuva job Brownie.", "Iraq has nukes.", "I don't really care where Bin Laden is." (He really said that) Bush Junior?

Here's something funny. The closest America has come to honest presidents in modern history: Ford and Carter... look at how well they did.

Perhaps the job requires a liar and a narcissist.


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amZo

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 03, 2014, 12:39:32 PM
But all politicians are liars. It's all the same crap but with a different label. Classic divide & conquer tactics and people always fall for it.

I believe there are some decent and honest individuals in government on both sides. It's the power structure of both sides that I find intolerable and dangerous. I vote primarily republican these days because they tend to have the more honest individuals. But honesty isn't everything, my favorite politician of all time was James Trafficant (democrat), he went to jail for a good number of years for corruption, but he bashed government so I loved him. Basically he was a criminal who hated government, works for me (but I actually think he got a little railroaded in his conviction...).

Ya Kariann... I deserved it, his lies should've been more obvious. I've stopped letting what I want to be true to affect me any longer, the truth is the truth.
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vlmitchell

*blinks* For reals? With all the difficulties and problems that we have to face as transwomen, *this* is what you're spending worry-time fretting over? I mean, wow.

I plan to take life day by day, build my worth and, should the almost impossible happen, I'll simply leave for more stable countries. I have no overly fond attachment to a particular piece of dirt, nor language, nor anything else meaningless.

All that said, let's face it munchkins, even with the collapse and economic collapse of the Soviet Union, they didn't devolve into Anarchy. At no point in the history of the world has the kind of crazy-bad happened like ya'll are fretting about (not even during the 'dark' ages) without some kind of invasion, natural disaster on a scale impossible to imagine, etc.

This is borrowing trouble, wasting your life, and pointless. Live day by day. Love who you can and get loved in return where you can find it. Build your life and resources but don't spend too much time on this kind of thing.

I'm going to cause friction with this statement but I'll say definitively that fear based political leanings lead to this kind of scarcity/end of world/societal collapse fear with no historical precedent to point to whereby they can show that societal collapse in the modern world is possible.

The most recent and relevant example of societal collapse was the Western Roman Empire (not the whole thing, just West Rome) and that was by foreign invasion, folks.

Spend your life building something, not worrying and kvetching about nothing.

P.S. - I've been quiet about this before but I'm going to start getting uppity about this kind of thing: Leave politics out of this forum, kids. It's a support site. The fact that some of us lean one way and that others lean another is divisive and the ways in which some of you address it creates very bad feelings which makes it harder for us to support each other. If ya'll want to armchair pundit or pontificate about matters gestalt and political, take it to a forum more appropriate for that purpose.
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amZo

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Perhaps the job requires a liar and a narcissist.


Ya, how's that working out for us?

The no new taxes wasn't a lie BTW.
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vlmitchell

I will spam this topic until we move on from the political wankage.
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amZo

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 12:57:35 PM
*blinks* For reals? With all the difficulties and problems that we have to face as transwomen, *this* is what you're spending worry-time fretting over? I mean, wow.

I plan to take life day by day, build my worth and, should the almost impossible happen, I'll simply leave for more stable countries. I have no overly fond attachment to a particular piece of dirt, nor language, nor anything else meaningless.

All that said, let's face it munchkins, even with the collapse and economic collapse of the Soviet Union, they didn't devolve into Anarchy. At no point in the history of the world has the kind of crazy-bad happened like ya'll are fretting about (not even during the 'dark' ages) without some kind of invasion, natural disaster on a scale impossible to imagine, etc.

This is borrowing trouble, wasting your life, and pointless. Live day by day. Love who you can and get loved in return where you can find it. Build your life and resources but don't spend too much time on this kind of thing.

I'm going to cause friction with this statement but I'll say definitively that fear based political leanings lead to this kind of scarcity/end of world/societal collapse fear with no historical precedent to point to whereby they can show that societal collapse in the modern world is possible.

The most recent and relevant example of societal collapse was the Western Roman Empire (not the whole thing, just West Rome) and that was by foreign invasion, folks.

Spend your life building something, not worrying and kvetching about nothing.

P.S. - I've been quiet about this before but I'm going to start getting uppity about this: Leave politics out of this forum, kids. It's a support site. The fact that some of us lean one way and that others lean another is divisive and the ways in which some of you address it creates very bad feelings which makes it harder for us to support each other. If ya'll want to armchair pundit or pontificate about matters gestalt and political, take it to a forum more appropriate for that purpose.

I didn't realize you were a moderator...  ::)

Ok, no discussion of any political leaders in this section, got it. Any other rules you'd like to get across?
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Tori

I do think politics are important to transition.

If a MTF does not trust their political system, it is often because so many of us are at the mercy of politics.

I agree the topic has digressed a bit, but nobody really has their panties in a bunch over it.

It is sad to see so many with so little faith in government, when the government is a trans citizen's ultimate gatekeeper.

Also, the fear of society failing is real. WWII was not too long ago, and it was not a good time to be gay, Jewish, subversive, artistic in most of Eurpoe for many years. It is reasonable to discuss these fears, and why people do or do not feel them.

This topic has more to do with being trans than it may seem on the surface. And again, people have been playing very fair. People with vastly differing opinions.

But... it is common for a thread to end in here once people take exception. I will do my best to stay away from this discussion for a while, in hopes that it rebounds.


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vlmitchell

Quote from: Nikko on January 03, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
I didn't realize you were a moderator...  ::)

Ok, no discussion of any political leaders in this section, got it. Any other rules you'd like to get across?

I'm not a moderator but this violates ToS and is one of the most annoyingly divisive things that happen here. I'm annoyed at it and this is *NOT* the place for that.

Ya'll have other things to be concerned about other than political bashing when coming to a MtF support forum. If you don't agree with that, fine well and good but I'm fairly tired of these kinds of arguments.

Quote from: Tori on January 03, 2014, 01:08:03 PM
I do think politics are important to transition.

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Also, the fear of society failing is real. WWII was not too long ago, and it was not a good time to be gay, Jewish, subversive, artistic in most of Eurpoe for many years. It is reasonable to discuss these fears, and why people do or do not feel them.

I agree that dealing with the specific politics of the moment in regards to transpersons or whatnot is indeed very important and I could pontificate at length about how various political movements, leanings, and beliefs can affect for good or for ill the safety as a group of people like ourselves... BUT... once we devolve into "President X is a <<insert invicitive here>>" or "Anyone who supports Y (person/place/idea/bill/etc.)" then we're just in combative nonsense.
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amZo

QuoteI do think politics are important to transition.

And it invades everything, has for a long time.  What's the big story right now on ESPN regarding the NFL? Is it the Super Bowl? Nope, it's the Minnesota Vikings kicker who is claiming he was released due to his open support for Gay & Lesbian marriage! This kicker is out there calling the owners and staff a bunch of bigots, etc.

People shouldn't be surprised if it occurs here, especially when topics have run their course. Plus, let's not get all high and mighty about content when you enter a Doomsday Prepping topic, LOL..  :D



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Cindy

 :police:
Lets all calm down.

I'm seeing this thread has run its path and will close it if it descends into argument.

Cindy
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RosieD

Well now that's calmed down I shall get on with preparing the tea. Anyone for cake?

Rosie.
Well that was fun! What's next?
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: H, H, H, Honeypot! on January 03, 2014, 04:03:16 PM
Well now that's calmed down I shall get on with preparing the tea. Anyone for cake?

Rosie.

As long it's lemon cake.
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vlmitchell

Hmm. Cake is a bit rich for this time of day. Perhaps just a biscuit?
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 04:05:29 PM
Hmm. Cake is a bit rich for this time of day. Perhaps just a biscuit?

Do you mean a cookie? Or do you mean a Buttermilk Biscuit?
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vlmitchell

It's tea time! Biscuits = Cookie, silly goose.
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Tori

I want to remind you all, this is not the food forum.

(Tori slowly backs away, tongue firmly planted in cheek.)


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vlmitchell

Shh! It's tea time and far more pleasant than what this thread was hijacked from.
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